The Official Fantastic Four Thread

[Roughneck]

I was kinda hoping it would be Reed and Johnny and two folks........or Sue and Johhny and Namor and someone.


Maybe once this comes out Reed and Sue will make another Fantastic Four.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I doubt it. Plus with the movie coming out next year, the old team will be back together sooner then we know it.

 

[Roughneck]

Maybe Alba is just gonna get a hell of a tan...Or she and reed et marrited at the beginnning and Halle Berry and Wesley Snipes step up.

 

[Dread]

So it is official now; no couple paired up before Joe Q's run can survive, only those he pairs up are "canon" and such now.

Reed & Sue were symbolic of "Marvel's first couple", but apparently that is something, like Peter & MJ, that Joe feels is outdated or unrealistic or whatever he and his cabal of editorial gurus believe. Only couples assembled on his watch, like Luke Cage and Bendis-created Jessica Jones, can survive. Same with Ororo and T'Challa. Aside for a random back-up story from MTU #100, circa 1980, these two have had no history, and very rarely interacted. Apparently, Hudlin & Co. felt it would appeal to the sake of diversity to make them a couple instantly...because both are black with ties to Africa (although technically Ororo was born in America and only moved to Africa with her family as a small child, but I guess that is close enough). In fact they had to have an entire mini series to retcon in a past because it was so contrived. That's not natural. Marvel seems to forgotten, most times in comics a couple that gets married is usually one that, in the eyes of their audience, is long overdue for it. Lois & Clark. Scott & Jean. Reed & Sue. Hank & Janet (until their divorce, and, gasp, a divorce didn't make either of them vanish from existance), and yes, even Peter & MJ, who even if you buy Joe Q's claim that it was "just a quickly cobbled mid 80's stunt", they actually had a long backstory together reaching back into the 60's and 70's, something T'Challa and Ororo surely couldn't claim. Hell, the only person she had long lasting romantic ties to was Forge.

So when I see Storm & Black Panther, my first thought isn't "Why the hell do the King & Queen of Wakanda give a crap about fighting with Johnny and Ben, heroes they barely know (least compared to the Avengers and the X-Men, respectively)?" or "I guess Marvel has forgotten that what made the Four unique was them exploring, not being token heroes, since they now have two teams of Avengers again for that".

No, my first thought is, "this is Marvel saying, 'Here is the new First Marvel couple'." And they're a cobbled together stunt far worse than any of the past couples Joe Q seems to bemoan.

Had Black Panther joined the X-Men with Storm or both reteamed on New Avengers, I could buy it. But this just reaks of the sort of "shock 'em" roster shifts that bring us Gilgamesh the Forgotten One.

 

[supermarvelman]

Like I already said I could see T'challa doing it just to help Reed out, and obviously Reed and Sue are gonna stay together. I agree that they just forced T'challa and Storm together just because they are both black, very marketable, and so Storm could boost Black Panthers popularity. But I dont see how you dont atleast see how it makes sense for T'challa to help Reed, in a time of need. I think Storm and Black Panther will last for a while, maybe 2-3 years, but will eventually seperate, like you have already said she really only has romantic ties to Forge, and in the long run thats where I think she will end up.

 

[Dr.Doom]

NO!!!!!

 

[Dread]

Damn.

The irony is that I'm sure this incarnation would sell like gangbusters and the fact that Marvel hasn't tried it again at least means they're not yet a parody of themselves. I mean, technically, half the team are currently Avengers and 3 of them have now been on an Avengers team.

But, think about it, Spider-Man & Wolverine are as hot as ever, Marvel's World's Finest. Ghost Rider is getting a movie and Hulk is hotter than he's been in years thanks to Pak & PLANET HULK/WWH. All four sort of mistrust each other, but none have been F'd over by the others in years. Frankly I'm curious if in some backroom meetings, someone didn't at least suggest those four again.

 

[Tropico]

To me it would be more believable if it was Iron Man and She-Hulk to round out the team. Tony fills out the geek part of the team and would probably be there to keep an eye on things and Shulkie has been part of the team before. If they're bringing in T'Chala and Ororo to make it seem like a family........I don't see it.

It'd make far more sense to bring in Spidey, who WOULD be treated like family, HAS a family and would fill the science post nicely. Considering the stuff that's happening with the Inhumans, putting Crystal on Earth and with people that sympathize with her would be another genius move, IMO.

 

[The Ski Mask]

Great, Black Panther got better things to be than to govern Wakanda...

 

[Brainiac 8]

Well, that is just plain lame-o.

 

[Red Mask]

Damn.

Hey, if these bozos can be in it, then BP and Stm can do better!

Imagine all the funny dialogue they'll be having.

'What's happening, Panther', asks the Thing.
'No time to explain, Grimm,' replies T'Challa,'just follow my plan'.
Grimm turns to Johnny, perplexed,'Gee whiz, he sounds like the old Reed'.

'I thought Richards would have built a training room as sophisticated as the Danger Room', comments Storm.
'He did, but we soon got complaints from our neighbors', answered Ben.
'Especially when Franklin started talking about the dinosaurs. They believed Reed was really making them,' said Johnny.

They are in Reed's lab. Panther comments on the many strange inventions.
'That looks like a transdimensional autodetection alarm,' says the Black Panther.
'Hey! You're the first person to get that right!', says Johnny.

Roberta calls Storm from the lobby,'Ms. Munroe. Al Roker is calling again. He's asking for your predictions on the weather'.
'Again,' gasps Storm in annoyance,'what's wrong with that man?'.

 

[Vanguard07]

Yeah Spiderman would be much better in the FF than T'challa. Nothing against BP, he's one of my faves but he doesnt really have that strong a bond with the FF. It doesnt make sense.
Pete on the other hand is probably Johnny Storm's best friend. Personally i'd say they're as close friends as Reed and Ben were. He'd work perfectly.

 

[supermarvelman]

I dont think the new FF will be dealing with the same things as the Secret Avengers and Peter, Peter wants to directly combat the registration, something I dont think the NFF will be doing.

 

[Vanguard07]

I dont think the new FF will be dealing with the same things as the Secret Avengers and Peter, Peter wants to directly combat the registration, something I dont think the NFF will be doing.

True. I dont really see him joining the FF right now givin what's going on. I'm just saying that he would make a better fit than T'challa or Ororo.

I'd love for Pete to join the FF a couple years down the road though. Once they get Reed and Sue back i mean and just bump it up to the Fantastic Five like they do in so many alternate realities.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah Spiderman would be much better in the FF than T'challa. Nothing against BP, he's one of my faves but he doesnt really have that strong a bond with the FF. It doesnt make sense.
Pete on the other hand is probably Johnny Storm's best friend. Personally i'd say they're as close friends as Reed and Ben were. He'd work perfectly.

technically, the black panther has more ties to the fantastic four than spider-man does. i mean, he debuted in an issue of the ff, and teamed up with them A LOT before and even during his adventures with the avengers.

as for parker being johnny's best friend, i'm going to call foul. and they're definitely no where near as close as ben and reed. that's just incorrect. i suppose they're friends in a loose way, but i always saw spidey and daredevil as closer buds.

 

[Fading]

I agree there are others that would fit in more naturally as fill ins for Reed and Sue until they all get back together. I like BP and Storm, but they do not fit in the F4. They fit in the Avengers, heck I could see BP joining the X-Men as they've had a normal human kinda on the team before, but not the F4.

I'm not going to bash the book as it hasn't even came out, I just think those in power missed the point of the F4 with this incarnation. Knowing things will go back to normal in less than a year makes this not that big of an issue to me, it just means it'll be around a year until I pick up F4 again.

BP and Storm have Earthly obligations, and can't just leave to do a space adventure for weeks at a time on the spot. I have a feeling they'll be restricted to what every other team does, which takes away that distinctive F4 feeling.

 

[Tropico]

i suppose they're friends in a loose way, but i always saw spidey and daredevil as closer buds.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Johnny and Peter are better friends tan Matt and Peter. It's been shown in many of their comics and they even had a mini together.

 

[PhotoJones]

Sorry, but you're wrong. Johnny and Peter are better friends tan Matt and Peter. It's been shown in many of their comics and they even had a mini together.

yeah, and?

so have peter and matt.

to say that the human torch and spider-man are as close as mr. fantastic and the things is just dumb.

that's like saying howard the duck and chamber are as close as luke cage and iron fist.

 

[Tropico]

yeah, and?

so have peter and matt.

to say that the human torch and spider-man are as close as mr. fantastic and the things is just dumb.

that's like saying howard the duck and chamber are as close as luke cage and iron fist.

Really? Spidey and DD had a mini together? Huh, news to me. I only compared Peter's frienship with DD and Torch, BTW. I can never shake those team-ups between DD, Punisher and Spidey. Both DD and Frank were pissed off by Spidey because he didn't take things seriously.

 

[Fading]

I don't feel like digging it up now, but I remember the Spiderman issue before him, Hulk, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider hunted down the F4 before Watcher whisked them away and Thing was scarred. Spiderman said that him and Torch were enemies sometimes, the best of friends others, but always watched out for eachother. I think that speech he made summed it up pretty well (only paraphrased it here out of laziness).

Spiderman has been teaming up, and fighting against Torch long before he met DD. I'd say he's far closer friends with Torch IMO, and would have made a nice addition to the F4 until Reed and Sue came back. I wouldn't say their as close as Reed and Ben, but they are close, they just don't team often enough to see it.

I always figured they probably hung out some occasionally off panel or something, rather than only meeting in costumes. Kind of like how Ben used to play poker with the Wolverine, Beast and a few other hero's.

 

[Ikaris-Eternal]

well, i was around for the first time ben and johnny teamed up with 2 others, and it was not that great. however, bad art and terrible writing didn't help.

i hope this works a little better.

i doubt storm will wind up as a "she-thing" though, so they've got that going for them

 

[Anubis]

I agree there are others that would fit in more naturally as fill ins for Reed and Sue until they all get back together. I like BP and Storm, but they do not fit in the F4. They fit in the Avengers, heck I could see BP joining the X-Men as they've had a normal human kinda on the team before, but not the F4.

I'm not going to bash the book as it hasn't even came out, I just think those in power missed the point of the F4 with this incarnation. Knowing things will go back to normal in less than a year makes this not that big of an issue to me, it just means it'll be around a year until I pick up F4 again.

BP and Storm have Earthly obligations, and can't just leave to do a space adventure for weeks at a time on the spot. I have a feeling they'll be restricted to what every other team does, which takes away that distinctive F4 feeling.

I take it you never read Spider-Man/Human Torch by Dan Slott and Ty Templeton? That established a real close friendship between not just Spidey and Torch, but both families. Maybe they aren't as close as Ben and Reed, but they're damn close. I mean, Spidey showed him his secret ID for christ sakes.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I take it you never read Spider-Man/Human Torch by Dan Slott and Ty Templeton? That established a real close friendship between not just Spidey and Torch, but both families. Maybe they aren't as close as Ben and Reed, but they're damn close. I mean, Spidey showed him his secret ID for christ sakes.

If this was the Ultimate universe, that wouldn't mean *bleep* seeing as everyone but Uncle Ben's seen it.

 

[Mazrim Taim]

Excellent!

thats what i'm thinking.

 

[Anubis]

If this was the Ultimate universe, that wouldn't mean *bleep* seeing as everyone but Uncle Ben's seen it.

Reason #7 why Ultimate Spider-Man blows.