The Official Flash thread

[MadVillainy]

I dropped this after the first issue. I'm not against retconning, but I really don't like the way it's being handled here. I'll be back when someone either cleans up this mess, or chooses to ignore it. It's a little frustrating when there are so many good comics out right now that most fans don't even consider reading, because they're so focused on collecting these big "event" titles...I am 40 years old. I remember Barry Allen as he was before. And his death in Crisis, while tragic, was not earth shattering. He was a very boring character back then. I loved Wally taking over the legacy. Contrary to what TPTB at DC say.... there really is not any reason for Barry to return. Barry is simply NOT what they think he is. He is just as boring as ever. And sadly.... Johns is reinforcing the boredom by writing him as a straight-laced detective who does not compromise on anything in regards to justice. He is black or white. No in between. In other words.... just like he always was before when they killed him off. Yet here DC goes writing him in the same way?


I already don't like Barry.... and his haircut makes him look like a military drop out. Both in terms of character, appearance and attitude.... I don't like him. He has no edge. He has no 'grey'.

In short.... BORING and forgettable. Just whe I thought that no character could get any more boring and useless as Jay Garrick..... we get the "new" Barry Allen. Sad.

Really sad.

At least the zany and entertaining Bart is back to being young again. But Barry is a HUGE dissapointment. He has been back for 5 minutes and I already want him dead again. Lord knows his personality was just as exciting dead as it is when it is alive.

You can't hit it out of the park everytime Johns.

^^^some guy from IGN

But in all seriousness I picked up the first issue and it was alright

 

[Flash Facts]

Since when is Christina a servant of Savitar again. Last I remember she was trying to pull him out of haven to make him suffer.

The Black Flash on the cover of #5 looks horrible.

 

[MadVillainy]

lol its a funny cover tho...

 

[Cosmic]

Blackman, did you mean to add all of that stuff onto my quote, or is that your view of Rebirth?

 

[MadVillainy]

nah, actually I forgot to say those are the thoughts from some guy comment on IGN's Flash: Rebirth 2 review and I agree with him

 

[Cosmic]

Gotcha. I agree with some of that, although I did like Barry as Flash in Pre-Crisis DC.

 

[BrianWilly]

Maaaaannnnn f**k Barry Allen.

 

[MadVillainy]

^^^Lol amen. YOu guys need to talk some sense into the guys in the Flash movie thread. Dudes are delusional

 

[Anubis]

It's slowly becoming the mantra of the Wally West Fans.

 

[sdc10]

Heres an idea for DC, how bout changing up some of the flashes costumes? Its kinda hard to keep track of all of them when they're all wearing the same costume. Also, im not a big fan of Bart coming back either, really cheapens the whole concept of death in the dc universe. I mean its not like Barry where he was gone for 25 years.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It's Hal and Kyle all over again

 

[MadVillainy]

^^^??????

 

[hippie_hunter]

Heres an idea for DC, how bout changing up some of the flashes costumes? Its kinda hard to keep track of all of them when they're all wearing the same costume. Also, im not a big fan of Bart coming back either, really cheapens the whole concept of death in the dc universe. I mean its not like Barry where he was gone for 25 years.

Bart prematurely died. Even though the last issue of the Flash: The Fastest Man Alive was damn good, he shouldn't have died in the first place.

You had Jay be the Flash for 20 years. Then Barry for 30 years. And Wally for 20 years. And then you have Bart for 13 issues. Bullcrap. And Guggenheim was really turning the book around from the mediocrity to averageness that was Bilson and DeMeo.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I liked Bart. I'm glad he got to be the Flash, and now has a chance to step back into Kid Flash. I think it gives him a good opportunity to fall back into his pre-OYL characterization. he's been the Flash and knows what responsibility lies in his future. so he can take this opportunity as Kid Flash to have fun and be immature while he can, before he has to inevitably take the Flash mantle again. but Bart always knew when he had to get serious. so he can still be a major player in the DCU. especially in the Teen Titans, where I think he really belongs.

thats what I would like to see, anyway.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Bringing back Barry cheapens death in DC way more than bringing back Bart. Barry's death was important and mournful, Bart's had one issue and was forgotten.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah, there are important deaths in the DCU that have been undone that really anger me. Jason Todd should've stayed dead in my opinion. and Barry. the DCU was getting along just fine with Barry being dead. there was no need to bring him back at all. except to give Johns the opportunity to do another siver age rebirth.

bart, on the other hand has been a relevant character at LEAST since he joined the Teen Titans. I don't think he should've died in the first place. or aged, for that matter. I like my Kid Flash to be a kid. that's why i'm excited about him being back to his proper age and being back in the yellow.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Jason Todd should've stayed dead more than anyone else. At least Johns has a clear idea of what he wants to do with Barry. Jason's just bounced around from one utterly ludicrous direction to another for years now.

 

[Darthphere]

Black Flash is racist.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Jason Todd should've stayed dead more than anyone else. At least Johns has a clear idea of what he wants to do with Barry. Jason's just bounced around from one utterly ludicrous direction to another for years now.

They should have kept him in the direction that Winick put him in when he was resurrected.

Having him be a multiversal dimensional hopper with a crush on Donna Troy was lame and having him literally take everyone's identity like Nightwing and Batman is stupid as hell (after taking Robin, Red Robin, Nightwing, Red Hood, and Batman, I'm kinda expecting him to be the next Batgirl or something).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That promo pic of the new Batgirl is actually him, several hundred estrogen injections from now.

 

[Darthphere]

Octo-Todd.

 

[CLARKY]

Well, now I don't know about that. I think Barry is a good character, but his death was, in my opinion, probably the most well done death in comic history. It also was hugely significant to not just DC comics, but to comic history. Plus, he was successfully replaced for over 20 years. Of course, personal bias does come into play with that. Some will always like Wally the best and some will always like Barry more. Personally, I think Wally was the better and more interesting character of the two.
To me, bringing back Barry is about the same as Marvel bringing back Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy and making them regular cast members in Spider-Man. Not only is it unneeded, I also think it dulls down the significance of them.

Yeah I agree. Barry was lik Gwen stacy or Uncle Ben. and Wally was not a replacement but a successor. I remember the crap that Dan Didio said about Barry and Wally, something like "I like them both but it is impossible to know Wally if you do not know Barry", just when Dick is supposed to take the mantle of the bat ... It leaves me skeptical ...
Furthermore, Wally has, as you said Teardrop, successfully replaced Barry.
I could keep hoping for the return of Waaly but in the end, oall that I have seen of G.Johns, in interviews, etc ..., is that he plans on the long term and is ready to "face" the Wally West fans complains. So he won't say "hey, that was a mistake" or "let's transform this into a better Wally story". on the long term, nothing is impossible, you can take all the time you want to make everything fits. And that's what G.Johns does, so I suppose in 50 issues, everyone will claim that Barry is the Flash. I'm sure I will agree, but it will certainly be more my brain speaking than my heart. So I do not hope anything, just stop reading the Flash I guess, even if I am pretty sure the stories will be great and clever and exciting. for that I trust G.Johns. But It just erases everything Wally did as THE Flash, all that he did to make the identity his own (and everything DC did to put him in this place).

Anyway, I did not like the last issue very much. It shows Barry like a complete idiot before getting his powers. And I do not dig the my-mom-was-killed thing. And, .. there are some things I'm not sure about : for example : did Barry really die as a saint ? (and in blackest night #0, did Hal die like a sinner with his tombstone destroyed ?!?!). I have read this :
http://absorbascon.blogspot.com/2009/04/flash-back.html
and even if I am not in agreement with everything, I admit I have the impression that G.Johns just lie about some subjects.
Nevertheless, I was completely surprised by the Black Flash thing. And very briefly I thought : if Barry would become the new black Flash THAT would be really unexpected ! But I guess it won't happen.
I still think it is a mistake to bring back Barry Allen, but I'm sure I'll be proven wrong on the long term.

 

[Seibrix]

Problem with Wally is that Dc put too much on his plate. Him being married should have been enough and I think they wrote themselves into a jam and don't know how to write wally in the long term. With that said, I think DC should do with Wally what marvel did with spiderman. Make dealings with evil cosmic beings. That should fix everything.

 

[CLARKY]

DC ... or Johns himself. Wally being married was no problem for me, but the children was an obvious for m of death of the character in my opinion. And it was G.Johns idea.

 

[Kenda Man]

Problem with Wally is that Dc put too much on his plate. Him being married should have been enough and I think they wrote themselves into a jam and don't know how to write wally in the long term. With that said, I think DC should do with Wally what marvel did with spiderman. Make dealings with evil cosmic beings. That should fix everything.

Wally made a deal with a cosmic being way before Spider-Man did with Mephisto. It's alittle something I call recon with Hal "The Spectre" Jordan. Remember when Wally at the end of the trade "BLITZ" wished that no one would know his secret identity as the Flash, and the Spectre granted him the wish, and in return he didn't even realize he was the Flash himself and that led to "Ignition"? It was interesting stuff and The Spectre put in safety locks so that when Wally revealed himself to his friends, they instantly remembered everything about the him being the Flash.

You are right about him having too much on his plate. Family, trying to find a job, saving keystone city, trying-to-find-a -way-to-not-let-his-children-age-too-fast-and-die,etc. He had as many problems as Spider-man, plus a family to take care of. I'm cool with heroes having families, but to age Wally's kids out of nowhere and appearing out of nowhere was a little too fast and wasn't as progressive as I liked.

I'm interested in seeing Professor Zoom return. I know must people don't survive a snapped neck, but I'm pulling for him. I don't want to see ZOOM, Hunter Zolomon, to be the main Reverse Flash for Barry. ZOOM should strictly remain as Wally's enemy, not Barry's.

Anyone else curious to see Barry interacting with the rogues? I'm curious to see how he handles them and I guess they haven't interacted yet because Barry has the death touch as if right now.