The Official Flash Thread

[protocida]

If Green Lantern becomes a success, I can see Warner going for the Flash or Captain Marvel (Maybe both?) for summer 2013.

 

[solidsnake86]

In terms of casting I think that Barry should be somewhere close to 30's, and the actor for Wally should be roughly in his late teens or 20's or so. I've always considered Wally to be the "Peter Parker" of the DC universe, so if they ever do a JL movie and Wally is the Flash in it, he should be the youngest member. In the first Flash movie, Wally could be in high school while Barry is established as being a forensic scientist, and then maybe in the sequel Wally is starting up college. How old they decide to make Wally though, will likely give us some kind of hints as to what role he'd play in a potential trilogy. If they make him just a kid then we can probably forget about seeing him put on the Flash costume, but if he's older then it might be because they are setting up for him to become the Flash later on.

Someone about a page back said something to the effect of "Why would Warner Bros. care about what the Wally fans want in regards to the Flash movie, when the Flash comics rarely even sell 100,000 copies?" Well, if that's the logic, then I don't see why Warner Bros. would care about pleasing any Flash fans. Wally still makes up at least as much of the Flash fandom as Barry does, and if Warner Bros. doesn't care about keeping Wally fans happy then why should they care about the little fanbase that Barry has? They might as well just make up a new character who's a hybrid of both or something like that if they don't even care about the last 20 years of the comic's story.

But your not really paying attention to what some of us are saying or looking at any signs. They obviously went through the trouble of bringing barry back, the untouchable death in comics, do you think that was for fun. Its more then obvious it was a corporate decision to streamline these properties. They've tried for years now to get a flash legacy film off the ground, it hasnt happened. Sure we don't know yet what there going to do, but your reasons for why they should be using wally are just as ridiculous as for why they should use barry. When the flash title is relaunched with barry as the lead, and if things go well that they actually green light a movie, there not going to spend 1 movie on barry and kill him off to pass the torch, at most both will appear.

 

[Octoberist]

But your not really paying attention to what some of us are saying or looking at any signs. They obviously went through the trouble of bringing barry back, the untouchable death in comics, do you think that was for fun. Its more then obvious it was a corporate decision to streamline these properties. They've tried for years now to get a flash legacy film off the ground, it hasnt happened. Sure we don't know yet what there going to do, but your reasons for why they should be using wally are just as ridiculous as for why they should use barry. When the flash title is relaunched with barry as the lead, and if things go well that they actually green light a movie, there not going to spend 1 movie on barry and kill him off to pass the torch, at most both will appear.

you just nail it on the head!

 

[Webhead2006]

yea flash/shazam are the next likely tier characters who will be looked at next. Since both seem to be in a better stand right now then say WW. Then i would figure lobo will get thrown in there too as a smaller end film like hex/losers will be this coming 2010 yr.

 

[Webhead2006]

also thanks flash13 for answering my question if any one knows for sure that would be great. Its something i just been wondering.

 

[Timstuff]

But your not really paying attention to what some of us are saying or looking at any signs. They obviously went through the trouble of bringing barry back, the untouchable death in comics, do you think that was for fun. Its more then obvious it was a corporate decision to streamline these properties. They've tried for years now to get a flash legacy film off the ground, it hasnt happened. Sure we don't know yet what there going to do, but your reasons for why they should be using wally are just as ridiculous as for why they should use barry. When the flash title is relaunched with barry as the lead, and if things go well that they actually green light a movie, there not going to spend 1 movie on barry and kill him off to pass the torch, at most both will appear.

Obviously if they want to start the Flash story at the beginning, they need to start with Barry, and it doesn't make sense to make a movie about a character who is not even alive in the comic book universe. Either they were going to skip Barry in the movies, or bring him back in the comics. They decided to bring him back in the comics. That does NOT however mean that the Flash legacy is being phased out, or that it will be ignored in the movies. It means that they are paving the way to start at the beginning, but it does not mean that they are trying to erase the last 20 years of Flash comics (just as it would appear they are not erasing the 20 years of comics that came before those).

 

[Octoberist]

I see both sides, but I think Solidsnake is right. They're not gonna just toss out Barry in the movie(s) since DC spent so much time and effort to bring him back into continuity.

However, Wally is a great character. I'm thinking he'll play a major role in the movie(s), possibly sharing the spotlight if need be.

On a similar note, I can't see the Green Lantern film adaption doing the 'Emerald Twilight' storyarc, with Hal becoming Parallax and Kyle taking over as the GL of Earth. I think Wally had more going for him as a character than Kyle.

 

[Timstuff]

A comic book is not that hard to produce. And given all the complaints about how Barry's return in comics was handled, I wouldn't give them too much credit in terms of the "time and effort" put into bringing him back. Whether they want to have the Legacy or just throw it out and use Barry, they were going to have to pave the road by showing him in comics at some point.

 

[Micromind]

I posted this in the Wally West casting thread,

I think this is a good combination, for a Flash movie and sequels -

Matthew Bomer = Jay Garrick.

Scott Porter = Barry Allen.

Adam Brody = Wally West

I think in the first movie, the main hero should be Barry, and Jay Garrick should make a cameo appearance.

In the sequel, introduce Wally, but he still should not become flash till the end of that movie.

In the third movie (if that ever happens, it will be most probably a team-up movie like JSA /JLA ) will have two Flashes, and Wally assumes more importance there.)

 

[Mr. Earle]

I just dont get why they brought back Barry. It was a stupid decision. "We know that you guys loved Barry, and he'll always have nostalgia going for him, so lets have a stupid plot where he outraces death to bring him back to life."
I understand that the older guy has won the hearts of the fans, but he's gone and i suppose they got rid of him to rejuvenate the franchise with a new face, and new adventures. Why bring back the old guy, so that you can pull the carpet under Wally's feet?
And its the same thing with Hal in the GL franchise, and how he's supposedly the best of them all. Destroying the world in one day, being the best GL the other. And that's why i love John Stewart. The guy is just badass.

And to be honest, i agree with Timstuff in that Wally is the Spiderman of the DC universe. Especially in the JL where everybody is a veteran, its good to see Wally being the younger guy, always an optimist, lightening things up. I mean, there was a whole JLU episode about why everybody, even the goddamn Batman loves Wally. Its called Flash and Substance and here is a small part of it:
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So if they do a JL movie, i'd vote for Wally. If they do a Flash movie, then i'd like it to be like the first Zorro movie. The old Flash (Barry) passing the torch to the new guy (Wally). You just cant ignore the history of the character, so they shouldnt ignore the previous Flashes. And they should have Jay Garrick there too. He's like a mentor to Wally, and a member of the JSA right? He's a walking legend like Alan Scott.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I see both sides, but I think Solidsnake is right. They're not gonna just toss out Barry in the movie(s) since DC spent so much time and effort to bring him back into continuity.

However, Wally is a great character. I'm thinking he'll play a major role in the movie(s), possibly sharing the spotlight if need be.

On a similar note, I can't see the Green Lantern film adaption doing the 'Emerald Twilight' storyarc, with Hal becoming Parallax and Kyle taking over as the GL of Earth. I think Wally had more going for him as a character than Kyle.

I dont know why they brought Barry back in the comics, but i dont think they did it because he'll be in a movie since they dont know if they ll even make one.
Anyway, the point is that they should pick a character and stay with him. You cant have Barry for a film or two and right when the people get to love him and before they even tell his life story, they change to Wally.
Nor can you have two heroes, sharing the spotlight. Its problematic to have more than 2-3 villains, how could 2 heroes share a movie when the heroes have huge character arcs, etc?

 

[Webhead2006]

i still agree it would be best to start at the begining. With barry, have wally be a supporting player and then over course of the film series(if sucessful that is) he becomes flash at a later point. Cause if you just want to jump right to wally or hell even bart you would have to monkey around with things and switch storylines/characters a bit. I would hate to see them go with a mixture of say wally with barry's traits(jl/jlu) or the other way around, I rather have them develop each character on their own with their right character traits. There is plenty to do with both barry and wally as flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I just dont get why they brought back Barry. It was a stupid decision. "We know that you guys loved Barry, and he'll always have nostalgia going for him, so lets have a stupid plot where he outraces death to bring him back to life."
I understand that the older guy has won the hearts of the fans, but he's gone and i suppose they got rid of him to rejuvenate the franchise with a new face, and new adventures. Why bring back the old guy, so that you can pull the carpet under Wally's feet?
And its the same thing with Hal in the GL franchise, and how he's supposedly the best of them all. Destroying the world in one day, being the best GL the other. And that's why i love John Stewart. The guy is just badass.

And to be honest, i agree with Timstuff in that Wally is the Spiderman of the DC universe. Especially in the JL where everybody is a veteran, its good to see Wally being the younger guy, always an optimist, lightening things up. I mean, there was a whole JLU episode about why everybody, even the goddamn Batman loves Wally. Its called Flash and Substance and here is a small part of it:
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So if they do a JL movie, i'd vote for Wally. If they do a Flash movie, then i'd like it to be like the first Zorro movie. The old Flash (Barry) passing the torch to the new guy (Wally). You just cant ignore the history of the character, so they shouldnt ignore the previous Flashes. And they should have Jay Garrick there too. He's like a mentor to Wally, and a member of the JSA right? He's a walking legend like Alan Scott.

Oh dear God not another person who thinks the JLU Flash is The Flash.

First, the JLU Flash was a combination of Flashes, he had Barry's story, Wally's name and appearance, and Bart's personality, altho NONE of The Flashes have ever been the token "dumb guy" character they made him out to be on JLU, not even bart. And anyone who reads the comics knows that Batman does not get along with Wally and that BARRY is his favorite Flash, he even had a look of disappointment on his face in the JLA issue where Wally and the speed brats returned a couple years back ("I just thought it would be someone else" were his exact words I think, Green Arrow is to Barry as Bats is to Hal I would say, more or less). We already explained why the "Zorro" treatment won't work for Flash (I'll post it again if you didn't read).

JLU John Stewart isn't at all like the comics JS either hate to burst your bubble.

Bringing back Barry was a great decision. It was inevitable I mean c'mon.

 

[flash13]

Bringing back Barry was a good decision but not a great one. Now if only Marvel would bring back Gwen and kill Mary Jane.

 

[Webhead2006]

if i remember they were thinking of doing that when the whole brand new day/one more day events happened. But then they decided against it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh dear God not another person who thinks the JLU Flash is The Flash.

First, the JLU Flash was a combination of Flashes, he had Barry's story, Wally's name and appearance, and Bart's personality, altho NONE of The Flashes have ever been the token "dumb guy" character they made him out to be on JLU, not even bart. And anyone who reads the comics knows that Batman does not get along with Wally and that BARRY is his favorite Flash, he even had a look of disappointment on his face in the JLA issue where Wally and the speed brats returned a couple years back ("I just thought it would be someone else" were his exact words I think, Green Arrow is to Barry as Bats is to Hal I would say, more or less). We already explained why the "Zorro" treatment won't work for Flash (I'll post it again if you didn't read).

JLU John Stewart isn't at all like the comics JS either hate to burst your bubble.

Bringing back Barry was a great decision. It was inevitable I mean c'mon.

Ok, i admit i've only read a few issues with Flash so i wouldnt know much about him. But i know that he and Bats dont get along so well. And i have watched JLU and i liked their version of things. Imho Wally was no token dumb guy, he was simply the spiderman of the show. The younger, less serious, more naive and optimist of the gang, and that episode i referred to earlier showed why even Bats loved him after all they ve been through.
Dont get me wrong, i never said that JLU is the canon version of things, but i liked their take. The comics make Batman too much of an ***hole thinking that it supposedly makes for deeper stories. But it doesnt, its just hack and lazy writing. Most of the time there is no reason for him to behave so badly. Thank god that Morrison took over and lightened him up quite a bit.

So anyway, could you care to write a few sentences about each of the flash'es characters? I know a few things about comics Wally but very little about the previous ones.
And tell me about comics John Stewart. I've only seen him in the Sinestro Wars so i wouldnt know much about his comics version. In JLU he was badass though.

On another note, if you ask me, bringing Barry back was a dumb decision. He's been dead for about a decade (if i am not mistaken) so his death has already sunk in, and here we are with Wally, a great character, who now has a speedster son (so we are already going forward to the future) and BAM Barry is back to pull the carpet under his feet. Imho they re taking advantage of the fans' nostalgia, instead of developing the new guy. Its lazy imho.

Finally, could you point me towards the post that explains why the Zorro treatment wont work? There is no way i can find it in 107 pages.

Bringing back Barry was a good decision but not a great one. Now if only Marvel would bring back Gwen and kill Mary Jane.

You cant be serious.

 

[MadVillainy]

I have yet to see why bringing Barry back is a good decision and whether it was necessary at all but hopefully their gonna develop that in the new Flash book

 

[Webhead2006]

well its only been a few months the character has been back in the land of the living right. Its going to take some time to get everything brought up to speed(pun intended) and get all the characters settled in a new status quo for the flash books.

 

[Drakon]

If I remember right, Barry 'died' in 1985 or so, so he was already dead for 20+ years

 

[flash13]

You cant be serious.

Mary Jane was never a good character in the first place, but her constant Tiger sayings are really starting to get me.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Mary Jane was never a good character in the first place, but her constant Tiger sayings are really starting to get me.

You re like asking for Lois to die so that Clark will be with Lana. I mean... get serious man!

 

[Green Day]

I do not know anything The Flash but they should pick the character that can make th best story.

 

[solidsnake86]

I have yet to see why bringing Barry back is a good decision and whether it was necessary at all but hopefully their gonna develop that in the new Flash book

I just picked your quote because it was the shortest and I think it's clear that bringing Barry back was a corporate decision. The flash title was going down hill fast in the past few years mostly because they couldn't come up with a direction. I like Wally but from a movie perspective and more specifically WB (who let's face facts, if it's not named batman they are scared to make it) it's a huge concept of legacy and frankly convoluted for them. So then u have 2 options Barry Allen with the CSI background or Wally, which one would u pick (And think of it from a non comic book perspective). I think it's pretty obvious what they would choose.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Why is it so hard for them to write a solid story based on the canon characterisation and arc of each character? Why were they about to film a movie about Superman fighting a giant spider, one where he fights a superpowered Lex, and a Superman/Batman one where Clark divorces Lois and all of Batman's supporting cast (Gordon, Robin, Alfred) has died?
Why is it so hard to see what comic book arcs have been successful and base their movies loosely on them like Nolan has done?
Why cant they simply adapt the characters to the big screen without putting them and their stories in a blender to **** them up first?

 

[solidsnake86]

^to be fair they havent screwed this one up yet. Honestly if you were pitching the studio a flash movie, between the two characters Barry's sounds better and why I wouldnt be surprised when he is the main character. Wally's ship sailed with Justice league mortal.