The Official Flash Thread

[Changeling]

Heres part 1 of the Flash tv show pilot! Its GREAT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wO-vdgTOFw

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Dark Riders... they actually seemed intimidating....
We would need something juicier for a movie though..

I posted in a different thread about how cool it would have been if Bruce sent that bullet from TDK to Bary for forensics testing instead of Fox. Provided a Flash movie already existed

Bruce: Thanks. That was quite ... fast!
Barry: Very funny Bruce...

 

[Changeling]

Yeah I hate the Dark Riders. Theyre really badly written...But aside from the AWFUL acting throughout, I reeeallyy enjoy this

 

[Webhead2006]

I still say go with barry for first film, but have wally in the film too in a small role which can then lead to him being flash in second/3rd film. If the gl film does get rolling in the next few months with hal getting the chance of being the first film gl barry should atless get the same treatment.

As for the old tv series, i got the complete series on dvd i watch it from time to time. Pretty good for its time, though i agree there was some things during the series i didnt like but overall a good show.

 

[Lobo]

As much as I LOVE Wally, I concede that the first film should be about Barry. Wally could be there, and take over at the end of the second film.

For villains, I'd go with the Mirror Master.

 

[Lobo]

hey guys, give me 10-15 names, and I'll put a Flash casting poll up.

 

[Changeling]

Neil Patrick Harris
Scott Porter
James Roday
Michael Rosenbaum
Jensen Ackles
Ryan Gosling
Ryan Reynolds
Paul Rudd
Jason Mewes
Shane West
Michael Pitt

 

[The Sarge]

I was surprised to ind that I actually liked the Pollux episode. From the description I didn't think I was going to.

And the captain Cold episode was pretty sweet too. Apparently they were going to bring him back for the season 2 premiere but. . . wouldn't he be dead from the freeze ray? Everyone else did. . . well except the flash because he's. . . fast or something.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Wally might fit a tv series better. It could take place after Barry's movies. Like with BOP's tv show the pilot could set up Barry's death. WB definitely has the technology to make this succeed as long as they get the correct talent attached to it in front and behind the camera.

That is exactly how they should do Wally West and the way it would work best, IMO. This way Barry is already well establsihed so if they want to use Wally they actually can and have it make sense, do it right, much closer to how the comics did it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I think Cam Gigandet might be OK as Barry Allen as well:

He's a decent actor, IMO. I know he could play Reverse Flash for sure.

 

[Kevin Smith]

As much as I LOVE Wally, I concede that the first film should be about Barry. Wally could be there, and take over at the end of the second film.

For villains, I'd go with the Mirror Master.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Dark Riders... they actually seemed intimidating....
We would need something juicier for a movie though..

I posted in a different thread about how cool it would have been if Bruce sent that bullet from TDK to Bary for forensics testing instead of Fox. Provided a Flash movie already existed

Bruce: Thanks. That was quite ... fast!
Barry: Very funny Bruce...

That would have been awesome! And it would totally work! Altho I'm glad they showed Bruce using his detective skills more, I was beginning to begrudge Nolan for making Bats a guys who just beats people up.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Wally West is a better character with better storylines and development than "Bland Barry Allen".

Ohhh Hal Jordan is a way better character than Barry Allen. Barry sacrificed himself both to save the multiverse and to save comic book lovers from any more of his boring stories.

You're being completely unfair. Before the "modern age" of comics, ALL the characters were written basically the same way with maybe one slight difference; they were all "bland" by today's standards, including Wally West and Hal Jordan and Batman. In comparison, Barry has very little modern age writing (altho all this will change, thankfully, with Rebirth and the new Flash series because Barry has so much potential, thank God Johns is doing this, he might be the only person who can save Wally from his dead end), while Wally has a run by two of the greatest writers in comics, and has been written mostly in the "modern age" of comics, therefore he benefits from more 3-dimensional writing, even if he is/was written rather whiny. Still, as far as the basics go, Wally's story is still....lame. He was a sidekick, and sidekicks are lame and very uncinematic. He has a Barry Allen rip-off, cheesy origin which is just really hokey to boot. He doesn't have a job or a "human side" like Barry Allen or Hal Jordan (not in terms of character), he's Wally West: full time superhero, been one since he was a little kid. He's a guy pretending to be another guy and that's no fun, especially for the first film where we should be seeing things like the protagonist discovering his powers and messing up before getting it right and creating a name for himself, the hand me down hero thing is kinda lame (but could still work) and would work better later on if at all.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Actually it was Dan DiDio's agenda to bring back Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.

Yes, but it was also Geoff Johns and Grant Morrisson's as well. Even Ethan Van Sciver, John Byrne and Alex ross, as well as many others. But the ring leaders in Barry's comeback are Geoff, Grant, and Didio. Barry FTW!

Kinda odd considering that under his tenure they're replacing Bruce Wayne, possibly replacing Diana, and replaced Orin.

Pisses me off.

 

[The Guard]

I just watched Season One of THE FLASH.

For 1990...not a bad superhero show. It got a lot right, and explored a lot of relevant concepts.

What's the deal with his nephew being "Sean" VS Wally, though?

 

[Kevin Smith]

1) You give the audience so little credit, considering Barry is much like Uncle Ben with superpowers if Wally was to be used

Whoa. Hold on, pal. Barry is waaaaaaaay bigger than just "Uncle ben with superpowers". Wally was already a hero before Barry died, and unlike Parker, Wally is trying to be his uncle and live up to his legend. He also has powers because of Barry and is a hero, both before and after Barry's death, because of Barry. Big difference. But even so, the "dead uncle" thing has been done and would be unwise to do because audiences are so familiar with and love Spider-Man. You can't simply write Barry off in an "uncle ben" type position for the movie, he's more important that and to everything in the DCU. And if they introduced Barry as the definitive/iconic Flash as he is in the comics than new audiences would surely be scratching their heads at the introduction of Wally West so early on.

and that living up to a predecessor/father figure is something most people can identify with. Technically you arnt even introducing Barry, other than he was a superhero who died.

But that sucks. He should get more than a few "poor Barry" sniffles and just being written as "the guy who died" as he is much more than that. And one of the things I always liked about Barry Allen was that he was "simpler" than other characters, without the heavy emotional crap most of them were horking around; he isn't a creature of the night avenging his parents deaths, he isn't the last survivor of a doomed planet, he isn't a warrior sent to teach us the ways of peace from an island of amazons, he isn't trying to make up for the death of his uncle because he feels responsible for it, he's simpler than that: he's The Flash because he knows it's the right thing to do. There was no big emotional, catharsis turnpoint in his life that made him create and put on that suit. He's just an average guy, The Flash is the only "normal" guy in the JLA. I think that in and of itself is an interesting characteristic, and that a more "happy, go lucky" guy would stand out in a good way from other comic book franchises. Also, Barry was a big comics fan, he's doing what almost any comics fan would if he got superpowers, fighting crime in a costume, unlike what a "real world person" would do if they had superpowers, people can watch "Heroes" if they want to see that.

2) Wallys origin excuse has always been ******** because it is such an easy fix. You put Wally at the original "zap" and Barry would have a sidekick from the very beginning.

So Wally is at Barry's lab at the original accident? Why? Barry was working late at night when that happened for his job, why the hell would he have an ten year old with him (he wasn't even engaged yet, let alone having a relationship with Iris West's extended family members)? Even so, while not quite as hokey, it's still almost as hokey that they both got powers from the accident, that "two" lightning bolts would strike and they'd both get super-speed. It makes Barry's origin less poetic as well. And see, unlike Wally, Barry does not need any "adjustments" (none as drastic as a retcon anyway) to be made to his storyarc in order to be adapted to the big screen. It's perfect the way it is and works because Barry Allen is the definitive/iconic Flash, there isn't anything "second-tier" about him. He's on par with the other original, founding members of the JLA, which is why he works best for alternate media interpretations, including the movie.

3) CSI jobs are not hot right now. Maybe a few years ago, but now the actual show is like Law and Order, its on but no ones married to the show anymore, and forensics in general has become a bit of a joke in some shows when cops and criminals make reference to how they have "fancy do-dads" that can find the littlest DNA. For isntance the line in Crash when the guy wouldnt buy the van and he says something along those lines. And every cop spoof has to say "send it to the lab." It was hot like 6-7 years ago.

LOL. Are you serious?

Let's take a look at some popular shows right now:

CSI
Cold Case
Bones
Law & Order
NCIS
Criminal Minds
Silent Witness
Dexter
Waking the Dead

....ALL shows about forensic scientists. Even musician Taylor Swift has gone out of her way to get a spot on an episode of "CSI" (not that that matters). Some of the shows even mix humor with a nice blend of scary, PG-13 stuff, exactly what The Flash film should be.

And I wasn't talking about the show CSI, but the popularity of forensics in culture when I said it was "hot" (as it is) right now.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I just watched Season One of THE FLASH.

For 1990...not a bad superhero show. It got a lot right, and explored a lot of relevant concepts.

What's the deal with his nephew being "Sean" VS Wally, though?

They should have just called him Wally.

 

[Webhead2006]

it wasnt meant to be wally my guess since it wasnt the family member of iris west, who did appear in episode one but broke up with barry. They just decided to give barry a brother and more with his family then other mediums did.

 

[Kevin Smith]

My choice for The Flash (either one)

One of my top choices.

My choices for The Flash/Barry Allen:

Ryan Gosling
Scott Porter
Paul Walker
Jensen Ackles
Cam Gigandet (maybe)
Chad Michael Murray

.....still adding to it.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Whoa. Hold on, pal. Barry is waaaaaaaay bigger than just "Uncle ben with superpowers". Wally was already a hero before Barry died, and unlike Parker, Wally is trying to be his uncle and live up to his legend. He also has powers because of Barry and is a hero, both before and after Barry's death, because of Barry. Big difference. But even so, the "dead uncle" thing has been done and would be unwise to do because audiences are so familiar with and love Spider-Man. You can't simply write Barry off in an "uncle ben" type position for the movie, he's more important that and to everything in the DCU. And if they introduced Barry as the definitive/iconic Flash as he is in the comics than new audiences would surely be scratching their heads at the introduction of Wally West so early on.



But that sucks. He should get more than a few "poor Barry" sniffles and just being written as "the guy who died" as he is much more than that. And one of the things I always liked about Barry Allen was that he was "simpler" than other characters, without the heavy emotional crap most of them were horking around; he isn't a creature of the night avenging his parents deaths, he isn't the last survivor of a doomed planet, he isn't a warrior sent to teach us the ways of peace from an island of amazons, he isn't trying to make up for the death of his uncle because he feels responsible for it, he's simpler than that: he's The Flash because he knows it's the right thing to do. There was no big emotional, catharsis turnpoint in his life that made him create and put on that suit. He's just an average guy, The Flash is the only "normal" guy in the JLA. I think that in and of itself is an interesting characteristic, and that a more "happy, go lucky" guy would stand out in a good way from other comic book franchises. Also, Barry was a big comics fan, he's doing what almost any comics fan would if he got superpowers, fighting crime in a costume, unlike what a "real world person" would do if they had superpowers, people can watch "Heroes" if they want to see that.



So Wally is at Barry's lab at the original accident? Why? Barry was working late at night when that happened for his job, why the hell would he have an ten year old with him (he wasn't even engaged yet, let alone having a relationship with Iris West's extended family members)? Even so, while not quite as hokey, it's still almost as hokey that they both got powers from the accident, that "two" lightning bolts would strike and they'd both get super-speed. It makes Barry's origin less poetic as well. And see, unlike Wally, Barry does not need any "adjustments" (none as drastic as a retcon anyway) to be made to his storyarc in order to be adapted to the big screen. It's perfect the way it is and works because Barry Allen is the definitive/iconic Flash, there isn't anything "second-tier" about him. He's on par with the other original, founding members of the JLA, which is why he works best for alternate media interpretations, including the movie.



LOL. Are you serious?

Let's take a look at some popular shows right now:

CSI
Cold Case
Bones
Law & Order
NCIS
Criminal Minds
Silent Witness
Dexter
Waking the Dead

....ALL shows about forensic scientists. Even musician Taylor Swift has gone out of her way to get a spot on an episode of "CSI" (not that that matters). Some of the shows even mix humor with a nice blend of scary, PG-13 stuff, exactly what The Flash film should be.

And I wasn't talking about the show CSI, but the popularity of forensics in culture when I said it was "hot" (as it is) right now.

Bravo, Fatass.



Bravo.

 

[Lane & Kent]

I think Cam Gigandet might be OK as Barry Allen as well:

He's a decent actor, IMO. I know he could play Reverse Flash for sure.

I think he'd be a good fit for Barry, Great pick Kevin.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Whoa. Hold on, pal. Barry is waaaaaaaay bigger than just "Uncle ben with superpowers". Wally was already a hero before Barry died, and unlike Parker, Wally is trying to be his uncle and live up to his legend. He also has powers because of Barry and is a hero, both before and after Barry's death, because of Barry. Big difference.

sigh. If they go the route of having Wally at first, not in general and only superficially. One of your biggest reason for not having Wally is because he literally takes over for Barry so you think you have to show Barry first, but you dont because his role in a Wally-centric story would basically be at a superficial level Uncle Ben with superpowers thus the audience would understand what was happening regardless of not seeing past adventures of Barry.

But even so, the "dead uncle" thing has been done and would be unwise to do because audiences are so familiar with and love Spider-Man. You can't simply write Barry off in an "uncle ben" type position for the movie, he's more important that and to everything in the DCU. And if they introduced Barry as the definitive/iconic Flash as he is in the comics than new audiences would surely be scratching their heads at the introduction of Wally West so early on.

so is the predictable 3 act origin storyline, but that doesnt stop you from pushing it. But like you said Barry is more than Uncle Ben. You are right, becuase where Spiderman was trying to live up to Uncle Ben by being responsible, Wally has to live up to Barry for himself and everyone else because he is taking Barry's place. Theres a much more direct relationship.

Why? when my entire proposal is based around the drama that comes from a sidekick becoming the hero. Because its a trainee stepping into the shoes of the iconic Flash, which when done properly would be a perfect source of both angst and humor.

But that sucks. He should get more than a few "poor Barry" sniffles and just being written as "the guy who died" as he is much more than that. And one of the things I always liked about Barry Allen was that he was "simpler" than other characters, without the heavy emotional crap most of them were horking around; he isn't a creature of the night avenging his parents deaths, he isn't the last survivor of a doomed planet, he isn't a warrior sent to teach us the ways of peace from an island of amazons, he isn't trying to make up for the death of his uncle because he feels responsible for it, he's simpler than that: he's The Flash because he knows it's the right thing to do. There was no big emotional, catharsis turnpoint in his life that made him create and put on that suit. He's just an average guy, The Flash is the only "normal" guy in the JLA. I think that in and of itself is an interesting characteristic, and that a more "happy, go lucky" guy would stand out in a good way from other comic book franchises. Also, Barry was a big comics fan, he's doing what almost any comics fan would if he got superpowers, fighting crime in a costume, unlike what a "real world person" would do if they had superpowers, people can watch "Heroes" if they want to see that.

I dont dispute that Barry has pros. Never have. But the dynamic of a sidekick becoming the big star has never happened as smoothly as Wally becoming Flash. It is also different from everything else we have seen on comic movies. At this point, I find it far more important to differentiate themselves from past superhero movies and the sidekick dynamic is too good to pass up.

So Wally is at Barry's lab at the original accident? Why? Barry was working late at night when that happened for his job, why the hell would he have an ten year old with him (he wasn't even engaged yet, let alone having a relationship with Iris West's extended family members)? Even so, while not quite as hokey, it's still almost as hokey that they both got powers from the accident, that "two" lightning bolts would strike and they'd both get super-speed. It makes Barry's origin less poetic as well. And see, unlike Wally, Barry does not need any "adjustments" (none as drastic as a retcon anyway) to be made to his storyarc in order to be adapted to the big screen. It's perfect the way it is and works because Barry Allen is the definitive/iconic Flash, there isn't anything "second-tier" about him. He's on par with the other original, founding members of the JLA, which is why he works best for alternate media interpretations, including the movie.

Making changes doesnt take away iconicism especially when adapting to another medium. The original stories are solidified and continued regardless of what the movie does. But when you are given the chance to do something that none other has done before than your run of them mill 3 act origin story, I say go for it. Barry Allen movie doesnt mean its going to be the best Flash movie because its Barry Allen, which seems to be the only reason anyone wants him (because he is Barry Allen). I know you like to call me Wally-biased because I want a Wally movie but Im not. I want the sidekick dynamic. I want that story on the big screen. On a complete superficial tagline level, it carries more emotional and epic potential, than another run of the mill origin story where man gets powers, man wears tights, man stops villain.

LOL. Are you serious?

Let's take a look at some popular shows right now:

CSI
Cold Case
Bones
Law & Order
NCIS
Criminal Minds
Silent Witness
Dexter
Waking the Dead

....ALL shows about forensic scientists. Even musician Taylor Swift has gone out of her way to get a spot on an episode of "CSI" (not that that matters). Some of the shows even mix humor with a nice blend of scary, PG-13 stuff, exactly what The Flash film should be.

And I wasn't talking about the show CSI, but the popularity of forensics in culture when I said it was "hot" (as it is) right now.

I understand that there are a number of shows that take advantage of forensics, but some of these are quite old. Trends change. Forensics was HUGE 3-4 years ago, but it is certainly not the attention grabber it once was. Its not at the point where its tired plot point, but its starting to get close. Its as valid as making someone a cop or a doctor or a lawyer, but there was a time where it could have been the single selling point to project. That time has passed. It is not the crutch that people continue to claim it is.

 

[Webhead2006]

well if they did barry which is the most likely one to get film since he will be back in comics this year. would u want them to change his day job for no good reason.

 

[Lane & Kent]

One of my top choices.

My choices for The Flash/Barry Allen:

Ryan Gosling
Scott Porter
Paul Walker
Jensen Ackles
Cam Gigandet (maybe)
Chad Michael Murray

.....still adding to it.

He my top pick for Barry with Scott Porter as my second choice. Scott's also my top pick for Hal.

P.S Does anyone have a pic of Walter West without his mask on.

 

[Changeling]

Wait Wally West or someone named Walter West?