The Official Flash Thread

[MadVillainy]

Now people might disagree with this (well one person in particular ) but IMO it is because Wally had/has the superior character development and personality but he does not fit into the cookie cutter superhero model.

See I agree with you there. In that case why dont they just make it straight Wally.

I mean even though I like Wally alot more, Barry has gotten shafted in The Flash adaption save for The New Frontier DTV

Like in the Mortal Kombat vs DC game. Creators say its Barry but in appearance and hometown its Wally. Why didnt they just name him Wally

 

[Flash Facts]

See I agree with you there. In that case why dont they just make it straight Wally.

Well I guess because then they could use typical cookie cutter stories.

I mean even though I like Wally alot more, Barry has gotten shafted in The Flash adaption save for The New Frontier DTV

Like in the Mortal Kombat vs DC game. Creators say its Barry but in appearance and hometown its Wally. Why didnt they just name him Wally

My guess is because the designer designed him to be Wally but DC made them change it last minute to be Barry because Barry was returning. IIRC he still has green eyes.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think we can agree to disagree here. Unless you think I'm talking about the Barry Allen we know now, cause then yeah, no thanks.

Even though this is for another thread I think it would be bad to put Barry in a Flash film as the main Flash

Unlike Hal, Barry has been dead for 20 odd years and because of his death which was well written and had more impact of Jay Garrick, Wally West, and to an extent Bart Allen. Also Wally is liked alot more by fans. The only benefit I see to putting Barry as the Main Flash is to keep with the silver age casting of Hal Jordan

but yeah agree to disagree

From another thread

 

[Drakon]

My thoughts are this:

Barry shouldn't have been brought back in the first place. He died well, it served a purpose, and had thusfar did the impossible and stayed dead. He was a hero.

Would I prefer Wally for a movie? I think so, in the end, because I like his smartass nature, and over the last 20 years or so he held onto the whole show, while showing Barry the respect he deserved.

However, without Barry, to me, Wally is just a guy who runs fast. There's a scene in particular in "Archer's Quest" where Roy and Wally are having a standoff in front of Barry's Memorial, which really spoke volumes to me.

And, [allow me to market for a second], if they're bringing back Barry, to a lot of new fans [read: only watched DCAU stuff], this guy is new completely. Having him in the movie, gives them background to another character. A percentage of those people will be like "Who the hell is Barry Allen? Let me read and find out". New readers are new revenue, and more money means more potential movies.

 

[MadVillainy]

My thoughts are this:

Barry shouldn't have been brought back in the first place. He died well, it served a purpose, and had thusfar did the impossible and stayed dead. He was a hero.

Would I prefer Wally for a movie? I think so, in the end, because I like his smartass nature, and over the last 20 years or so he held onto the whole show, while showing Barry the respect he deserved.

However, without Barry, to me, Wally is just a guy who runs fast. There's a scene in particular in "Archer's Quest" where Roy and Wally are having a standoff in front of Barry's Memorial, which really spoke volumes to me.

And, [allow me to market for a second], if they're bringing back Barry, to a lot of new fans [read: only watched DCAU stuff], this guy is new completely. Having him in the movie, gives them background to another character. A percentage of those people will be like "Who the hell is Barry Allen? Let me read and find out". New readers are new revenue, and more money means more potential movies.

Very valid points, but I think its the fact that Barry is so important is why Wally should be put in.

Its hard to explain, but I just think it would be more interesting to see how a dead hero has such of an effect on his friends and wife who are still living. Kind of like Comedian in Watchmen, hes important to the story but alot of the book/film have to do with how his death effected others who knew him.

But they shouldnt ignore Barry like they did in the DCAU. Have Barry be a driving factor in Wally's life. Open up the movie at Barry's funeral, a couple days after the funeral, seeing Barry die, or even Wally discovering Barry dead. The fact that Wally just lost his father figure, mentor, hero, and best friend would add for an interesting dynamic. As well as him trying to live up to the legacy of Barry.

Also I think Wally switches it up from the usual formula of: some freak accident or epiphany happens then a person decides to become a hero. Which is good

 

[cerealkiller182]

i hope u r insinuating that Wally screwing with the formula is a good thing. Cause IMO it is. Sidekick graduation hasnt been seen yet and should be taken advantage of. General audience is familiar with the traditional superhero template, Wally easily has the most interestin and has most potential of most superhero flicks right now.

 

[MadVillainy]

i hope u r insinuating that Wally screwing with the formula is a good thing. Cause IMO it is. Sidekick graduation hasnt been seen yet and should be taken advantage of. General audience is familiar with the traditional superhero template, Wally easily has the most interestin and has most potential of most superhero flicks right now.

I agree

 

[Drakon]

Very valid points, but I think its the fact that Barry is so important is why Wally should be put in.

Its hard to explain, but I just think it would be more interesting to see how a dead hero has such of an effect on his friends and wife who are still living. Kind of like Comedian in Watchmen, hes important to the story but alot of the book/film have to do with how his death effected others who knew him.

But they shouldnt ignore Barry like they did in the DCAU. Have Barry be a driving factor in Wally's life. Open up the movie at Barry's funeral, a couple days after the funeral, seeing Barry die, or even Wally discovering Barry dead. The fact that Wally just lost his father figure, mentor, hero, and best friend would add for an interesting dynamic. As well as him trying to live up to the legacy of Barry.

Also I think Wally switches it up from the usual formula of: some freak accident or epiphany happens then a person decides to become a hero. Which is good

I'm not saying completely discount Wally, either. I think what would be best would be [and I know I'm going to get flamed like hell for this] a progression similar to Batman Forever's. Introduce Wally early on, he knows about Barry, but have Barry die in the middle of the movie and let Wally take over from there, like avenging a fallen hero kinda thing.

 

[cerealkiller182]

It even go further. Have Barry die in the prologue, and Wally has to deal with it the whole time. And of course, Captain Cold goes free because Barry couldnt make a court date (legitimize the masked vigilante some) and puts together the Rogues as we know them now.

 

[MadVillainy]

Do you mean prolouge?

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i said it before with these heros that have had multiple folks behind the mask it makes it so much tougher to pick which one deverses to be used in any potential live action form. I am still in the mind set it should be barry in first film, but also include wally in the film maybe even show him getting speed powers also. But leave him becoming flash to 2nd film. But if flash does ever get off the dam ground i hope they make a good decision and dont alienate barry or wally fans.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Do you mean prolouge?

Yes, very dumb of me

 

[Webhead2006]

So whats does folks here think of RR getting the hal role when a good majority of us wanted him for flash.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I moved on from him not being Flash a long time ago.

 

[Octoberist]

same here.

 

[Changeling]

Me three!

 

[Flash Facts]

I think it may affect my immersion in the GL movie. When I see Reynolds I see Flash not GL.

 

[Prison Mike]

I like Reynolds a lot and am glad he got the GL role but I REALLY wanted to see him as Wally West.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Never really SAW Flash in Reynolds just new he could handle the performance. By the time he was seriously being considered he was much less leaner and had much darker hair than he once had.. I think the evolution of his career has certainly "bred" him for Green Lantern at this point much more than Flash

 

[Dog Brother #1]

Just throwing this out there, feel free to throw it back: What if Bradley Cooper was cast as Flash? Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[Octoberist]

i'm starting to think that the Bradley Cooper bandwagon is getting tiresome. I like the dude but man, I'm thinking he's getting TOO MUCH fanboy love.

 

[cerealkiller182]

i'm starting to think that the Bradley Cooper bandwagon is getting tiresome. I like the dude but man, I'm thinking he's getting TOO MUCH fanboy love.

Theres some people who get so much fanboy love they put the Cooper love to shame

 

[Young Superman]

IMO Adam Brody would make an awesome Flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I could see Cooper as Barry. But I think he may be too old. I dunno, is he in Reynolds age range? They need someone compatible with Reynolds' GL for Flash now. Now that they've casted GL (Reynolds is a great choice, I remember suggesting him for Hal and being laughed at by some posters once, BTW :P (I also think he may have made a decent Superman)), we can better cast the Flash.

Barry Allen FTW!

 

[Sub-Zero]

Barry Allen: