The Official Flash Thread

[Kevin Smith]

So it's come down to this now? The last resort of a man with no argument - stupidity. Thanks for proving my point:

Barry is better than Wally in every way. It's quite the other way around: Wally is a poor man's Barry Allen. He's a POSER. That's Barry's costume he's wearing, Wally is a rip-off of Barry Allen and has been from the start.

It's Kyle VS Hal all over again in different clothes...

Later. :-P

 

[MadVillainy]

So it's come down to this now? The last resort of a man with no argument - stupidity. Thanks for proving my point:

Barry is better than Wally in every way. It's quite the other way around: Wally is a poor man's Barry Allen. He's a POSER. That's Barry's costume he's wearing, Wally is a rip-off of Barry Allen and has been from the start.

It's Kyle VS Hal all over again in different clothes...

Later. :-P

Lol

I knew u would be the guy to be sensitive about the pics. I made my argument a whiles back on why Wally is better... so....ya
Barry is like crack I'm glad it died out in the 80s.
Now they bring him back in a crappy series that most fans dont like

He was cool now he just sucks

Currently Barry Allen = FAIL

And the pics are meant to be a joke dont be so sensitive about them

 

[Flash Facts]

I found the first picture amusing but the rest I felt was a little too much.

The response with Obama however, I found HILARIOUS.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean I'm just having a laugh with the Allen fans. There jokes. DOnt get mad get even. Make posters like those for Wally West. I hope their funny

 

[Webhead2006]

well for me being a non fan to the comics and only flash stuff i know is reading online about the characters and the tv show, and animation. I still think starting with barry for a film series would be the right way to go.

 

[Timstuff]

Wally is the fun Flash. He's the kind of guy who will sell tickets and put butts in seats. Barry has always seemed more generic to me. Wally's hammy personality and sense of humor are what attracted me to the Flash character in the first place, which is why I'd prefer they use him over Barry.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Wally is the fun Flash. He's the kind of guy who will sell tickets and put butts in seats. Barry has always seemed more generic to me. Wally's hammy personality and sense of humor are what attracted me to the Flash character in the first place, which is why I'd prefer they use him over Barry.

And that stuff id great plus Wally...........

1) is a sidekick graduate, a story i find both compelling and original at least in comics2film
2) has a whole different brand of justice than Barry. He broke new ground working with the rogues especially Piper who became an ally and trickster who joined the FBI. Again, an aspect of vigilantism not exploited in comics2film yet.

and 3) The audience is smarter than people give them credit. Anyone who thinks Barry should be chosen simply because he was first (even though he wasnt) and he would tell the origin is wasting time. This information does not have to be spoonfed.

 

[Karem-Knight]

So it's come down to this now? The last resort of a man with no argument - stupidity. Thanks for proving my point:

Barry is better than Wally in every way. It's quite the other way around: Wally is a poor man's Barry Allen. He's a POSER. That's Barry's costume he's wearing, Wally is a rip-off of Barry Allen and has been from the start.

It's Kyle VS Hal all over again in different clothes...

Later. :-P

Blackman, I would just like to thank you for brining my de motivator to this part of the boards. And had a good chuckle at yours as well. t:

Kevin, I would like to state that Wally even though similar to Barry costume wise, is a completely different character from Barry Allen. And, you are correct in saying that Wally wouldn't have become the Flash if it wasn't for Barry, does that make him any less of a character? No. In fact, to me and many other fans we feel this makes him an even stronger character in our eyes.

See, one of the main reasons I don't want to see Barry Allen in the next movie is because he seems far to generic in his approach to the superhero genre. I mean, origin movies are great and all, but we are getting that with Green Lantern, Captain America, Thor etc. why not have something more fresh? This is one of the main reasons I think Wally should be the main character.

You can still have Barry Allen in the movie of course, his death being the main reason Wally takes up the mantle of the Flash. In fact, perhaps auidences will find the short time we see Mr. Allen in the film a memorable one in his short but legendary screen time?

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Even if Barry doesn't get a full movie, he needs to be the Flash at some point. If they skip entire characters there's no point in using Hal in the GL movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

And that stuff id great plus Wally...........

1) is a sidekick graduate, a story i find both compelling and original at least in comics2film
2) has a whole different brand of justice than Barry. He broke new ground working with the rogues especially Piper who became an ally and trickster who joined the FBI. Again, an aspect of vigilantism not exploited in comics2film yet.

and 3) The audience is smarter than people give them credit. Anyone who thinks Barry should be chosen simply because he was first (even though he wasnt) and he would tell the origin is wasting time. This information does not have to be spoonfed.

Those are basically some my reasons for wanting Wally that and because hes funnier
and just because we have Hal as GL doesnt mean we need Barry as Flash. In the DCAU Kyle Rayner is the first GL that Superman meets, also John Stewart had more interaction with Wally than Kyle or Hal. So the whole Silver Age thing I think is bogus.

Blackman, I would just like to thank you for brining my de motivator to this part of the boards. And had a good chuckle at yours as well. t:

Kevin, I would like to state that Wally even though similar to Barry costume wise, is a completely different character from Barry Allen. And, you are correct in saying that Wally wouldn't have become the Flash if it wasn't for Barry, does that make him any less of a character? No. In fact, to me and many other fans we feel this makes him an even stronger character in our eyes.

See, one of the main reasons I don't want to see Barry Allen in the next movie is because he seems far to generic in his approach to the superhero genre. I mean, origin movies are great and all, but we are getting that with Green Lantern, Captain America, Thor etc. why not have something more fresh? This is one of the main reasons I think Wally should be the main character.

You can still have Barry Allen in the movie of course, his death being the main reason Wally takes up the mantle of the Flash. In fact, perhaps auidences will find the short time we see Mr. Allen in the film a memorable one in his short but legendary screen time?

co sign. And Kevin Smith is just being sensitive

Even if Barry doesn't get a full movie, he needs to be the Flash at some point. If they skip entire characters there's no point in using Hal in the GL movie.

I respect that. Definetley Barry (played by Peter Krause) should get time in the movie. IMO he should appear in Flash backs or if Wally ever goes to into the speed force

 

[Lane & Kent]

How about Benjamin McKenzie as Barry Allen.

 

[Timstuff]

Next to Batman and Superman, Wally's Flash rounds out my top 3 DC heroes. He's got much more personality than Barry, and I find him to be all around much more likeable. If they're going to do a Flash movie, they should do it about Wally. They could just go the route of the 90's show and Justice League, and have movie Wally be sort of be an amalgamation of the various Flashes, but if they have to keep the Barry fans happy then they could do a story where Barry dies at the beginning, at Wally rises to the occasion and takes his place.

It'd certainly be different for an origin movie to show the torch being passed from one generation of hero to the next, which until now has only been seen in Mask of Zorro and hinted at in Watchmen. It could potentially be a great way to give the movie its own unique flavor, rather than being a typical Spider-Man type flick. Like, what does it mean to take over the hero gig of someone else? What kind of expectations do people have for you, and will you be able to step out of your predecessor's shadow? These are some interesting topics that don't really get addressed in most Superhero flicks, and I think they could be used to the Flash movie's benefit.

Also, if The Flash is established as having been a pre-existing Superhero, we can skip the typical nonsense about the main character having to invent his superhero persona and acquiring a costume. One of the most annoying things about Fantastic 4 (aside from the overall lack of quality) was just how by-the-numbers everything about it was. If Flash has a way to just skip over the questions like "where does he get the costume from?" and stuff like that, it could be to the movie's advantage.

 

[Timstuff]

Given how much talk there's already been about who should play Wally / Barry, I thought of something... Assuming the movie is about Wally, which hot Asian lady should play Linda Park?

 

[Superman]

I like Wally West alot but I voted for Barry Allen for the first movie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Given how much talk there's already been about who should play Wally / Barry, I thought of something... Assuming the movie is about Wally, which hot Asian lady should play Linda Park?

I like Michaela Conlin from bones for it.

 

[MadVillainy]

Linda Park for Linda Park...look it up there is an actress named Linda Park who fits the bill of a good Linda Park

 

[Timstuff]

Linda Park for Linda Park...look it up there is an actress named Linda Park who fits the bill of a good Linda Park

That's actually pretty funny, but seriously I doubt they'd do it... I mean, if they're going to say in the credits "Linda Park as Linda Park," people will think she's playing herself, and that's going to be REALLY confusing... In fact, if she was offered the role, I bet she'd turn it down for that very reason.

 

[MadVillainy]

How would ppl wan tthe film to be tone wise

Bad Boys II (Alot of action and alot of comedy)
Pirates of the Caribbean (Smart comedy good action)
Pineapple Express (straight action-comedy)

I would go for the POTC approach

 

[Timstuff]

Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

[Lane & Kent]

I like Wally West alot but I voted for Barry Allen for the first movie.

agreed

 

[ChickenScratch]

Wally's good but he's not my Flash, it'll always be about Barry ... and Hal.

 

[Timstuff]

Nah... You can't top Wally!

 

[ChickenScratch]

That's fine if that's your opinion, posting a clip from JLA means nothing, Barry mastered the speed force on a level Wally could never even understand.

 

[Flash Facts]

That's a joke right? Barry didn't even know the speed force existed until recently. He probably has showed the least amount of control over it besides Jay.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Lol

That's funny. Post a pic of a guy named Barry.

I knew u would be the guy to be sensitive about the pics. I made my argument a whiles back on why Wally is better...

Your "argument", which I tore to shreds weeks ago, that you still haven't responded to? That argument?



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Originally Posted by Blackman

10 reasons for Wally

1. The Flash of this generation (Been the Flash for about the last 20 years)



That's nothing. Barry was Flash for over thirty years and is adding to it. Wally's worn his costume for the last 20, so what?





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2. Just to reply to your job thing, his job is more relatable to people. One of the first heroes not to have a "cool" job (mechanic)

DC doesn't know what to do with Wally. Wally has been everything. A millionaire, poor, an occasional mechanic, and now he's jobless and has a family to support. DC tried hard to turn him into Barry with the reporter girlfriend and wife, a secret identity and police job, a Kid Flash of his own, his own Zoom, even brought back the original suit sans the belt and Iris, but it didn't work. Enter present situation.





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3. Hes has the weight of a legacy on his shoulder built by two other heroes

He has Barry's legacy, not Jay's. Barry doesn't even have Jay's. The legacy Wally is talking about is clearly Barry's, he's dressed up like Barry, was trained by Barry, is related to Barry, etc. Barry was inspired by Jay. Inspiration and legacy aren't even synonyms.





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4. Is the fastest Flash according to dc database and flash wiki

That's bullcrap. Wally has never surpassed Barry in speed. Wally has never ran over what Barry ran in COIE. And wiki can be edited to say anything you want.





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5. He's funnier and clearly more interesting since most Flash media (tv shows, etc.) have only been Barry Allen by name but have used the mannerisms and personality of Wally

"most Flash media"? Seriously? The REAL Wally West doesn't have a single alternate media appearence that he can call his own. When have they ever delved into the "legacy" and Wally's origin and his history as Kid Flash that makes him so "specia"l?



Let's go through this again:



JL/JLU: Barry Allen in story with Wally West's name and appearance and Bart Allen's personality. They used Barry's story because it's the simplest to "get", i. e., not bogged down by legacy continuity and grew up with Barry/were most familiar with him, they used Wally's name and likenes at the end of season two because he was The Flash in the current comics which were very popular at the time because of Geoff Johns, and they used Bart's impulsive personality because they were originally going to use Impulse in the JLA instead of Flash because they were pitching the series to WB and WB likes mostly kid/teen characters in their shows. When they sold the show to Cartoon Network with a phone call they decided to use The Flash because he's such of a staple in the JLA and because they were doing CN and they don't mind cartoons with more adult protagonists, but they kept the personality so young kids would have someone to identify with.



The Batman: Barry Allen



That's an obvious one. He came from Central City, fought the silver age version of the Mirror Master, the silver age versions of GL, GA, and Hawkman and just about everyone else were used on the show, and Alan Burnett, who produces the show and wrote the episode, is a huge Barry Allen fan. Besides, how could it have been Wally or Bart when Robin who is clearly a child is Dick Grayson, and Grayson is the same age as Wally West/Wally's best friend?



The Flash TV show: Barry Allen with Wally West story elements



Read The Flash Companion. The writers/producers went with Barry for a number of reasons; his origin/job, he was the one they grew up with, and he seemed to have more humor than most of the other DC heroes. That's a direct quote. If you read it you'll see. The Wally elements that were used were Tina McGee and STAR labs because they needed someone for Flash to discuss his powers with and they needed another "pool" for stories. They had the forensics job as a story pool and the STAR labs thing as a story pool. In tv they need as many "story pools" as possible because they have so many episodes, so it's understandable that they did this. The writers put their own spin on a lot of things.



Justice League: The New Frontier: Barry Allen



DC Super Hero Cartoons from the 60s-80s: Barry Allen (Superfriends, the DC Filmation shows, etc)



1970s Legends of the Superpowers tv movie: Barry Allen



Crappy JLA tv show movie: A ****** version of Barry Allen a la "Friends"



So after looking back at that, guess who the creators of these shows find more interesting and accessible to audiences? That's right, Barry Allen.



That said, even if Wally's "mannerisms and personality" were used, what else would you expect? Barry was gone before it became custom to flesh out characters with "personalities" in comics, and has had runs by two of the greatest writers in comics. You're being unfair because Barry never had any of that at the time of any of these shows, yet the creators still used him and/or his story, so what does that say about how great a character he is? They need a great stand alone character and that is Barry Allen.







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6. Their Rogue galleries would be a tie

The Rogues you're talking about are all Barry's Rogues or are derived from them in the same way the suit Wally's wearing is Barry's. How many of Wally's "Rogues", enemies that he didn't "inherit" from Barry or enemies that aren't derived from Barry's Rogues do you know of that are "great" and "iconic" and would be great for a movie? Magenta? Cicada? Tar Pit? Murmur? Girder? Double Down? Peek-a-Boo? Fallout? Brother Grimm? Do any of these guys even compare to Barry's classic Rogues Gallery?



Wally wasn't even allowed to fight any of Barry's Rogues for the longest time because of the stupid DC editorial mandate that "everything old isn't cool". It wasn't until Johns got on the book, Johns, who had read all of the silver age Flash stories and new what great potential the Rogues had that they really got interesting. He brought them all back, even if there were some new faces under the garb like Captain Boomerang and Mirror Master. He really wanted to use Zoom but DC said he couldn't, so he asked if he could create a new Zoom, and so he did. Now Johns has complete access to ALL the characters he wanted to write originally but couldn't and he no longer has to write characters derived from them.





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except Wally's reverse flash (Zoom) isnt some time traveling guy who made it so that when he wears the suit it gives him superspeed.

Neither is Barry's Zoom. He has super speed powers of his own.





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Wally's Zoom is a former friend of Wally and a mentally sick guy who doesnt want to kill Wally, but make him a better hero by giving him a tragedy; he's like a crazed fanboy

Have you ever read any Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash stories? The guy wanted to be Barry Allen. This is very evident especially in Mark Waid's Return of Barry Allen story, which is a great Wally story, and even better Flash story, but a dissappointment if you think the real Barry Allen is back in it lol.





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7. He is more liked by fans. Check the scoreboard here and most other sights (yahoo answers, etc.) and he is more of a fan favorite

Actually, I'm quite impressed by the score boards. I've been watching them since the start, and Barry usually has an average of about 20 or so votes behind Wally. This is very impressive considering half my generation has never read a Barry Allen story and half the people who voted are only familiar with the JL/JLU cartoon (evident especially in the very first post). Barry has been gone for 23 years and we've had 22 years of Wally stories with runs by two great writers with a little Bart, it's amazing that Barry still has this kind of fandom despite being out of public knowledge for so long and Wally being the "better" (sarcasm) and (then)current Flash. I think it speaks volumes about how great the character is, and am proud of the score boards when everthing is considered.





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especially since the mediocre reviews of Flash: Rebirth

"mediocre"? They've been anything but. How about this; Wally's last few issues have been so "mediocre" that no one has reviewed them save a few die hard fans.



Here's some thoughts from major sites that reviewed the book:



IGN has two reviews, one by a Flash fan (7/10 stars) and one by a new reader (9/10). “it has been a while since I’ve read a comic which drew me into the characters and presented the DCU as a living, breathing entity as well as Rebirth #1″



The Absorbascon - “the most important superhero comic book in the last 20 years.”



Comic Book Resources - “it has definitely set up a more interesting character dynamic than Green Lantern ever did. Each Flash is directly vested in the others’ lives, so jealousy and admiration aren’t just convenient personality traits, they’re clearly paving the way for some intense stuff down the road.”



iFanboy Pick of the Week - “The opening pages read like a checklist, addressing everything that needed to be addressed with an efficiency and skill so sleek that I was honestly a little awestruck.”



iFanboy’s kwisdumb - while I might not agree with the return of characters like these, it’s obvious to me that a masterful story is being told here”



Newsarama’s Best Shots Extra - “this is a series that I think is just coming out of first gear, and is going to be revving its way through the next few issues.”



Weekly Comic Book Review - “Geoff Johns creates a strong, compelling narrative of life, post-Crisis for Barry Allen.”



Giant Size Man-Thing: New Comics - “This issue did what it needed to do, which was to help me finally remember which one is Barry and which one is Wally”



Rokk’s Comic Book Revolution - “Johns pulls off plenty of nice character work. It is obvious that Johns loves and understands the various members of the Flash family.”



Pendragon’s Post - “For all the new readers who want to get into The Flash series, and those who love a good detective story, this book is for you.”



Digital College - “Johns is the perfect person to write this book ( and just about every other DC book for the most part). He introduces readers who might be foreign to Barry Allen and gives a brief update on his origin.”



The Source Wall - “My favorite moments come when Barry and Hal meet at the Flash Museum.”



Tpull’s Weekly DC Comics Review - “I could go on, but I won’t. I’ll just say the obvious: best read of the week.”

Bureau 42 - “High Point… ‘The world’s finally catching up.’”



Alternate Reality - “Van Sciver’s art is terrific, and Johns is a master story teller. I think Johns could make the three little pigs into a top ten comic; the guy’s just good at his craft.”



Ain’t It Cool News - “It’s often said that the devil is in the details, but Johns and Van Sciver have proven yet again sometimes the details are the most delectable part of the story.”



And I'll post my review of it sometime as well. "mediocre" deez nuts. This is Geoff Johns, man.







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8. Wally is different. Barry just seems like hes from the average superhero cookie cutter

Yawn. Hear this one all the time. Wally is different because he has great modern age writing. Everyone was cookie cutter once, even Wally and Batman. That said, Wally's origin story is still hokey. So is the Kid Flash stuff. It's not A-List in the same sense as Superman or Batman or GL.





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9. "Wally's personality matches his power. He is youthful even as a father. He works on fast cars, likes to run, he's a racer.

Read what I said about what makes Barry the definitive Flash. He is all about speed. Geoff Johns even said that with Barry at the forefront again, The Flash book will finally be about speed again. Wally is about trying to fill a dead guy's boots. Barry fits The Flash more than anyone.





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Barry Allen is a detective like Elongated Man." I read this on another site and I would have to agree

Barry is a completely different type of detective. He's a forensic scientist, and he's this in his civillain identity. He isn't a "superhero slueth". Remarks like this make me think people have never read a Barry Allen story. The Barry Allen Flash stories were always very science based. The mystery clashed with the science when Barry would be at his day job.



10. His "origin" story is so different from the average superheroes[/quote]



>snicker< Yeah, in the worst way. It's s complete rip off of Barry Allen's. It's a "mini me" version of Barry Allen and that sucks.