The Official Flash Thread

[Mr. Earle]

Thanks a lot Flash Facts.

 

[Timstuff]

6. FORENSICS are COOL

Yeah, so cool!

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[HighFivingMF]

Yeah, so cool!

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[Timstuff]

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[Webhead2006]

yea both your links are not working.

 

[HighFivingMF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qZmLo8qIx4

 

[Timstuff]

I'm not saying forensics isn't interesting, just that I am bored to tears with forensic shows. Also, Barry being a forensic scientist isn't really that relevant to the Flash mythos because they don't really do anything with it. And in a movie, I don't think the audience wants to see the fast-paced action always grind to a halt so Barry can go to the lab and look through some guy's medical records or do a facial reconstruction. There's already a million TV shows where you can see that sort of thing, but if I watch a movie called The Flash, it's because I want to see a guy run really fast.

 

[ChickenScratch]

His forensics not relevant to his being The Flash? Really? I can't tell you how man cases solved by Barry in the lab led to The Flash apprehending the criminal afterwords. Or how his use of science has helped him in many cases .... like even figuring out the rules with how his powers work.

 

[Mr. Earle]

"He tried to run from Justice."
*puts on sunglasses*
"But Justice is faster than light."
YEEEEEAAAAAAH

 

[MadVillainy]

Mr. Earle:
I didnt want to say anything, but I completely cosign what Flash Fact said earlier. With Kevin Smith youre getting a nonsensical and biased POV.

These might help
For brief histories on all Flashes check out this site: http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/

For detailed histories check these out
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_%28New_Earth%29
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Barry_Allen
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wally_West
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Allen


and as for the whole "Forensics Are Cool" point: Thats a real flimsy on why Barry is better. He's better because his civilian job is better? Really? Forensics shows like CSI I mostly hear are guilty pleasures (mostly Miami) and Bones (which I enjoy) is for the characters not the cases

 

[Mr. Earle]

Mr. Earle:
I didnt want to say anything, but I completely cosign what Flash Fact said earlier. With Kevin Smith youre getting a nonsensical and biased POV.

These might help
For brief histories on all Flashes check out this site: http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/

For detailed histories check these out
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_(New_Earth)
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Barry_Allen
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wally_West
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Allen


and as for the whole "Forensics Are Cool" point: Thats a real flimsy on why Barry is better. He's better because his civilian job is better? Really? Forensics shows like CSI I mostly hear are guilty pleasures (mostly Miami) and Bones (which I enjoy) is for the characters not the cases

Thank you very much. And i think you are right, since Smith only underlined the assets of Barry but forgot everything that Wally has done. Like:

Finally breaking through his mental block of replacing Barry Allen, he achieved full speed, only to find himself changing into energy. In the midst of a battle for Keystone, he sacrificed his life and his humanity to save Linda—and became the only person known to return from the other side of the speed barrier. Wally now has a direct connection to the speed force, and subconscious knowledge of new ways to use it, including the ability to lend speed to other objects and people.
Wally now wears a costume made of concentrated speed force energy. Unable to wait for both broken legs to heal and inspired by a then-recent Justice League case, he gained enough control over the speed force to create a costume which would support him and enable him to run despite his injury.

That last paragraph was a bit WTF, but still Wally seems to be a badass Speed Force user.

Basically, reading the reviews of the lives of all the Flashes, i gotta say that their stories are ****ed up. Seriously ****ed up. For example:

Several months into Linda’s first pregnancy, Zoom attacked Linda to “teach” Wally about tragedy first-hand. Linda survived, but the unborn twins did not. In his grief, Wally made a deal with the Spectre to make the world forget who he was, hoping that Wally and Linda would be safe from the Flash’s enemies. What the Spectre did not tell him was that he and Linda would forget as well.
Wally and Linda have since regained their memories, though it took time for them to pick up the pieces of their their life and marriage. Miraculously, a time-travelling rematch with Zoom created a “fissure in time” that restored Linda’s pregnancy, just in time for her to give birth to twins Iris and Jai.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wasn't Batman the one that found out about Wally erasing everybody's memories?

 

[Webhead2006]

well we will have to see how things do if we get into production stage for flash.

 

[MadVillainy]

well we will have to see how things do if we get into production stage for flash.

I think we all know that

 

[flash13]

Wasn't Batman the one that found out about Wally erasing everybody's memories?

Yeah it was Batman, man I miss those days.

 

[Changeling]

I think we all know that

He posts things like that all of the time. It's useless, I think its just to boost post count lol.

I love you anyway Webhead2006!!

 

[Kevin Smith]

Who cares about Barry's job? I mean, sure its cool, but the movie will not be about him examining crime scenes and processing evidence. We ll just see him working there for a few scenes, so what? Is it really that big a factor?

His job is very important to why he became The Flash. And as I said, forensics are in, it doesn't matter whether or not you think they're cool because everyone else does. WB/DC apparently liked the forensics angle too because not only did they give Wally Barry's job on JL/JLU, when they made Bart Flash they had him studying to become a forensics scientist.

Also, Smith said that Wally doesnt have a job and he is a full time superhero. So i have to ask:
1) How does he support his family?
2) How is that interesting? How could they erase his personal life and job?

In Wally's heyday, back when he wasn't the Barry Allen imitator and his stories were comparatively good, his identity was public and he was a millionare. he eventually lost his millions but Wally never had a consistent job because everyone knew he was The Flash, like Fantastic 4. A few years ago when Johns was on the book they mind wiped everyone and gave Wally a secret identity and job as a mechanic (something he'd been doing since he was Kid Flash).

And i think that Smith is wrong when he says that Wally has no supporting characters because he does have Jay and his family as well as his own. But i've only read a few flash comics, so i could be wrong.

His only supporting characters that have had any longevity that HE actually brought to the book are the wife and kids.

 

[Kevin Smith]

He posts things like that all of the time. It's useless, I think its just to boost post count lol.

I love you anyway Webhead2006!!

webhead is awesome, one of the nicest guys here.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Mr. Earle:
I didnt want to say anything, but I completely cosign what Flash Fact said earlier. With Kevin Smith youre getting a nonsensical and biased POV.

Like you've never said anything Wally biased.

And if I said something that was false about Barry Allen, please, point it out and I will take it back. I may be "biased", but everything I said was true.

These might help
For brief histories on all Flashes check out this site: http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/

For detailed histories check these out
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Garrick_(New_Earth)
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Barry_Allen
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wally_West
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Allen


and as for the whole "Forensics Are Cool" point: Thats a real flimsy on why Barry is better. He's better because his civilian job is better? Really? Forensics shows like CSI I mostly hear are guilty pleasures (mostly Miami) and Bones (which I enjoy) is for the characters not the cases

Even if it is a "flimsy" reason for why Barry is better, remember, I gave 17 other reasons for why Barry is better, even you can't deny all of them.

 

[Kevin Smith]

His forensics not relevant to his being The Flash? Really? I can't tell you how man cases solved by Barry in the lab led to The Flash apprehending the criminal afterwords. Or how his use of science has helped him in many cases .... like even figuring out the rules with how his powers work.

 

[solidsnake86]

He posts things like that all of the time. It's useless, I think its just to boost post count lol.

I love you anyway Webhead2006!!

He is a nice guy, but once in a while it wouldnt hurt to actually post an opinion on a topic rather than saying we'll see multiple times in a thread. He must have something that he would like to see.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I have heard many times that Wally is supposedly the faster because he is in touch with Speed Force more than anyone else. Also, i've heard that he once was in a race against a guy with a teleporting machine that would read his mind and teleport him there instantly. Wally run to the end of the universe in that one second it took his opponent to think about it for his machine to work.

When Barry was turned into The Flash the night of the "accident" (the lightning bolt was barry running back thru time to stop the anti-monitor), he created the speed force, so naturally he is more in touch with it. He's the engine of the speed force, with every step he runs he generates it's energy and when the speed force has to get rid of excess energy it hits someone with his sense of justice, which is how Wally West got his powers. Just think...because of Barry Allen, Wally West's lameass rip-off origin actually makes sense!

Anyway, this is like comparing penis sizes

^^ THAT was hilarious. I thank you for an honest laugh from these boards.

I believe that they went from Barry to Wally to rejuvenate the franchise.

Altho they could have done a "Man of Steel" or "Year One" for Barry like they're doing now, yes, they did switch to Wally to rejuvinate the franchise, and now they have brought Barry back to rejuvinate the franchise.

What's the problem with keeping the old villains? Its a simply a new flash against those villains.

there is no problem with the old villains, but until a few years ago, that wasn't how DC editorial saw things. They had the "anything old can't be cool" logic and it was a general rule that Wally would not fight any of the silver age rogues; anything that pertained to Barry's stories were absent from Wally's book. Which was not an entirely bad thing because it was something different...it was just kinda crap. How many of Wally's villains can compare with Capt Cold or Mirror Master?

I counter this shallow arguement with the equally shallow: "but wally's suit is cooler".

Haha. You mean Barry's suit with the arrow pointing to the crotch? Yeah, real original. (that came from Barry's tv show suit, btw...Wally's NEW suit is ok tho).

 

[Kevin Smith]

If you re gonna adapt Wally faithfully, then yeah, you need Barry. Or like i said, they could rewrite.

The retooling defeats the purpose of trying to do that story in the first place.

Nobody dares outshine Hal in a GL comicbook. He even punched the goddamn Batman without using his ring. I can suspend my disbelief but not that much. You dont just punch the goddamn batman.

Batman is my favorite character too, but I have never been a fan of the "batgod". There is no way that Batman can beat everyone all the time and that is part of what appeals to me about him, I liked that moment in the comic, and, if you remember, Batman DID hit him back later.

I can understand that, but after some years there wont be anywhere else to take them and that's where the successors come in. Their stories will remain for anyone who wants to read them. At some point even Bruce will have to pass the mantle. Can you imagine fans in the year 2100 still reading about the goddamn batman catching the goddamn joker and kissing the goddamn catwoman? Goddamn!

LOL! Well, even so, it won't be the "same" Batman, it will be the Batman for that generation, Bruce Wayne with a new spin, and that is a testament to the duration of these characters. I certainly hope THE batman will still be around in the year 2100, new stories that are really the same for an audience that hasn't read them.

From your posts i got the impression that Wally never stepped out of the shadow. I have no problem with Barry so i am not dissing him, and i have no problem with him coming back, as long as that doesnt put Wally in the sidelines.
Remember that Batman Beyond episode that Bruce uses the lazarus pit and becomes middle aged again? Terry said "i am not wearing the robin suit" and i agree with him. Bruce is my favourite superhero but the whole point of Beyond was moving on, so thank god he went back to being old.

I know what you mean, but Wally isn't being sidelined. With Barry back you have a whole other dynamic to make new Wally stories, much better than the corner DC had pained him in with the wife and kids. Barry back is good for everyone.

 

[.: The Cal :.]

Wally West is the best Flash IMO.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Btw, are you the real Kevin Smith?
I am being naive, but who knows, you could be.

haha no. But then again...I just might be. t: