The Official Flash Thread

[Kevin Smith]

^He's not, but he does know his stuff I would like to point out these points from his post. Its some of the most sense someone has spoken on this board.

Thank you, sir.

and this



Its easy as comic book fans to think wally and this legacy business would make a great movie, and it might, but frankly they've been trying to streamline these properties and thats why it will be barry and stay that way.

The CSI angle, with the popularity of those shows and career as a whole over the past 10 year is something that the folks over at DC probably noticed and already had a character which was killed, and thought to themselves, well thats stupid. Its funny how on JL/JLU they gave wally barry's story. Ive said it before but if you went to WB and pitched a movie one on barry and one on wally to an executive who doesnt read comics which do you think they would go for.

exactly.

 

[MadVillainy]

He posts things like that all of the time. It's useless, I think its just to boost post count lol.

I love you anyway Webhead2006!!

He is a nice guy, but once in a while it wouldnt hurt to actually post an opinion on a topic rather than saying we'll see multiple times in a thread. He must have something that he would like to see.

I love Webhead too, hes always cool. I was just baffled on what the point of that post was

Like you've never said anything Wally biased.

And if I said something that was false about Barry Allen, please, point it out and I will take it back. I may be "biased", but everything I said was true.



Even if it is a "flimsy" reason for why Barry is better, remember, I gave 17 other reasons for why Barry is better, even you can't deny all of them.

Hmmm I give opinions on why Wally is better and alot of ppl say why Barry is better the difference is they/we dont write long winded posts that give reasons why Barry is better for silly reasons like "his eyes look better with the suit" or "He's the only Flash with a personal life" (which is just flat out wrong "Forensics are cool"

And no I can't deny all of them, but I can deny the ones that are debatable or just flat out wrong which is about half of them

I mean Octoberist and other members support Barry over Wally but there not ridiculous about it

 

[Kevin Smith]

Hmmm I give opinions on why Wally is better and alot of ppl say why Barry is better the difference is they/we dont write long winded posts that give reasons why Barry is better for silly reasons like "his eyes look better with the suit" or "He's the only Flash with a personal life" (which is just flat out wrong "Forensics are cool"

Perhaps that is because you don't have any good reasons for why Wally is better than Barry and haven't done enough research on what you're talking about. Kinda hard to reason if you have a moot point.

And no I can't deny all of them, but I can deny the ones that are debatable or just flat out wrong which is about half of them

Care to elaborate? Which ones are flat out wrong? And even so, I still have half of them, which is more than you have for Wally.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea guys i am a nice guy, i have nothing against any of you guys. I love posting on the hype. Sure i know alot of times i say the same thing over and over again. But thats the problem when we dont really know what the heck is going to happen with any of these projects like flash, or ww or superman. we are just spiting the same stuff over and over again.

As for flash as i said i dont really know that much on the character. I think its a great character. I have no love or hate to any of the flash's. They all have their good points and their bad points.

Film wise i still think it would be best to start at the begining of flash's which most agree is barry allen/silver age flash. So then we can develop barry as he should be. Include in some way the jay garrick character. Then of course have wally play an important supporting role in first film. So then when it is decided for the character to be the 2nd flash well technically third if they include jay in some way. So that wise each character can be develop fully and there is no worry of merging or mixing traits of one with the other. I dont want to see a mixture flash when each alone is good enough to hold a movie/movie series.

As for villains i dont really know enough about most of them but i would be down with seeing over the course of a film series mirror master, zoom, weather wizard, trickester, and maybe captain boomerange.

 

[MadVillainy]

Perhaps that is because you don't have any good reasons for why Wally is better than Barry and haven't done enough research on what you're talking about. Kinda hard to reason if you have a moot point.

Oh yeah your not biased at all. Honestly youre ridiculous. At least other Barry supporters are opened minded. Other Wally fans are opened minded about Barry.

Care to elaborate? Which ones are flat out wrong? And even so, I still have half of them, which is more than you have for Wally.

Barry is the fastest Flash, Barry is the only Flash with a personal life, Barry Allen is the DEFINITIVE Flash, Barry Allen is in the same league (pardon the pun) as Superman, Batman, and Hal Jordan. (which actually isnt wrong but so is Wally), Barry is awesome (which he is..but isnt really a good point to make in an intelligent argument), who does Wally have, besides wife and kids? Chunk?)

Ill post my reasons why Wally is better later

 

[Mr. Earle]

His job is very important to why he became The Flash. And as I said, forensics are in, it doesn't matter whether or not you think they're cool because everyone else does. WB/DC apparently liked the forensics angle too because not only did they give Wally Barry's job on JL/JLU, when they made Bart Flash they had him studying to become a forensics scientist.

Yeah he got his powers from an accident at his job. I didnt say that it wasnt important, but its going to be a Flash movie, not a CSI movie. So for people saying that CSI is cool, yeah maybe it is, but
1) there are tons of shows with it out there.
2) Its a flash movie so you wont see much CSI, so who cares?

Even if it is a "flimsy" reason for why Barry is better, remember, I gave 17 other reasons for why Barry is better, even you can't deny all of them.

Some of those reasons were as ridiculous as "he has a better eye colour", "he is teh coolest", "he is teh fastest".

webhead is awesome, one of the nicest guys here.

Yes he is a very nice guy, but he often does that. He posts two kinds of posts:
1) Yeah, totally, yeah, i agree, what you say is correct yeah, totally.
2) Who knows how this will go? Who knows what will happen when WB starts production? Who knows, everything might be OK. We dont know what the director will do.

So it gets annoying after a while.

He is a nice guy, but once in a while it wouldnt hurt to actually post an opinion on a topic rather than saying we'll see multiple times in a thread. He must have something that he would like to see.

Agreed.

 

[Mr. Earle]

When Barry was turned into The Flash the night of the "accident" (the lightning bolt was barry running back thru time to stop the anti-monitor), he created the speed force, so naturally he is more in touch with it. He's the engine of the speed force, with every step he runs he generates it's energy and when the speed force has to get rid of excess energy it hits someone with his sense of justice, which is how Wally West got his powers. Just think...because of Barry Allen, Wally West's lameass rip-off origin actually makes sense!

He didnt create the Speed Force. The speed force is like Mount Olympus for Speedsters. It even has its own Speedster death. And its power is infinite, not dependent on Barry charging it.
Also, you seem like a little child in this post with your: "my guy is faster than your guy".
By your logic, Lady Shiva who is a better fighter than Batman is also a better character. I am not saying that you prefer Barry for only this reason, but you re only justifying his superiority with shallow arguements.
In the end, nobody is dissing your guy, dont diss the others' guy.

How many of Wally's villains can compare with Capt Cold or Mirror Master?

Hey man, Ironman has the weakest villains out there but he's currently on his second film. Where is your Flash movie?

Batman is my favorite character too, but I have never been a fan of the "batgod". There is no way that Batman can beat everyone all the time and that is part of what appeals to me about him, I liked that moment in the comic, and, if you remember, Batman DID hit him back later.

All i was saying is that a guy with 5% the martial arts skill punched Batman. If he had done it with his ring i wouldnt have had a problem. As i said, GL books worship Hal, and its not just that he punched Batman.

 

[flash13]

Honestly Barry's suit is kinda lame, I mean the little wings on his boots and his belt design keep from liking it.


Oh, and here are two of Wally's supporting characters that stuck around for awhile.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/chyre.html

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/morillo.html


I just found what I'm getting for Christmas!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...mp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1893905985

 

[flash13]

Here's something interesting I didn't know.

http://speedforce.org/2008/09/mackenzie-ryan/

Mackenzie Ryan: The Flash Who Never Was
Category: Flash History — Kelson

In the previous post I made a joke about Mackenzie Ryan being the new Flash. I should probably explain.

During Crisis on Infinite Earths, DC made the decision to kill Barry Allen before they had figured out how to replace him. Many ideas were suggested, and the one that got the farthest was a proposal by Len Wein and Marv Wolfman for a new character with no link to Barry except the name.

A brief note in Amazing Heroes Preview Special #2 (1986) described the proposal:

* Mackenzie “Mac” Ryan was a lab tech at STAR Labs, linked to established character Jenet Klyburn.
* He was a single father with a daughter between 8 and 12 years old.
* Instead of super-speed, he had the ability to manipulate energy fields (light, sound, etc.)

Ultimately, DC decided to promote Wally West instead. Oddly enough, Mackenzie Ryan actually gets a brief mention in canon, during a phone conversation with Klyburn in The New Teen Titans #19 (written by Marv Wolfman), which gave his daughter’s name as Jamie.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I can't decide whether I want The Weather Wizard or not. First, it could be GREAT, like Day After Tomorrow, but... good. On the other hand, a villain that can lower the temperature would probably make Captain Cold seem pointless. And I love Lenny too damn much!

 

[Octoberist]

Honestly Barry's suit is kinda lame, I mean the little wings on his boots and his belt design keep from liking it.


Oh, and here are two of Wally's supporting characters that stuck around for awhile.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/chyre.html

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/morillo.html


I just found what I'm getting for Christmas!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...mp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1893905985

I might be just ignorant but what's wrong with Barry's out fit? It's the same as Wally's (before Wall's new suit that's coming up) besides the belt design and the other tweaks. But it's the same suit pretty much.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I might be just ignorant but what's wrong with Barry's out fit? It's the same as Wally's (before Wall's new suit that's coming up) besides the belt design and the other tweaks. But it's the same suit pretty much.

One of things I like about Barry's suit more than Wally's is that Barry is in it.

 

[Evil Twin]

I might be just ignorant but what's wrong with Barry's out fit? It's the same as Wally's (before Wall's new suit that's coming up) besides the belt design and the other tweaks. But it's the same suit pretty much.

Kids these days, don't know the difference between old and classic. Infantino's design is one of the best ever.

I actually think the CSI background is important for a movie. The Flash isn't going to be in costume for the whole minutes and having to do an investigation is a good way to keep the focus on the character between the action scenes.

I think it's also good for characters to have investigative abilities as it keeps them proactive rather than reactive.

 

[Octoberist]

it's the same darn suit. only that Barry's suit has straight lightning bolt belt while Wally's belt is a little more stylized. But samthing!

 

[flash13]

I know it's the same suit, but the things that they changed for Wally's outfit (No wings on the boots and different belt design) are what I don't like on Barry's, they could at least take away the wings on the boots.

 

[flash13]

I just want to make myself clear before people start attacking me. I am not saying Infantino's design is bad, it is one of the best ever. I'm just saying that they improved on it with the Wally's redesign, just like Batman's design has been improved upon since his first appearance.

 

[Timstuff]

I don't like the lightning belt on Barry's suit, or the wings on the boots (the boot wings in particular seemed stupid to me).

 

[Changeling]

Wallys new suit is so much better than Barrys

 

[Mr. Earle]

I just want to make myself clear before people start attacking me. I am not saying Infantino's design is bad, it is one of the best ever. I'm just saying that they improved on it with the Wally's redesign, just like Batman's design has been improved upon since his first appearance.

Exactly.

 

[Changeling]

Ok, heres my official opinion. Btw, this Wally vs Barry stuff is getting a little out of hand.

I think Barry should be the Flash in the movie, but only parts of him. I feel like the Flash in the movie should be a combination of Wally and Barry.

Barry things they should keep:

The name.
The job.
His girlfriend.
His origin.

Wally things they should keep:

His personality.
His new costume.
Zoom: I feel like they should use Zoom as Barry's best friend, instead of Wally's

 

[Mr. Earle]

Basically you want the JLU Flash.
I want him too t:

Also, my Larfleeze wants your Hal's green ring. "Ooh, Shiny" is what he said.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Oh yeah your not biased at all. Honestly youre ridiculous. At least other Barry supporters are opened minded. Other Wally fans are opened minded about Barry.

How am I not open minded? I listened to your so called "reasons" for why Wally should be Flash in the film and they didn't hold up.

Barry is the fastest Flash, Barry is the only Flash with a personal life, Barry Allen is the DEFINITIVE Flash, Barry Allen is in the same league (pardon the pun) as Superman, Batman, and Hal Jordan. (which actually isnt wrong but so is Wally), Barry is awesome (which he is..but isnt really a good point to make in an intelligent argument), who does Wally have, besides wife and kids? Chunk?)

Ill post my reasons why Wally is better later

^^ Looking forward to it. Also, please elaborate on [i[why[/i] those were wrong. I gave reasons for a lot of those, they didn't just come out of a vaccum.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yeah he got his powers from an accident at his job. I didnt say that it wasnt important, but its going to be a Flash movie, not a CSI movie. So for people saying that CSI is cool, yeah maybe it is, but

The job is important to why he became the Flash, his sense of justice, etc, not just because it's what he was doing when he got his powers. Jeezus, have you even read any of this ****? He's a cop in and out of his day clothes, naturally, the first thing he's gonna do if he gets powers is use them to help people.

1) there are tons of shows with it out there.

....and not ONE superhero with this job other than Barry. BIG missed opportunity if they do Wally's FF public identity. And, again, forensics are popular, thanks for making my point, another reason for why Barry will get the film.

2) Its a flash movie so you wont see much CSI, so who cares?

The Flash (the REAL Flash ) has always been about science (pseudo science at least), so yeah, you will see a lot of it. A lot of times Barry would become Flash to help solve one of his crimes in the lab, it's a pool for stories and a reason to get him in costume (big part of why they used Barry on the old tv show).

Some of those reasons were as ridiculous as "he has a better eye colour", "he is teh coolest", "he is teh fastest".

Some of that was done tongue in cheek but it's still true. I mean c'mon, blue totally goes better with red and yellow.

 

[Kevin Smith]

He didnt create the Speed Force. The speed force is like Mount Olympus for Speedsters. It even has its own Speedster death. And its power is infinite, not dependent on Barry charging it.

READ. THE. ****ING. COMICS.

There it is. Right there^^!!!

The Flash was always supposed to be heavy on science and they are bringing that back thankfully. So you can take your "mount olympus" and sit it next to santa clause. The speed force is science, and they've just begun to unlock the science behind it, which makes sense because The Flash is supposed to be a science based character and always was until Wally West. Barry creating the speed force and generating it every time he runs not only makes sense and fits perfectly into continuity (hot damn! Geoff Johns is a ****ing genius, he even made sense of Wally West's lameass ripoff origin while enhancing everything else about The Flash) but it also makes sense on a metaphorical level for ANYONE who knows Flash history from a publication standpoint.

Also, you seem like a little child in this post with your: "my guy is faster than your guy".

That reason is on there, oh green poster, because so many times on these threads, it's a reason Wally fans have given for why Wally is "teh best" Flash. It's just there as a reminder that Barry (who ran over 100,000 times the speed of light in COIE) is in fact faster than Wally (whose fastest recorded speed has been just about the speed of light).

By your logic, Lady Shiva who is a better fighter than Batman is also a better character. I am not saying that you prefer Barry for only this reason, but you re only justifying his superiority with shallow arguements.

You know it's been very hard for me not to just call you stupid and point out which comics you should read.

Hey man, Ironman has the weakest villains out there but he's currently on his second film. Where is your Flash movie?

They didn't pick a weak villain for the film, first of all, and can you name any of Wally's villains? Probably not. But you do know Capt Cold, Mirror Master, and Trickster at least, yes?

All i was saying is that a guy with 5% the martial arts skill punched Batman. If he had done it with his ring i wouldnt have had a problem. As i said, GL books worship Hal, and its not just that he punched Batman.

You act like that's impossible to do. Batman tries to anticipate batman, that's one thing he didn't anticipate from "reckless" Hal. And as i said Batman did hit him back...so get over it seriously. And shouldn't the GL books make Hal great? I mean, he is Green Lantern, it is his book. I'd expect him to be awesome in it. Same for Flash. How many times have we seen an otherwise powerful character tossed aside in other books so that books protaganist can save the day? (all those GLs in Superman Last Son for instance or even Flash getting taken out by a third rate villain in the new issue of Robinson's JLA)

 

[Kevin Smith]

Oh, and here are two of Wally's supporting characters that stuck around for awhile.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/chyre.html

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/morillo.html

POLICE SUPPORTING CHARACTERS, back when DC was trying to bring Barry elements into Wally's book. Proving my point again that WB/DC LIKES the police angle and it is something that Wally (and every Flash sans Barry) lacked, but has always been synonymous with Flash. Honestly, Wally is the most inconsistent character in comics.

...and Chyre and Morillo are also a part of Barry's story:

I just found what I'm getting for Christmas!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...mp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1893905985

Yes, definitely pick up that book. It is a must read for anyone who wants to know about The Flash. Lotta good stuff in there, I use it as a reference on these boards with my posts all the time.