The Official Flash Thread

[flash13]

I can think of some Wally villains Cicada, Zoom, Trickster II and Speed Demon.

 

[flash13]

POLICE SUPPORTING CHARACTERS, back when DC was trying to bring barry elements into Wally's book. Proving my point again that WB/DC LIKES the police angle and it is something that Wally lacked. Honestly, Wally is the most inconsistent character in comics.

Yet he came in third on the poll I posted in the Flash Comics thread, below only Batman and Superman

 

[Mr. Earle]

DC's own wiki page doesnt say anywhere that Barry created it. Maybe this version of yours was retconned later. All i know is that its some kind of Speed Valhalla to which Barry and Wally have access and Jay had at some points in his career.

They didn't pick a weak villain for the film, first of all, and can you name any of Wally's villains? Probably not. But you do know Capt Cold, Mirror Master, and Trickster at least, yes?

So that says something about the character himself? I dont think so.

The Flash is supposed to be a science based character and always was until Wally West

Of course its science. He runs so fast but he doesnt create huge drafts of air, nor does he burn out due to friction because he creates a "speed force" that prevents that from happening.
Its so scientific that the new Space Shuttles are using it right now!

And as i said Batman did hit him back...so get over it seriously

I am not ******** that he punched Batman. I just hate that that issue's writter jobbed batman to Hal to make the latter look cooler. And yeah i know that Batman punched him back at that issue that they were fighting that tattoo guy.

And shouldn't the GL books make Hal great? I mean, he is Green Lantern, it is his book. I'd expect him to be awesome in it.

The point is that every other GL and even the Guardians job to him. Its basically the Hal Corps.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Basically you want the JLU Flash.
I want him too t:

yes, WB at one point wanted The Flash to be the "one note jokey" character that the people who think Flash is the JLU guy wanted him to be, this is part of the reason why director Shawn Levy left the project eventually. He said:

“I didn’t know that ‘The Flash’ ever wanted to be about laughs. Even I, and I’m not a profound fanboy, but even I grew up with a certain reverence for Flash,” Levy said. “I didn’t want to find the funny in the lore, so I always erred on the side of doing right by the legend, doing right by the lore of The Flash.”

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/11/1...-he-just-wasnt-right-for-directing-the-flash/

thankfully Johns is producing so we don't have to worry about that now.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Ok, heres my official opinion. Btw, this Wally vs Barry stuff is getting a little out of hand.

I think Barry should be the Flash in the movie, but only parts of him. I feel like the Flash in the movie should be a combination of Wally and Barry.

Barry things they should keep:

The name.
The job.
His girlfriend.
His origin.

Wally things they should keep:

His personality.
His new costume.
Zoom: I feel like they should use Zoom as Barry's best friend, instead of Wally's

why the personality? Barry has a great personality. Pick up Blackest Night or New Frontier or even Final Crisis for a good example. And Thawne is frankly more threatening, scary, and all around evil than Zolomon:

Since Johns, I can actually see them using him as the villain in the first film. It could be a big sci fi, time travel epic, which would make a kickass superhero film, IMO.

 

[Kevin Smith]

DC's own wiki page doesnt say anywhere that Barry created it. Maybe this version of yours was retconned later. All i know is that its some kind of Speed Valhalla to which Barry and Wally have access and Jay had at some points in his career.
So that says something about the character himself? I dont think so.

It's from the most recent series, again, READ THE COMICS.

Did you even read the comic page I posted?

..and be careful what you read on wiki because you can...ya know...edit that. People do it all the time.

Of course its science. He runs so fast but he doesnt create huge drafts of air, nor does he burn out due to friction because he creates a "speed force" that prevents that from happening.
Its so scientific that the new Space Shuttles are using it right now!

It's pseudo science, science fiction, which at least sounds more realistic than the "magic" you made the speed force out to be and better fits The Flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I can think of some Wally villains Cicada, Zoom, Trickster II and Speed Demon.

You forgot Mirror Master 2 and Capt Boomerang 2...but then again, they are also derived from Barry's Rogues Gallery, so nothing really "new and original" has been contributed on Wally's behalf....again. But you are right about Cicada and Speed Demon....but who knows who they are?

 

[Octoberist]

I prefer Zoom over Professor Zoom if they used a Reverse Flash in a movie. Professor Zoom is so...out there.

 

[protocida]

Both are great.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I prefer Zoom over Professor Zoom if they used a Reverse Flash in a movie. Professor Zoom is so...out there.

^^ yeah my thoughts exactly on that. He's just so damn...evil. Like I don't have much sympathy for him. Just obsessed, crazy, scary...gets his jollies outa pushing kids down stairs wtf.

 

[Flash Facts]

Smith you are ridiculous. Those are things that have been very recently retconed into continuity and you are acting as if they have always been true and just being a jerk in general. I'm surprised you have not been banned yet for your constant hostility and multi-posting. I also find your comments quite hypocritical when you are worshiping Jhons in this thread but stating your dislike for his retcons in the comics forum.

Also John's recton of the Speed Force is way less scientific than it used to be. His retcons have been horrible.

 

[The Overlord]

^^ yeah my thoughts exactly on that. He's just so damn...evil. Like I don't have much sympathy for him. Just obsessed, crazy, scary...gets his jollies outa pushing kids down stairs wtf.

Except his time travel origin makes him pretty convoluted.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Smith you are ridiculous. Those are things that have been very recently retconed into continuity and you are acting as if they have always been true and just being a jerk in general.

Maybe people should pick up the comic before they argue about it. That's all I'm saying. Or at least take my word on it if you don't know what you're talking about instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I'm surprised you have not been banned yet for your constant hostility and multi-posting.

Umm...who was I hostile to?

I also find your comments quite hypocritical when you are worshiping Jhons in this thread but stating your dislike for his retcons in the comics forum.

I disliked the one retcon about Barry's past, true, because it conflicted with continuity. That's what I was talking about in the other thread. It isn't bad, it just takes some getting used to and it isn't at all what I was expecting from him. Everything else Johns has done with Flash, GL, etc, has been great, and I love the stuff about the speed force.

Also John's recton of the Speed Force is way less scientific than it used to be. His retcons have been horrible.

how is it less scientific? The Speed force used to be described as a "mystical" thing and now there's an actually explanation for the science behind it. You are just mad because Wally has to share the spotlight.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Except his time travel origin makes him pretty convoluted.

But The Flash has always been heavy on time travel. And now it ties into his origin according to Johns, which is great if they do a film. With Zolomon you not only have to explain who Thawne is, you also have to do his origin, and that would be twice as convulted. t:

 

[The Overlord]

But The Flash has always been heavy on time travel. And now it ties into his origin according to Johns, which is great if they do a film. With Zolomon you not only have to explain who Thawne is, you also have to do his origin, and that would be twice as convulted. t:

Unless you change Zoloman's origin somewhat so it has nothing to do Thawne, in the movie.

You can't make a comic book movie just for comic book geeks, you have make it for the general audience and time travel is fill of pitfalls, the latest terminator movie was a mess because of time travel. Ever heard of KISS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

Convoluted story telling is not good story telling and this time travel stuff would make the movie unnecessarily convoluted and could alienate the general audience.

Plus Professor Zoom time traveling and ruining Flash's life would be so convoluted and would play into a lot of cliches where a villain is behind everything bad in a hero's life, which cause some eyes to roll. That's would ruined the wolverine movie.

 

[Compi716]

why the personality? Barry has a great personality. Pick up Blackest Night or New Frontier or even Final Crisis for a good example. And Thawne is frankly more threatening, scary, and all around evil than Zolomon:

Since Johns, I can actually see them using him as the villain in the first film. It could be a big sci fi, time travel epic, which would make a kickass superhero film, IMO.

I didn't know Barry Allen was having a Batman-style origin reworking.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Unless you change Zoloman's origin somewhat so it has nothing to do Thawne, in the movie.

You can't make a comic book movie just for comic book geeks, you have make it for the general audience and time travel is fill of pitfalls, the latest terminator movie was a mess because of time travel. Ever heard of KISS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

Convoluted story telling is not good story telling and this time travel stuff would make the movie unnecessarily convoluted and could alienate the general audience.

Ever see the new Star Trek? Guess not. That's basically how the time travelling relates to Johns' Flash. (BTW, it was one of the biggest films, both critically and at the BO this year)

 

[Kevin Smith]

I didn't know Barry Allen was having a Batman-style origin reworking.

Not quite the same. His mom was killed, not his dad too. His dad was blamed for the crime. It's like Ultimate Flash or MOS....and it adresses the actual Reverse Flash from the silver age. Like Nero in the new Trek.

 

[The Overlord]

Ever see the new Star Trek? Guess not. That's basically how the time travelling relates to Johns' Flash. (BTW, it was one of the biggest films, both critically and at the BO this year)

Yeah I did Star Trek movie, this completely different to that.

Except Star Trek established a universe where the general audience knows and cares about those characters through several TV shows and 10 movies to get to know these characters, before time travel changed it. That's the difference.

You can't just introduce a character and then try to say their entire past was changed by time travel, that would be total BS. The audience would think its stupid.

 

[Octoberist]

I agree that the origins of Professor Zoom is convoluted and simply very Silver Ageish. It might work in the comics, can't see it working in the movie series.

 

[Webhead2006]

how many zoom guys where there?

 

[Timstuff]

Whichever Zoom / Reverse Flash they use in the movie, I hope that they give him a more unique looking costume than just Flash's with reversed colors. I've always felt like it was boring to see a Superhero fighting an "opposite" version of themselves, when they could at least have given the "opposite" villain a more interesting costume. Technically, "opposite" characters are more like "evil clone" characters, because if Zoom was really Flash's opposite then he should also be really slow.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I didn't know Barry Allen was having a Batman-style origin reworking.

Indeed, what the hell. I think they overloaded him with problems.

 

[Flash Facts]

Maybe people should pick up the comic before they argue about it. That's all I'm saying. Or at least take my word on it if you don't know what you're talking about instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Why should anyone take the word of a fanatic. If you wanted to correct someone there are much better ways then saying "read the **** comic" or posting emoticons and images meant to ridicule their comments. I also don't see you telling Webhead that even though he has admitted numerous times he doesn't know much at all about the Flash, but then again his preference for who the movie should begin with differs from those you chose to curse.

@Webhead I am not trying to insult you I am just using your admitted lack of Flash knowledge to make a point. I apoligize if I offended you.

Umm...who was I hostile to?

Anyone that disagrees with you.

how is it less scientific? The Speed force used to be described as a "mystical" thing and now there's an actually explanation for the science behind it.

Quantum theory, String theory, and the Higgs field could all be used to explain the Speed Force before its retcon. As it stands the Speed Force is another dimension that was created in a chemical explosion full of magic electricity that is added to by the steps of a human being. Explain the science in that.

You are just mad because Wally has to share the spotlight.

No.

 

[Evil Twin]

I'm not worried about the convolutions of time travel, which I fully expect in a Flash movie at some point. Back to the Future is based on those convolutions and there likely will be more Flash backstory at that point by the time you start throwing in time travel wrinkles.

I'm not the biggest Prof. Zoom fan. Frankly, I prefer the regular Rogues, Grodd, and Abra Kadabra to Zoom. And I certainly don't like the idea of elevating him to Flash's #1 villain as I think that's an unnecessary simplification. Not everything has to boil down to Holmes/Moriarty, Batman/Joker, Superman/Luthor simplicity.

That said, I think you can keep Zoom's motivation fairly simple. "I'm your #1 fan." he says with a crazy gleam in his eye. Honestly, I find Zolomon's origins more convoluted.