The Official Flash Thread

[HighFivingMF]

If it's Barry I want the Jay comics fandom in there.

 

[Webhead2006]

flash facts no ill feelings towards you at all.

 

[flash13]

I've said it before and I'll say it again David Goyer's idea for a Flash movie is what I wanted. As much as I like Geoff Johns his Flash movie most likely will be something I don't really care for. In this article from 2008 Goyer basically sums up one of the many reasons why Wally West is such a great character.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/07/news-on-the-fla.html

“The Flash”: “To me, Wally West as the Flash has always been the most-Marvel of all the major DC characters. He’s like Peter Parker. He’s screwed up a lot, he’s overwhelmed. He wasn’t born as the last son of Krypton or some Amazonian princess, he’s a person who just ends up with these powers. He’s not even the first Flash, he’s sort of had this costume passed on to him by Barry Allen, he’s had to live up to this other guy who everybody admired. I like all of that. I don’t think we’ve seen a movie like that, where someone is trying to live up to the legacy of someone who came before him.”

 

[Mr. Earle]

Sounds good to me!

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yeah I did Star Trek movie, this completely different to that.

Except Star Trek established a universe where the general audience knows and cares about those characters through several TV shows and 10 movies to get to know these characters, before time travel changed it. That's the difference.

You can't just introduce a character and then try to say their entire past was changed by time travel, that would be total BS. The audience would think its stupid.

You think the majority of people who saw that new Trek movie were Star Trek fans? The audience can discover the character's past was altered the same time the character does. Most the people buying Flash Rebirth are unfamilar with Barry Allen and the story works fine for them; they just accept it as his past. Even without Prof Zoom being his mom's killer it's still "my mom was murdered and I went into forensics to prove my dad din't do it", which works in a film whether Thawne is the first villain or not.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Whichever Zoom / Reverse Flash they use in the movie, I hope that they give him a more unique looking costume than just Flash's with reversed colors. I've always felt like it was boring to see a Superhero fighting an "opposite" version of themselves, when they could at least have given the "opposite" villain a more interesting costume. Technically, "opposite" characters are more like "evil clone" characters, because if Zoom was really Flash's opposite then he should also be really slow.

yeah I've always thought that.

 

[protocida]

"Star Trek" is a cultural icon. Practically everyone knows it. There are even Comic Book fans who don't know the Flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Why should anyone take the word of a fanatic.

Oh please.

If you wanted to correct someone there are much better ways then saying "read the **** comic" or posting emoticons and images meant to ridicule their comments.

I didn't do any of that at first, it's only when I have to say the same thing multiple times because someone doesn't get it that I get tired of saying it. And I should be "banned" because I...have an opinion and used the emoticons that the forums provide?

I also don't see you telling Webhead that even though he has admitted numerous times he doesn't know much at all about the Flash, but then again his preference for who the movie should begin with differs from those you chose to curse.

Webhead doesn't try and argue about stuff he doesn't know. That's the difference. He doesn't pretend to have an "informed opinion". You can't be angry at me just because I have actually read up on the topic I shoose to talk about and somebody else didn't.

Anyone that disagrees with you.

That isn't true at all.

Quantum theory, String theory, and the Higgs field could all be used to explain the Speed Force before its retcon. As it stands the Speed Force is another dimension that was created in a chemical explosion full of magic electricity that is added to by the steps of a human being. Explain the science in that.

None of it is actual science, but at least now it has an explanation whereas before it did not and just "was". The explanation makes sense to me, altho personally I have never liked the speed force concept; it was a gimmick Waid introduced to make Wally the godflash and now it is being used to make Barry the godflash. Funny how things turn out.

No.

Yes.

 

[Kevin Smith]

"Star Trek" is a cultural icon. Practically everyone knows it. There are even Comic Book fans who don't know the Flash.

The majority of people who saw that movie were unfamiliar with Trek. Are you seriously gonna try and tell me they were all trekkies? They may have heard the name but they were by no means fans. A lot of people may have heard of the Flash but that doesn't mean they know anything about him either. It's just a name and a brand to them.

 

[protocida]

I said they knew "Star Trek", not that they were hard-core fanboys. Not everyone knows the Flash.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Indeed, what the hell. I think they overloaded him with problems.

I frankly dislike that being the reason he went into forensics. There are enough super heroes with deaths in their stories, Barry doesn't have to be one of them. It's become a cliche, IMO. Works tho, but its been done and it isn't what I wanted to see in a Flash story.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I said they knew "Star Trek", not that they were hard-core fanboys. Not everyone knows the Flash.

Not everyone knows of Trek either. hell I know about 20 people who never even heard of it and liked the movie.

 

[Evil Twin]

Whichever Zoom / Reverse Flash they use in the movie, I hope that they give him a more unique looking costume than just Flash's with reversed colors. I've always felt like it was boring to see a Superhero fighting an "opposite" version of themselves, when they could at least have given the "opposite" villain a more interesting costume. Technically, "opposite" characters are more like "evil clone" characters, because if Zoom was really Flash's opposite then he should also be really slow.

As an alternative, you could always pull the parallel universe gambit and pull in the Crime Syndicate's "Johnny Quick". A complete reimagining of "Flash of Two Worlds", basically.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I was thinking about an opening I thought would be cool. It's about Barry, but if you like it, awesome. If you don't like it, thanks for reading anyway.

The film opens with a black and white '30s or '40s-style WB logo and looks exactly like a film from that era. The title card appears THE FLASH and we're treated to small piece of an old movie about Jay Garrick, pan back to reveal little Barry Allen is watching the movie on a VHS. His mother puts him to bed in his room which has a few (I mean few, not overdone to the point where it's everything in the room) pieces of Flash merchandise, a comic on the dresser and maybe an action figure or a pillowcase.

Just a moment I thought would be something warm with which to open the film.

 

[protocida]

Cool.

I had thia idea that Jay is real, and, to cover his and his friends (JSA ) operations during World War II, they made Comic Books about him. So, if anyone saw him, the public's reaction would be "What? You saw a Comic Book character? In real life? Ooookay, then. ".

 

[Kevin Smith]

^^ That's pretty damn nice!

 

[HighFivingMF]

Cool.

I had thia idea that Jay is real, and, to cover his and his friends (JSA ) operations during World War II, they made Comic Books about him. So, if anyone saw him, the public's reaction would be "What? You saw a Comic Book character? In real life? Ooookay, then. ".

I remember reading the "Life Story of Barry Allen" book that was "written by Iris." After Barry discovered Jay, they were running together after Barry told him everything he knew about him and Jay said something along the lines of "You learned all of that from funny books?" That would be pretty awesome on screen.

 

[Kevin Smith]

^^ This is just awesome, btw. I think it would make a great poster for the movie.

 

[Evil Twin]

I've kind of got in mind an opening for a sequel involving Jay. Battling Vandal Savage or The Shade for instance, with the unaged villain coming for revenge against the current Flash in the main part of the movie.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I know I've said it before but this would be a great opening in The Flash movie:

 

[HighFivingMF]

Haha. I was thinking of the flashlight under the sheets and I've never read that. But him reading during a thunder/lightning storm is brilliant.

 

[The Overlord]

You think the majority of people who saw that new Trek movie were Star Trek fans? The audience can discover the character's past was altered the same time the character does. Most the people buying Flash Rebirth are unfamilar with Barry Allen and the story works fine for them; they just accept it as his past. Even without Prof Zoom being his mom's killer it's still "my mom was murdered and I went into forensics to prove my dad din't do it", which works in a film whether Thawne is the first villain or not.

I guess you missed the point that you can't perfectly compare Star trek to the flash. Let me take a page out of your rather silly book:

I would say Star trek has way more cultural impact then Flash ever did. Plus there some set up with time travel in star Trek, you had time travel in some past movies, but you also had movies where they didn't time travel so you got to know the characters before the they introduce time travel, they don't just introduce time travel in the first movie. Why can't I compare Flash to the Terminator which used time travel very poorly in the last film?

I mean there is a lot of time travel in the X-Men comics, but they didn't put that in the movies, are those movies worse off because of the lack of time travel? Would time travel have made X-Men 1 and 2 better?

You don't seem to understand how you make a movie, you have to build up the tension, so if you start off with a time traveling serial killer who ruined the hero's life, where are you supposed to go from there? How do you raise the stakes from that point? Its silly to go to a time traveling serial killer in the first movie and then have a thief with a gimmick in the second , you have the thief in the first movie and then move on to an epic threat. How are they supposed to do Flash's origin and time travel in the first movie? Even in the second movie you don't have years of continuity like you do in the comics, so you can't just use past history to establish Professor Zoom like you do in the past, you have the convoluted time travel origin and then the convoluted time travel plot against Barry Allen, all in one movie. That would be very hard to pull off. Time Travel is a dangerous thing, unless you use it well it can overshadow everything else in a franchise, that's a big damn risk.

Heck I like Zoom better because it would be easier to make him less convoluted and he seems to have way more pathos then Mr. Puppy eater.

You don't seem to get the difference between writing a comic and making a movie.

 

[Mr. Earle]

^^ This is just awesome, btw. I think it would make a great poster for the movie.

I always thought that storing the suit in the ring was a lame idea. But of course Kevin Smith will say that it's scientific.

 

[HighFivingMF]

But of course Kevin Smith will say that it's scientific.

Technically it is scientific. Haha.

 

[MadVillainy]

Time travel I think is a big part of The Flash's mythos. I mean Professor Zoom is from the future, Bart Allen is from the future and will need time travel if they will introduce him (which I would like them to)

With Hunter ZOlomon Zoom they dont need to show actual time travel, but it needs to be alluded to since he knows that Wally can use the Cosmic Treadmill

So I think time travel should show up in some capacity