The Official Flash Thread

[Mr. Earle]

Or they can rewrite all this stuff to write out the time travel. Like how Barry supposedly was the flash that hit him and caused his powers, his wife is from the future, blah blah blah.
Just write it simpler like how the JLU Flash didnt have all this convoluted mess of a story.

 

[MadVillainy]

HOw would you explain Bart Allen

 

[Evil Twin]

If they were to use Bart Allen, I'd probably go with the idea of him being Barry and Iris's kid, rather than grandson, rapidly aged.

I fully agree that Flash Rebirth with the time travel shenanigans would be a terrible first movie. Heck, it's not even that good of a comic.

 

[Mr. Earle]

We dont even know they'll have Jay, and you care about Bart? Who gives a crap about Bart?
And in any case, you could have time travel in the stories but later on. When you re trying to introduce a new character to the general audience and his origin is ****ed up by things like "i was the lightning that hit me and gave me powers" and "my wife is from the future", people will cringe.

And frankly, so will i. I've never been comfortable with time travel. In limited amounts its pretty good, but Flash seems to have a crapload of it, so if it were me, i'd keep it to a minimum.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well after Crisis, Jay was made the Flash of the 40s and has Decelerated aging. So I dont see whats the big confusion about that

and Im sure a good amount of ppl would want to see Bart in a film at some point

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well after Crisis, Jay was made the Flash of the 40s so I dont see whats the big thiing about that

He is still alive and he was the first Flash, so that's where it all started. You can use Bart or Wally, but you have to show Jay if you want to do it right.
Or they can choose a Flash and ignore the rest, like they did in JLU.

 

[Evil Twin]

We dont even know they'll have Jay, and you care about Bart? Who gives a crap about Bart?
And in any case, you could have time travel in the stories but later on. When you re trying to introduce a new character to the general audience and his origin is ****ed up by things like "i was the lightning that hit me and gave me powers" and "my wife is from the future", people will cringe.

And frankly, so will i. I've never been comfortable with time travel. In limited amounts its pretty good, but Flash seems to have a crapload of it, so if it were me, i'd keep it to a minimum.

See, I expect all this high concept pseudo science in a Flash movie at some point. Parallel universes/dimensions, time travelers, hidden gorilla cities, immortals, super speed ninjas, etc. But without it being bogged down in decades of continuity and the need to explain motivations, origins, etc. Just the basic fun stuff.

 

[MadVillainy]

He is still alive and he was the first Flash, so that's where it all started. You can use Bart or Wally, but you have to show Jay if you want to do it right.
Or they can choose a Flash and ignore the rest, like they did in JLU.

I say have Wally as Flash, Jay as his kind of Go to guy/grandfather figure, Iris West as his mother figure, Barry in flashbacks, Bart maybe in 2nd film, also have Max Mercury in there too

It would be cool to see Wally, Jay, and MAx try and take out Hunter Zolomon (Zoom)

 

[Mr. Earle]

I say have Wally as Flash, Jay as his kind of Go to guy/grandfather figure, Iris West as his mother figure, Barry in flashbacks, Bart maybe in 2nd film, also have Max Mercury in there too

It would be cool to see Wally, Jay, and MAx try and take out Hunter Zolomon (Zoom)

That's how i'd like it as well. But Kevin Smith will argue that Wally started as Barry's sidekick so you'll have to show him as well.
Do you suggest they only show that in flashbacks, or rewrite his origin so that Wally gets hit by lightning and he just takes over from Barry without being mentored by him?
I prefer the second.

 

[MadVillainy]

I really couldnt care less about Kevin Smith's arguement

In terms of the first film, I basically would treat Barry like how the Comedian was treated in Watchmen.

Barry would sacrifice himself before the credits in a cool battle. And then through out the film Barry would be in flashbacks and how he affected the lives of the people close to him like Wally, Iris, Jay.
But all the while a "main" story is happening concerning Wally defeating some villain..maybe Weather Wizard

 

[Mr. Earle]

I really couldnt care less about Kevin Smith's arguement

In terms of the first film, I basically would treat Barry like how the Comedian was treated in Watchmen.

Barry would sacrifice himself before the credits in a cool battle. And then through out the film Barry would be in flashbacks and how he affected the lives of the people close to him like Wally, Iris, Jay.
But all the while a "main" story is happening concerning Wally defeating some villain..maybe Weather Wizard

All i meant is that he has a point in that that is not the comics origin.

Anyway they cant show Barry's comics death anyway. Just imagine them adapting Infinite Crisis so that Barry can die. Nobody will watch a superhero movie again.
Therefore, i am with you. I too believe that they should rewrite everything in a simpler manner so that it makes sense and pick it up from there and explore the characters.
The comedian idea is very good btw.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Barry would sacrifice himself before the credits in a cool battle. And then through out the film Barry would be in flashbacks and how he affected the lives of the people close to him like Wally, Iris, Jay.
But all the while a "main" story is happening concerning Wally defeating some villain..maybe Weather Wizard

I really want Barry in the first film, but I could picture that, Barry wins the battle. He's exhausted, can barely stand, bloody and battered. He turns around and is face to face with the Black Flash. A chase ensues, of course, the Black Flash catches him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

God i hate the Black Flash concept. I mean, wtf you can get shot in the head but the Black Flash has to catch you or you can still live without a brain?
Sometimes comics are just plain stupid.

 

[MadVillainy]

God i hate the Black Flash concept. I mean, wtf you can get shot in the head but the Black Flash has to catch you or you can still live without a brain?
Sometimes comics are just plain stupid.

I like Black Flash, but I would have it so that they see him but don't get chased by him. I mean people say there lives flash before there eyes, instead maybe Speedsters see Black Flash. IDK its a weird concept

All i meant is that he has a point in that that is not the comics origin.

Anyway they cant show Barry's comics death anyway. Just imagine them adapting Infinite Crisis so that Barry can die. Nobody will watch a superhero movie again.
Therefore, i am with you. I too believe that they should rewrite everything in a simpler manner so that it makes sense and pick it up from there and explore the characters.
The comedian idea is very good btw.

Oh yeah definitely you cant have Barry die the same way he did in Crisis. But I still think time travel should be in there to some capactiy. Just not in the first film

 

[Webhead2006]

i still would perfer first film to be about barry, and include wally and jay in some way.

 

[flash13]

As long as they include Wally in a big way then I'm in.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I guess you missed the point that you can't perfectly compare Star trek to the flash.

I wasn't trying to "perfectly compare" Trek to Flash like they're the exact same damn thing.

Let me take a page out of your rather silly book:

I would say Star trek has way more cultural impact then Flash ever did. Plus there some set up with time travel in star Trek, you had time travel in some past movies, but you also had movies where they didn't time travel so you got to know the characters before the they introduce time travel, they don't just introduce time travel in the first movie. Why can't I compare Flash to the Terminator which used time travel very poorly in the last film?

I mean there is a lot of time travel in the X-Men comics, but they didn't put that in the movies, are those movies worse off because of the lack of time travel? Would time travel have made X-Men 1 and 2 better?

No, because the X-men aren't about time travel, silly. Star Trek is about space and the future, time travel has been a consistent thing in every version of Trek. The Flash is to time as GL is to space. Slow, fast, late, early, past, present...all these things are synonymous with speed and time which is what Flash is all about. Time/dimension travel are two of the biggest things The Flash is known for. Duh. I am beginning to think that YOU haven't read any of his comics either. Cuz when you make a Flash movie that's what it is about because that's the character.

You don't seem to understand how you make a movie, you have to build up the tension, so if you start off with a time traveling serial killer who ruined the hero's life, where are you supposed to go from there?

You don't start off that way, you END that way. You start off with the normal life of Barry Allen. Time is supposedly simultaneous, there isn't any reason why Barry has to know his life has been affected by a time traveling enemy he hasn't even met yet. It should be just like a regular guy's life but as he becomes The Flash he realizes he exists between time and dimensions, and that his life isn't at all what it seems. But even so, the time travelling route was just one way they could go with a Barry Allen film. They don't ever have to acknowledge it, altho I would like them to at some point regardless of who is Flash because that's what the character is all about. So...checkmate. Zoom doesn't have to show up till like the third film if need be, so there's your continuity.

How do you raise the stakes from that point? Its silly to go to a time traveling serial killer in the first movie and then have a thief with a gimmick in the second , you have the thief in the first movie and then move on to an epic threat. How are they supposed to do Flash's origin and time travel in the first movie? Even in the second movie you don't have years of continuity like you do in the comics, so you can't just use past history to establish Professor Zoom like you do in the past, you have the convoluted time travel origin and then the convoluted time travel plot against Barry Allen, all in one movie. That would be very hard to pull off. Time Travel is a dangerous thing, unless you use it well it can overshadow everything else in a franchise, that's a big damn risk.

Have you read Flash: Rebirth? Because that's what I am talking about. If you haven't, go read it, and then get back to me on this subject. If you've read it this would be perfectly clear to you and you wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Heck I like Zoom better because it would be easier to make him less convoluted and he seems to have way more pathos then Mr. Puppy eater.

Well of course you do! He's probably the only version of Zoom you're familiar with, because I seem to be the only person who has done any research on any of this stuff before I post, even stuff that isn't my favorite.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Time travel I think is a big part of The Flash's mythos. I mean Professor Zoom is from the future, Bart Allen is from the future and will need time travel if they will introduce him (which I would like them to)

With Hunter ZOlomon Zoom they dont need to show actual time travel, but it needs to be alluded to since he knows that Wally can use the Cosmic Treadmill

So I think time travel should show up in some capacity

 

[Mr. Earle]

I like Black Flash, but I would have it so that they see him but don't get chased by him. I mean people say there lives flash before there eyes, instead maybe Speedsters see Black Flash. IDK its a weird concept

If they just see him and die, that could be cool, although the general audience will roll their eyes so hard their brains will hurt. But if they have the BF chasing the speedsters to kill them, i am walking out of the theatre. Seriously.

Oh yeah definitely you cant have Barry die the same way he did in Crisis. But I still think time travel should be in there to some capactiy. Just not in the first film

Agreed.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Or they can rewrite all this stuff to write out the time travel. Like how Barry supposedly was the flash that hit him and caused his powers, his wife is from the future, blah blah blah.
Just write it simpler like how the JLU Flash didnt have all this convoluted mess of a story.

First, the JLU Flash was a supporting character, another reason why he wasn't what he was in the comics, other than the fact that they were introducing the character to a new audience and there was no way they could do the comics Wally West.

Imagine Dick Grayson has been Batman for 20 years and now you want to try and get new fans. Of course you have to explain who Batman is. the only way in any "legacy" do you not have to explain who the previous guy was is if it were created that way (a REAL legacy character) a la the Phantom.

And the Iris West is from the future thing doesn't have to show up at all, even if it did people wouldn't have to see that until like the 3rd film, much later down the line, so that still doesn't prevent them from doing Barry first. t:

 

[Kevin Smith]

He is still alive and he was the first Flash, so that's where it all started. You can use Bart or Wally, but you have to show Jay if you want to do it right.
Or they can choose a Flash and ignore the rest, like they did in JLU.

Jay doesn't have to be shown at all actually, because he's about as important as Alan Scott is to GL. Don't get me wrong, I love him, but The Flash legacy we're talking about isn't his; it's Barry's. When Barry debuted as Flash Jay was pretty much gone, you didn't need to know him, he was irrelevant, new universe and all that. So again we have Barry's streamlined origin and no Jay. Jay didn't appear until years later in barry's book when he traveled to "earth 2", jay's dimension, by vibrating his molecules at a certain frequency he hadn't before accidentally. So it's cuz of Barry Jay was even brought back into the Flash book (as a publication material, the success of Barry Allen is what brought Jay in the books, and as a publication, the success of Jay in the forties is what prompted DC to reinvent Flash as Barry Allen).

 

[flash13]

I've been watching Pushing Daisies lately and I think Anna Friel would make a great Iris West.

 

[Kevin Smith]

* Barry's red and gold suit (The Flash suit ), according to Carmine Infantino, the suit's creator, is actually inspired by Captain Marvel's red and gold costume, not Jay's.

 

[Mr. Earle]

First, the JLU Flash was a supporting character, another reason why he wasn't what he was in the comics, other than the fact that they were introducing the character to a new audience and there was no way they could do the comics Wally West.

Imagine Dick Grayson has been Batman for 20 years and now you want to try and get new fans. Of course you have to explain who Batman is. the only way in any "legacy" do you not have to explain who the previous guy was is if it were created that way (a REAL legacy character) a la the Phantom.

And the Iris West is from the future thing doesn't have to show up at all, even if it did people wouldn't have to see that until like the 3rd film, much later down the line, so that still doesn't prevent them from doing Barry first. t:

I am not saying they should ignore his legacy, on the contrary i support this motion. But i dont want this overcomplicated time traveling nonsense. Like how Wally disappeared into another dimension, then came back because bart pissed in the speed force and he was the man that broke his father's condom so that his mother could get pregnant.

I just hate all that. I understand that they have to do something new with the character each month, but it would be nice if every few years they threw out some of this stuff since in the end its more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I really couldnt care less about Kevin Smith's arguement

In terms of the first film, I basically would treat Barry like how the Comedian was treated in Watchmen.

Barry would sacrifice himself before the credits in a cool battle. And then through out the film Barry would be in flashbacks and how he affected the lives of the people close to him like Wally, Iris, Jay.
But all the while a "main" story is happening concerning Wally defeating some villain..maybe Weather Wizard

I still think that's pretty convulted "too much for a movie about a character we've never heard of before", it's pretty far from the comics, and that doesn't do justice to any of them.

Just a reminder, the Watchmen film (another topic completely, I have a lot to say about that ), as far as story goes, was pretty much like the comic.