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Spider-Man 4a: Lizard is the main villain. Kraven is secondary.
- Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy have become friends, due to Peter saying "I wasn't myself then!". They become lab partners with Dr. Connors, who's grown to be impatient and always filled with anger lately, due to his massive study of the re-generation of lizards and plans to turn himself into a study rat by injectiong some serum developed from lizards to try to re-grow his missing arm. Dr. Connors becomes the Lizard and kills Captain Stacy after he runs rampant across New York and ends up accidentally killing Mr. Stacy. Peter and Gwen become close to eachother soon afterwards, but both know they can only be friends as Peter is still in love with MJ. Kraven comes to town to show off his trophies, witnesses Spidey fight off Lizard and decides to hunt them both down for his last hunt. Final battle involves a weakened Lizard and Kraven about to kill him for when Spidey comes in to save the day and it becomes a 2 on 1 match, with Kraven falling to his death(for some reason, I see this around the Statue of Liberty and Lizard swaying his tail, hitting Kraven as he tries to kill Spidey and Kraven falls to his death). Dr. Connors has no long-term cure, but he and Spider-Man(Connors not knowing his identity) works out a cure that he must take every two months to stay human.
Spider-Man 4b: Lizard is the main villain. Carnage is secondary.
- All from 4a, but during their second battle, Lizard cuts Spidey, and wakes up the next morning in his office half-naked, with Spidey's blood on his fingernails and pieces of Spidey's suit and finds the strand of symbiote that he had frozen ever since S-M 3. He wonders if using Spidey's blood as a host, perhaps it can be a cure to heal himself and cure himself from being the Lizard also. He mixes the tiny strand of symbiote with some of Spidey's blood, Spidey's DNA from the piece of his suit that Dr. Connors has and a sample of his own blood/DNA which creates the Carnage depictured from the Ultimate comics and it breaks out, ensuing a fight and chase between Carnage and Lizard. As they fight, Spidey comes to fight in the battle two, causing a little triple threat fight and then Lizard quickly turns back into Dr. Connors, causing Spider-Man and Carnage to go one on one, ending with the Carnage monster dying, the same way he did in the comics before the whole Gwen Stacy clone.
...I don't know if Dr. Connors turns back into Lizard and then can turn back human, but that element should be in the movie, to give it more development instead of Lizard staying as the Lizard.
- Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy have become friends, due to Peter saying "I wasn't myself then!". They become lab partners with Dr. Connors, who's grown to be impatient and always filled with anger lately, due to his massive study of the re-generation of lizards and plans to turn himself into a study rat by injectiong some serum developed from lizards to try to re-grow his missing arm. Dr. Connors becomes the Lizard and kills Captain Stacy after he runs rampant across New York and ends up accidentally killing Mr. Stacy. Peter and Gwen become close to eachother soon afterwards, but both know they can only be friends as Peter is still in love with MJ. Kraven comes to town to show off his trophies, witnesses Spidey fight off Lizard and decides to hunt them both down for his last hunt. Final battle involves a weakened Lizard and Kraven about to kill him for when Spidey comes in to save the day and it becomes a 2 on 1 match, with Kraven falling to his death(for some reason, I see this around the Statue of Liberty and Lizard swaying his tail, hitting Kraven as he tries to kill Spidey and Kraven falls to his death). Dr. Connors has no long-term cure, but he and Spider-Man(Connors not knowing his identity) works out a cure that he must take every two months to stay human.
Spider-Man 4b: Lizard is the main villain. Carnage is secondary.
- All from 4a, but during their second battle, Lizard cuts Spidey, and wakes up the next morning in his office half-naked, with Spidey's blood on his fingernails and pieces of Spidey's suit and finds the strand of symbiote that he had frozen ever since S-M 3. He wonders if using Spidey's blood as a host, perhaps it can be a cure to heal himself and cure himself from being the Lizard also. He mixes the tiny strand of symbiote with some of Spidey's blood, Spidey's DNA from the piece of his suit that Dr. Connors has and a sample of his own blood/DNA which creates the Carnage depictured from the Ultimate comics and it breaks out, ensuing a fight and chase between Carnage and Lizard. As they fight, Spidey comes to fight in the battle two, causing a little triple threat fight and then Lizard quickly turns back into Dr. Connors, causing Spider-Man and Carnage to go one on one, ending with the Carnage monster dying, the same way he did in the comics before the whole Gwen Stacy clone.
...I don't know if Dr. Connors turns back into Lizard and then can turn back human, but that element should be in the movie, to give it more development instead of Lizard staying as the Lizard.
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I actually think this outline is really good. The previous films have already been tweaked storywise, and this whole plan seems perfect for Hollywood. I like the Shocker being around briefly before being stopped (hopefully he wouldn't look like a tool) and the Kraven angle mixed in with the Lizard main plot. Maybe someone that matters will take a look at this? Though I agree with NinjaTurtleFan. The cast and director have to return....
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I looked everywhere for a thread for posting ideas for a fourth film, but I didn't find one. So, sorry for making a new thread.
I think that the best villains to use for a fourth movie would be The Lizard and Kraven the Hunter. The reason I think that is that it wouldn't take much time to introduce them. Dr. Curt Connors has already been in the second and third films. He's already an established character, and I don't believe it would take very long to get him from Connors to The Lizard. All that would be need to be shown is that he is experimenting, trying to find a way to regrow his arm after a couple of scenes with his family. He's at the lab late one night, and a tragic accident occurs, and he becomes The Lizard. He's wreaking havoc on NYC and of course this brings out Spider-Man. They have a big battle on the streets of New York and The Lizard takes Spider-Man to the limit. Eventually, The Lizard escapes into the sewers and Spider-Man loses him.
Of course, Jameson learns of this, and does his usual gig. He criticizes Spider-Man in the Daily Bugle for not being able to get the job done. Jameson, trying to make himself look good, somehow gets in touch with Kraven the Hunter and brings him to New York City, claiming that Kraven will do what Spider-Man could not do, which is capture The Lizard. Once again, Kraven doesn't really need much of an introduction, and it's probably better that way anyways. He's known as the world's greatest hunter, and that should be about all that needs to be known.
Peter is losing confidence in himself. He couldn't take down The Lizard, and things just keep getting worse. Aunt May is very ill, and doctors are not giving her long to live. This starts Peter's story for the movie, which is him being upset about how he can do all of these amazing things, and has saved so many people, but he cannot save Aunt May, who has been so wonderful and caring to him.
Meanwhile, Kraven the Hunter is prowling the city, seeking out The Lizard. He's having a difficult time. Eventually, he does find The Lizard, but is unable to capture him. After a couple of failed attempts, Kraven is starting to get frustrated. This is his toughest hunt yet.
About halfway through the film, Peter has a tender moment where he's with Aunt May in the hospital, and tells her of his disappointment about not being able to help her. She tells him "You cannot save everyone Peter. Some things are just out of your hands." Peter doesn't respond to this, he's in shock. Does she know that he's Spider-Man?
The next morning, Aunt May passes away, and Peter is devastated. Kraven is tearing up the city trying to capture The Lizard, but Peter is just not able to go out and try to stop them. He's still having issues with his confidence. Then, Peter sees a report on the news about Dr. Connors missing. There is an interview with Dr. Connors wife, where she tells the press that the last she had seen him, he had been working tirelessly on trying to find a way to regrow his arm. The young child, Billy, is so lost without his father, and Peter knows what this is like, having lost Uncle Ben.
This wakes Peter up, and it makes him determined. He has put two and two together. Dr. Connors is The Lizard, and Peter is the only one who can save him. Peter gets to work on a way to change Connors back to his normal self. Using his scientific skills, he finally concocts a formula that will hopefully bring Connors back. This brings us to the climax of the film.
It's early morning, and the sun has just started to come up. Kraven finds The Lizard, and promises to himself that this is the last stand. The Lizard has made his way to the top of the Empire State Building. Kraven follows, and a huge battle ensues. Kraven is giving it his all, but The Lizard just isn't going down. Spider-Man shows up, and tries to inject Dr. Connors with the cure, but is unable to get him to stand still enough. The Lizard throws Spider-Man off and makes his way to the sewers. Kraven tries to follow, but Spider-Man stops him, telling him that there's human being behind that monster. Kraven doesn't listen, and continues after The Lizard. Spider-Man refuses to allow this to happen, and a the big Spider-Man Vs. Kraven showdown is on.
Kraven is much stronger than Spider-Man, and takes him to absolute limit. Kraven has Spider-Man down on the ground, and tells him "You're in over your head, Spidey". Peter knows that he can do this, he can save Dr. Connors. He finds a second wind, and somehow defeats Kraven, knocking him out and webbing him up. Now it's time to save Dr. Connors. He walks over the ledge and drops off, heading towards the sewers.
He searches everywhere, but cannot find The Lizard. Then, finally, Spider-Man feels a some very heavy hot breath in his neck. The Lizard smacks Spider-Man with his strong tail, sending him flying. This is in a big, open area of the sewer, so the battle is huge and exciting. Spider-Man is still determined, and almost holding his own, until The Lizard gets him up against a wall. The Lizard is about to chomp Spider-Man's head off with those long sharp teeth, when Spider-Man shoots a web onto The Lizards mouth, holding his jaws together in a muzzle. Spider-Man knows this won't hold long, and takes one last desperate shot with the cure, and gets it.
Dr. Connors becomes his normal self again, but passes out. Spider-Man carries him to the surface, and takes him back home. He explains what happened to Connors wife, and when Connors wakes up, Spider-Man tells him he should never try something so dangerous again, for he has a family who loves him, and never want to lose him. He tells him he can save his future, and to never do this again. Connors has come around, and realizes the error of his ways. They are a happy family again, even is he does only have one arm.
The movie ends with Peter at Aunt May's grave. He stands there, though, knowing that Aunt May would be proud of him. He webs a heart onto her headstone. There is a voiceover from Peter. He says he may not have been able to save Aunt May, but she was right. It was out his hands. There ARE things that cannot do, things he cannot stop. All he can do is do his best, and make the best out of what he CAN do. We fade out. The end.
I think that the best villains to use for a fourth movie would be The Lizard and Kraven the Hunter. The reason I think that is that it wouldn't take much time to introduce them. Dr. Curt Connors has already been in the second and third films. He's already an established character, and I don't believe it would take very long to get him from Connors to The Lizard. All that would be need to be shown is that he is experimenting, trying to find a way to regrow his arm after a couple of scenes with his family. He's at the lab late one night, and a tragic accident occurs, and he becomes The Lizard. He's wreaking havoc on NYC and of course this brings out Spider-Man. They have a big battle on the streets of New York and The Lizard takes Spider-Man to the limit. Eventually, The Lizard escapes into the sewers and Spider-Man loses him.
Of course, Jameson learns of this, and does his usual gig. He criticizes Spider-Man in the Daily Bugle for not being able to get the job done. Jameson, trying to make himself look good, somehow gets in touch with Kraven the Hunter and brings him to New York City, claiming that Kraven will do what Spider-Man could not do, which is capture The Lizard. Once again, Kraven doesn't really need much of an introduction, and it's probably better that way anyways. He's known as the world's greatest hunter, and that should be about all that needs to be known.
Peter is losing confidence in himself. He couldn't take down The Lizard, and things just keep getting worse. Aunt May is very ill, and doctors are not giving her long to live. This starts Peter's story for the movie, which is him being upset about how he can do all of these amazing things, and has saved so many people, but he cannot save Aunt May, who has been so wonderful and caring to him.
Meanwhile, Kraven the Hunter is prowling the city, seeking out The Lizard. He's having a difficult time. Eventually, he does find The Lizard, but is unable to capture him. After a couple of failed attempts, Kraven is starting to get frustrated. This is his toughest hunt yet.
About halfway through the film, Peter has a tender moment where he's with Aunt May in the hospital, and tells her of his disappointment about not being able to help her. She tells him "You cannot save everyone Peter. Some things are just out of your hands." Peter doesn't respond to this, he's in shock. Does she know that he's Spider-Man?
The next morning, Aunt May passes away, and Peter is devastated. Kraven is tearing up the city trying to capture The Lizard, but Peter is just not able to go out and try to stop them. He's still having issues with his confidence. Then, Peter sees a report on the news about Dr. Connors missing. There is an interview with Dr. Connors wife, where she tells the press that the last she had seen him, he had been working tirelessly on trying to find a way to regrow his arm. The young child, Billy, is so lost without his father, and Peter knows what this is like, having lost Uncle Ben.
This wakes Peter up, and it makes him determined. He has put two and two together. Dr. Connors is The Lizard, and Peter is the only one who can save him. Peter gets to work on a way to change Connors back to his normal self. Using his scientific skills, he finally concocts a formula that will hopefully bring Connors back. This brings us to the climax of the film.
It's early morning, and the sun has just started to come up. Kraven finds The Lizard, and promises to himself that this is the last stand. The Lizard has made his way to the top of the Empire State Building. Kraven follows, and a huge battle ensues. Kraven is giving it his all, but The Lizard just isn't going down. Spider-Man shows up, and tries to inject Dr. Connors with the cure, but is unable to get him to stand still enough. The Lizard throws Spider-Man off and makes his way to the sewers. Kraven tries to follow, but Spider-Man stops him, telling him that there's human being behind that monster. Kraven doesn't listen, and continues after The Lizard. Spider-Man refuses to allow this to happen, and a the big Spider-Man Vs. Kraven showdown is on.
Kraven is much stronger than Spider-Man, and takes him to absolute limit. Kraven has Spider-Man down on the ground, and tells him "You're in over your head, Spidey". Peter knows that he can do this, he can save Dr. Connors. He finds a second wind, and somehow defeats Kraven, knocking him out and webbing him up. Now it's time to save Dr. Connors. He walks over the ledge and drops off, heading towards the sewers.
He searches everywhere, but cannot find The Lizard. Then, finally, Spider-Man feels a some very heavy hot breath in his neck. The Lizard smacks Spider-Man with his strong tail, sending him flying. This is in a big, open area of the sewer, so the battle is huge and exciting. Spider-Man is still determined, and almost holding his own, until The Lizard gets him up against a wall. The Lizard is about to chomp Spider-Man's head off with those long sharp teeth, when Spider-Man shoots a web onto The Lizards mouth, holding his jaws together in a muzzle. Spider-Man knows this won't hold long, and takes one last desperate shot with the cure, and gets it.
Dr. Connors becomes his normal self again, but passes out. Spider-Man carries him to the surface, and takes him back home. He explains what happened to Connors wife, and when Connors wakes up, Spider-Man tells him he should never try something so dangerous again, for he has a family who loves him, and never want to lose him. He tells him he can save his future, and to never do this again. Connors has come around, and realizes the error of his ways. They are a happy family again, even is he does only have one arm.
The movie ends with Peter at Aunt May's grave. He stands there, though, knowing that Aunt May would be proud of him. He webs a heart onto her headstone. There is a voiceover from Peter. He says he may not have been able to save Aunt May, but she was right. It was out his hands. There ARE things that cannot do, things he cannot stop. All he can do is do his best, and make the best out of what he CAN do. We fade out. The end.
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I'm not reading that because it's centred...
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I'm not seeing this Official "How YOU would do Spider-Man 4" thread.
And why are you not reading it if it's centered? That's kind of silly. It's not as if it's in another language or something.
And why are you not reading it if it's centered? That's kind of silly. It's not as if it's in another language or something.
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I wouldn't complain if this was the rough outline of the film. Good job.
I really think Kraven and the Lizard are the only realistic option for 4. I hope it's a dark film, and by dark, I don't mean campy dark!
You'll never get a dark film under a PG-13 rated Spider-Man, why do you people think I want an R rating? Too many merchandise to sell to bastard ass children, no comic book movie makes money like Spidey, therefore, his stories are going to suffer because of it, in order to appeal to a wide audience, namely damn kids! Again I say, Spider-Man is forever a victim of his own success.
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I don't know, what rating was Batman Begins? That was in no way campy and I'm sure kids were able to see it. But I know what you will say, that Batman Merchandise didn't do great.
Compared to the success of Spider-Man, Batman Begins doesn't exist. Hell, Spidey made more than than BB and Supes new flick combined worldwide, let alone his merchandising. BB was in no way dark either, at least not to me. Again I say, Spider-Man is a victim of his own success. There's no getting out of this one.
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I dunno if I'd kill off Aunt May. Even if the movies last long enough that Rosemary Harris passes away (God forbid), I'd bring in a second actress before I would allow the character to die off. Even the comics killed her off, but had to bring her back.
The issue where she confronts Peter after finding out his secret could be a straight 20-minute scene. Put that in a movie.
What I'm hoping/expecting out of SM4 is a jump into the established characters. Namely, Connors and the Stacys.
Connors becomes the Lizard, and rather than Doc Ock's runaway tentacle knocking over the chimney which crushes Capt. Stacy, it'd be the Lizard's tail.
Dunno how Gwen's death would be covered, since they already did the bridge scene. Could bring in Hobgoblin later and make him a sort of criminal copycat. That's neither here nor there. That's SM5.
Anyway.
Lizard. Kraven. Death of Capt. Stacy. Capt. Stacy knew about Peter's identity, revealing this to him as he died I believe, so I wonder if this wouldn't be an appropriate time for Aunt May to suspect/find out.
Meanwhile, Peter & Mary Jane actually try to get married.
And that's a movie.
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The issue where she confronts Peter after finding out his secret could be a straight 20-minute scene. Put that in a movie.
What I'm hoping/expecting out of SM4 is a jump into the established characters. Namely, Connors and the Stacys.
Connors becomes the Lizard, and rather than Doc Ock's runaway tentacle knocking over the chimney which crushes Capt. Stacy, it'd be the Lizard's tail.
Dunno how Gwen's death would be covered, since they already did the bridge scene. Could bring in Hobgoblin later and make him a sort of criminal copycat. That's neither here nor there. That's SM5.
Anyway.
Lizard. Kraven. Death of Capt. Stacy. Capt. Stacy knew about Peter's identity, revealing this to him as he died I believe, so I wonder if this wouldn't be an appropriate time for Aunt May to suspect/find out.
Meanwhile, Peter & Mary Jane actually try to get married.
And that's a movie.
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Suffer? I must disagree. The Spider-Man comics were always for adults and kids. Sure there was Kravens Last Hunt, Maximum Carnage, etc., but those weren't even gory. I mean Kraven shooting himself was pretty bloody, but there wasn't brains everywhere. Besides, how dark should a Spider-Man story be? He's nothing like Batman at all. Batman is meant to be a dark crusader. Spider-Man is meant to be funny, romantic, action packed, and more! With a character like that, there should never be an R-rated Spdier-Man film. I never have and never will want to see one unless it's a Venom spin-off film.
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Word.
I would love an R-rated Venom film, so long as that R was put to good use and not wasted on something stupid... like the F-word more than twice.
A PG-13 film can be dark without being gory, Spidey's too happy-go-lucky. I've never thought of him as dark, even in the black suit.
Dramatic, on the other hand.....
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I would love an R-rated Venom film, so long as that R was put to good use and not wasted on something stupid... like the F-word more than twice.
A PG-13 film can be dark without being gory, Spidey's too happy-go-lucky. I've never thought of him as dark, even in the black suit.
Dramatic, on the other hand.....
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I completley agree, and I think Spidey in the black suit was dark and the darkness of that type of Spidey really worked well, but darker than that in a Spider-Man film is not and should not work.
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Fan fiction forums...thank you.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280793
P.S. Look at the sticky on the top of the page labeled WRITING YOUR OWN SCRIPT.............................
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=280793
P.S. Look at the sticky on the top of the page labeled WRITING YOUR OWN SCRIPT.............................
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Except I looked at that. And I looked and looked, but could not find this Official "How YOU would do Spider-Man 4" thread.
So I posted my OUTLINE in a new thread.
Guess it didn't matter anyways. Everyone came in here discussing why Spider-Man is PG-13, and how cool an R rated film would be. Instead of telling me why or why they don't like my idea.
Sorry I bothered you guys. Next time I won't center it. Then maybe you'll actually read it.
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Hes saying to go to the fan fiction forum and make your own thread there
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He was joking about it being centered
Go to the fanfiction forum...it's a great place for other writers to comment on your stuff. Plus, it allows for decongestion in this forum because everyone has their own ideas. And if everyone had their own 'ideas' thread, well you get the picture
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Meh, critically imo BB wipes the floor with all 3 films so I'm not concerned with how it did in box office sales or merchandise.
Well, you're talking to someone who thinks BB is far from great and semi-good, compared to The Crow it's flat out *****, which is why they're going with the Crowker in TDK. I don't usually agree with the critics or fans. If I did, I would think BB, SM2 and X2 are the best comic book films, and I don't. And I'm sure Warner Bros. would kill your whole family for Spidey's box office numbers and merchandise sales.
I'm not talking about making Spidey himself dark, I'm talking about not being able to adapt dark stories or elements properly under the movie's present form. Not everything is happy-go-lucky in Spidey's world. I said nothing about Spider-Man being gory, The Matrix and Terminator 2 wasn't gory. You can still achieve funny, romantic, action packed and drama with an R-rating. For now, I'd settle for Sony utilizing the PG-13 rating that they have, which I don't feel they do.
So, you like Peter dancing like a moronic fool, JJJ's one man comedy relief act, and Peter being a nerd forever, and rewriting the same damsel-in-distress ending thrice, I don't? Yeah, sure, the story don't suffer.
Of course Spidey should appeal to adults and kids, but it shouldn't be written strictly for kids. Kids love The Matrix, Terminator 2 and 300, so let's not use KIDS as an excuse for these juvenile antics. Let us hope that James Vanderbilt can fix this, before Sony/Marvel turn The Lizard and Kraven into a two ballet dancers.
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Why even compare?
Well, maybe I am just conforming, but imo they are the best comic book films in that order.
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ballet dancers? I really think not, there are dark elements that have been adapted properly. The Lizard will most likley be like he was back in the 1960's and 1970's and I'm happy about that. There were sort of dark elements from Lizard stories, especially in the comic series "Spider-Man", which Todd Macfarlane did the art for. The first story was Torment and it had a dark aspect to it and some fo those aspects should and could work, but not all.
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