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The Official Hype Martial Arts Thread




Nice essay on Yen's contributions to modern martial arts fight choreography.
 
A tribute to THE Man that put the Samurai into the modern cinema consciouness.

Toshiro Mifune.

 
Well a new one of these just dropped.

Sensei Seth has quickly become one of my favorite stops on YT, and I don't even have any experience with Karate. His content is just that good and he comes off very well.


 
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Again, I have very limited experience with Okinawan or Japanese Karate but I find the work done by Youtubers Sensei Seth and Jesse Enkamp to be fascinating and informative and quite thought provoking.

Here Jesse interviews Bill "Super Foot" Wallace, a legend in the world of kickboxing. Wallace describes his experience as a presenter at the very first UFC.

I have nothing but respect for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and have trained with Black Belts in the system as well as doing grappling in general. Learning the ground game is essential for any martial artist interested in being a complete fighter in a real self defense situation. That's not debatable in my opinion.

However... The culture of BJJ has always had a very militant and chauvanistic element to it and since in America especially the mythology of BJJ is based upon the early success of BJJ in UFC/MMA I think this interview gives a lot of texture to that moment in time when BJJ broke out into the mainstream.


 
KRYPTON INC. said:
Again, I have very limited experience with Okinawan or Japanese Karate but I find the work done by Youtubers Sensei Seth and Jesse Enkamp to be fascinating and informative and quite thought provoking.

Here Jesse interviews Bill "Super Foot" Wallace, a legend in the world of kickboxing. Wallace describes his experience as a presenter at the very first UFC.

I have nothing but respect for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and have trained with Black Belts in the system as well as doing grappling in general. Learning the ground game is essential for any martial artist interested in being a complete fighter in a real self defense situation. That's not debatable in my opinion.

However... The culture of BJJ has always had a very militant and chauvanistic element to it and since in America especially the mythology of BJJ is based upon the early success of BJJ in UFC/MMA I think this interview gives a lot of texture to that moment in time when BJJ broke out into the mainstream.


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Well, I enjoy Jesse's work, and I have about 30 years of Japanese and Okinawan karate experience ( and some boxing , judo, tai chi, tae kwon do, Wing Chun, aikido and wrestling ). So I feel qualified to express a view on his content.

I remember the first 2 UFC, they were bizarre but exciting events, you could literally see teeth fly out of people's mouths. I mean who could ever forget Keith Hackney's TKO of an opponent who outweighed him by 400 pounds ?

I know some experienced Karate people who take Jesse with a grain of salt, but I like his willingness to confront the myths and straight up bull**** that's associated with Karate. I don't agree with everything he says, but I am always willing to listen to him.

Having said all that, I wouldn't fancy my chances against a BJJ black belt in a real fight, my only hope would be keeping the fight standing up or sprawling ( from my wrestling and judo background) and landing a significant punch ( from my boxing arsenal) - karate in its modern form is not designed to fight grapplers at all.
It's not totally useless, but against a grappler who has some reasonable submissions it's not very useful either.

Speaking of Youtubers what do you think of Icy Mike, Hard2Hurt ?
 
Batmannerism said:
Well, I enjoy Jesse's work, and I have about 30 years of Japanese and Okinawan karate experience ( and some boxing , judo, tai chi, tae kwon do, Wing Chun, aikido and wrestling ). So I feel qualified to express a view on his content.

I remember the first 2 UFC, they were bizarre but exciting events, you could literally see teeth fly out of people's mouths. I mean who could ever forget Keith Hackney's TKO of an opponent who outweighed him by 400 pounds ?

I know some experienced Karate people who take Jesse with a grain of salt, but I like his willingness to confront the myths and straight up bull**** that's associated with Karate. I don't agree with everything he says, but I am always willing to listen to him.

Having said all that, I wouldn't fancy my chances against a BJJ black belt in a real fight, my only hope would be keeping the fight standing up or sprawling ( from my wrestling and judo background) and landing a significant punch ( from my boxing arsenal) - karate in its modern form is not designed to fight grapplers at all.
It's not totally useless, but against a grappler who has some reasonable submissions it's not very useful either.

Speaking of Youtubers what do you think of Icy Mike, Hard2Hurt ?
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Pretty much on the same page here BM.

Jesse has done the work and put in the effort to really look into the evolutin of Karate from Japan and Okinawa. Like you, I don't always agree with his take but his thought process does make sense. A valuable resource for martial artists on YT for sure.

Having been choked out by a BJJ Blue Belt with his freaking SHOULDER while I had him in a full on guillotine, legs wrapped and everything, I know to respect BJJ.

That said...

Don't count yourself out in a street encounter. BJJ is great... But they have their blind spots just as the strikers did in the early MMA days. For one, just adding in a weapon of any kind to the matrix of a fight changes things radically. And just like when strikers DIDN'T train to stop the takedown or understand the use of the clinch to stymie the grapplers, BJJ's weapon work is limited at best. You don't want to engage a grappler on the ground. And you wouldn't want to mess with a person that has extensive training in weapons, purpose built (stick/club, staff, blade) or improvised. Who is to say your fight with a BJJ man HAS to be "honorable" with both parties not pulling something? Then there's just the good ole' "Punchers Chance".

I was at a seminar in the early 2000's for Paul Vunak's PFS. One of his highest ranking instructors was a BJJ Black Belt who also taught Kali and Savate with full instructor credentials in both. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Anyways, he told a story about how his BJJ students didn't understand why he taught and practiced those other things if he had a Black Belt in BJJ, you know "the ultimate martial art"?

He did two things. First he asked the guy who made the query one time to get on the mat and take the usual BJJ ready stance. He told him to come in and attack. When the guy did he basically did a quick side step and delivered a light Savate toe kick to his mid section which dropped the dude quickly. A LIGHT toe kick. Then he took the class outside and said they were gonna roll in the concrete parking lot. As soon as they went out every student went and cleared the ground of all the crap, broken glass, rocks, various detritus and THEN they rolled and he pointed out... You ain't gonna have a street fight on a sterile mat. Intentionally take someone to the ground in an improvised street fight and the environment becomes a factor. Then there's various "dirty" tricks like biting and spitting that believe it or not can stymie or reverse the situation for the grappler. Vunak has an entire curriculm on biting to counter the grappler.


As for Icy Mike? Love that short pissed off muthaeffer. Like Jesse I don't always agree with him and sometimes, hell, ALL the time his manner of getting his message across blurs the points he's trying to make, but he puts his ass on the line regularly. In many ways when I see what he's doing with his message I think of what he's doing as the very soul of what Jeet Kune Do is all about.

I've got a few of his videos embedded here. Great material.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
Pretty much on the same page here BM.

Jesse has done the work and put in the effort to really look into the evolutin of Karate from Japan and Okinawa. Like you, I don't always agree with his take but his thought process does make sense. A valuable resource for martial artists on YT for sure.

Having been choked out by a BJJ Blue Belt with his freaking SHOULDER while I had him in a full on guillotine, legs wrapped and everything, I know to respect BJJ.

That said...

Don't count yourself out in a street encounter. BJJ is great... But they have their blind spots just as the strikers did in the early MMA days. For one, just adding in a weapon of any kind to the matrix of a fight changes things radically. And just like when strikers DIDN'T train to stop the takedown or understand the use of the clinch to stymie the grapplers, BJJ's weapon work is limited at best. You don't want to engage a grappler on the ground. And you wouldn't want to mess with a person that has extensive training in weapons, purpose built (stick/club, staff, blade) or improvised. Who is to say your fight with a BJJ man HAS to be "honorable" with both parties not pulling something? Then there's just the good ole' "Punchers Chance".

I was at a seminar in the early 2000's for Paul Vunak's PFS. One of his highest ranking instructors was a BJJ Black Belt who also taught Kali and Savate with full instructor credentials in both. I can't remember the name off the top of my head. Anyways, he told a story about how his BJJ students didn't understand why he taught and practiced those other things if he had a Black Belt in BJJ, you know "the ultimate martial art"?

He did two things. First he asked the guy who made the query one time to get on the mat and take the usual BJJ ready stance. He told him to come in and attack. When the guy did he basically did a quick side step and delivered a light Savate toe kick to his mid section which dropped the dude quickly. A LIGHT toe kick. Then he took the class outside and said they were gonna roll in the concrete parking lot. As soon as they went out every student went and cleared the ground of all the crap, broken glass, rocks, various detritus and THEN they rolled and he pointed out... You ain't gonna have a street fight on a sterile mat. Intentionally take someone to the ground in an improvised street fight and the environment becomes a factor. Then there's various "dirty" tricks like biting and spitting that believe it or not can stymie or reverse the situation for the grappler. Vunak has an entire curriculm on biting to counter the grappler.


As for Icy Mike? Love that short pissed off muthaeffer. Like Jesse I don't always agree with him and sometimes, hell, ALL the time his manner of getting his message across blurs the points he's trying to make, but he puts his ass on the line regularly. In many ways when I see what he's doing with his message I think of what he's doing as the very soul of what Jeet Kune Do is all about.

I've got a few of his videos embedded here. Great material.
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There was a great fighting arts documentary back in 2007-8, called Fight Quest. The hosts had to train for 5 days and then fight some practitioners.
It varied from a respectful contest to a full on fight - great series !

Anyways I remember seeing one of the hosts get completely dropped by a toe kick to the liver. I saw Ward vs Sanchez on ESPN back in the day, and it was nearly the same thing. An innocuous looking shot and boom, game over.

As for Icy Mike - I respect that he's willing to front up and test himself and try things out, but some of his videos border on clickbait. I can take him in medium to small doses, but I'm always interested to hear his thoughts on technique. He's got good footwork, which is what let's him tag bigger guys like Seth - but you see his sparring clip with Wonderboy and you know that Wonderboy is just messing around and could lay him out with little difficulty.

Can't really identify with the gun stuff though, as gun crime where I live is pretty limited - and by that I mean the whole country. It does happen, but pretty infrequently.
 
Batmannerism said:
There was a great fighting arts documentary back in 2007-8, called Fight Quest. The hosts had to train for 5 days and then fight some practitioners.
It varied from a respectful contest to a full on fight - great series !

Anyways I remember seeing one of the hosts get completely dropped by a toe kick to the liver. I saw Ward vs Sanchez on ESPN back in the day, and it was nearly the same thing. An innocuous looking shot and boom, game over.

As for Icy Mike - I respect that he's willing to front up and test himself and try things out, but some of his videos border on clickbait. I can take him in medium to small doses, but I'm always interested to hear his thoughts on technique. He's got good footwork, which is what let's him tag bigger guys like Seth - but you see his sparring clip with Wonderboy and you know that Wonderboy is just messing around and could lay him out with little difficulty.

Can't really identify with the gun stuff though, as gun crime where I live is pretty limited - and by that I mean the whole country. It does happen, but pretty infrequently.
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Toe kicks are... They don't look like anything on the bag. You see a world class Savate guy working the bag and to most it's not at all impressive... But take one or two in a fight or sparring and it ruins your day for sure. I myself have a theory that Bruce's kicks were a mix of Muay Thai, Savate and old school TKD. Wing Chun just has nothing like the kicks Bruce could deliver. And the low line kicks of old Savate are very practical in a street fight situation. Let me put it this way... There's a pillar in my apartment that's painted blue but there's a spot on it at precisely average knee/shin height where the paint is totally chipped away to the brick. That's where I practice all my low line kicks for placement and accuracy. Lead low side kick, stop kicks, obliques from front and rear. It's funny but I'm training now and... My kicks are BETTER than when I was in my 20's, but I still am not going above the mid section for my targets.

And totally agree that Mike knows exactly what he's doing with those video titles. I sense he enjoys riling people up and... Eh... I have low tolerance for that. His manner of getting his point across smothers whatever great insights he's passing on I think. On the other hand, he's trying to stand out in a sea of martial arts/self defense channels on YT so I get being gimmicky or rustling Jimmies for views even if I find it off putting.

As for gun stuff...

I'm a New Yorker. Gun laws here are pretty strict. I'm not totally against people who truly are responsible and well trained in firearms discipline... But I get a bad vibe in general from American Gun Culture.

Of course the flip is... Guns can be and are effective self defense. Even being wary of them I have seriously thought of getting some training just to be informed as mush as I can.

I'm thinking of project right now where I would go across the U.S. on motorcycle interviewing and training with masters of various styles and you know, even doing so probably taking along some of my own martial arts weapons... I am thinking as a precaution to also look into training in firearms and purchasing a handgun or barring that a shotgun. Not every place is like the coasts and myself and a partner out on the road alone... You never know what happens.

But... I'm not 100% on that and while not reflexivley "anti-gun" (While still thinking we need to have WAY mor gun regulation in the U.S.) I can't deny an unease with guns despite having two uncles that were LEOs, a super short stint in the Army and doing my high school years in the Pocono Mountains of Pa., where when I lived there hunting was Huge in the local culture which meant plenty of guns.
 
KRYPTON INC. said:
Toe kicks are... They don't look like anything on the bag. You see a world class Savate guy working the bag and to most it's not at all impressive... But take one or two in a fight or sparring and it ruins your day for sure. I myself have a theory that Bruce's kicks were a mix of Muay Thai, Savate and old school TKD. Wing Chun just has nothing like the kicks Bruce could deliver. And the low line kicks of old Savate are very practical in a street fight situation. Let me put it this way... There's a pillar in my apartment that's painted blue but there's a spot on it at precisely average knee/shin height where the paint is totally chipped away to the brick. That's where I practice all my low line kicks for placement and accuracy. Lead low side kick, stop kicks, obliques from front and rear. It's funny but I'm training now and... My kicks are BETTER than when I was in my 20's, but I still am not going above the mid section for my targets.

And totally agree that Mike knows exactly what he's doing with those video titles. I sense he enjoys riling people up and... Eh... I have low tolerance for that. His manner of getting his point across smothers whatever great insights he's passing on I think. On the other hand, he's trying to stand out in a sea of martial arts/self defense channels on YT so I get being gimmicky or rustling Jimmies for views even if I find it off putting.

As for gun stuff...

I'm a New Yorker. Gun laws here are pretty strict. I'm not totally against people who truly are responsible and well trained in firearms discipline... But I get a bad vibe in general from American Gun Culture.

Of course the flip is... Guns can be and are effective self defense. Even being wary of them I have seriously thought of getting some training just to be informed as mush as I can.

I'm thinking of project right now where I would go across the U.S. on motorcycle interviewing and training with masters of various styles and you know, even doing so probably taking along some of my own martial arts weapons... I am thinking as a precaution to also look into training in firearms and purchasing a handgun or barring that a shotgun. Not every place is like the coasts and myself and a partner out on the road alone... You never know what happens.

But... I'm not 100% on that and while not reflexivley "anti-gun" (While still thinking we need to have WAY mor gun regulation in the U.S.) I can't deny an unease with guns despite having two uncles that were LEOs, a super short stint in the Army and doing my high school years in the Pocono Mountains of Pa., where when I lived there hunting was Huge in the local culture which meant plenty of guns.
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Gun culture is a tricky thing. Gun ownership in NZ is quite high - but most of those are shotguns and rifles- for hunting and pest control ( wild deer, wild goats, wild pigs etc)

Hand gun ownership is strictly controlled and automatic rifles have been illegal since 2019 ( after our worst ever mass shooting).

So there is a gun culture here, but it's not around self defence. Outside of Auckland, the largest city, police don't carry sidearms ( although they have them in their cars if needed).

I like the sound of your martial arts tour - if you haven't seen it check out Fight Quest , I think most of the episodes are on YouTube. I can't recommend it enough.
 
Batmannerism said:
Gun culture is a tricky thing. Gun ownership in NZ is quite high - but most of those are shotguns and rifles- for hunting and pest control ( wild deer, wild goats, wild pigs etc)

Hand gun ownership is strictly controlled and automatic rifles have been illegal since 2019 ( after our worst ever mass shooting).

So there is a gun culture here, but it's not around self defence. Outside of Auckland, the largest city, police don't carry sidearms ( although they have them in their cars if needed).

I like the sound of your martial arts tour - if you haven't seen it check out Fight Quest , I think most of the episodes are on YouTube. I can't recommend it enough.
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Oh I'm a big fan of Fight Quest having seen both series on History.

A good layman's overview of various styles and method for sure. Inspirational to my own idea definitely. I have the second series episode on FMA embedded here in the thread.

I preferred the second series take on FMA more than the first. I don't think the two hosts "learned" much in that first series per se and I'll shut my mouth about how Leo Gaje trained the one guy under his tutelage but... I'm not quite sure what he was thinking with it. I don't think it represented what you could accomplish with good FMA training. It felt more like Gaje wanted to show that FMA can be "tough".

My idea is to either go across the country with stops for interviews and training in various styles pertinent to a real contact stick match (to my mind... FMA sure, but also dirty boxing, and of course grappling) and then finish it with me going to a Dog Brothers Gathering of The Pack in Cali. Recently I thought maybe focussing on the Dog Brothers community in particular might be even better. Go from place to place, train with those guys on the journey and then put it all to the test at the Gathering.

I think that sounds like a good idea for a YT channel or multi part documentary. What do you think?
 
How could I not have posted this here?

It's perfect for a Hype thread on martial arts.




Best line from the vid:

"Stupid, Sexy Gambit."
 
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Well I just had a small metaphorical kick in the nuts.


I got up the guts to contact Marc Denny of the Dog Brothers directly. They have a contact number listed on the site but it's disconnected. I know he is still active. I literally saw a video about ANOTHER instructor where he gave a testimonial not two days ago that had been posted on Youtube this week.

I have an old alternate method of contact but I'm not sure if it works still. Sent a message. I'll wait to see if it got through.

Thing is if it doesn't I don't know quite how else to send him some kind of direct message. I've been out of the loop so long... I don't really know anyone well enough in the group to contact them to get some other number or some such.

Not the end of the world. It just means what I have planned will have to take a bit longer to get into motion.
 
Some insight into the legend that was Bruce Lee from one of his most accomplished students, Dan Inosanto.





 
Been integrating a lot of Savate kicks, very much on the low line, into my training recently.

Some videos to spread awareness of the art and what it can offer.








 
Seth does it again. Martial Arts channels on YT take note... This is how you do content like this:

 
I miss doing Wing Chun so much. It was so good for my body and mind, and I had a great Sifu.

As soon as my health gets better, - chemotherapy can be really hard - I'll come back!
 
Batghost said:
I miss doing Wing Chun so much. It was so good for my body and mind, and I had a great Sifu.

As soon as my health gets better, - chemotherapy can be really hard - I'll come back!
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Keep punching with your treatment.
 
An interesting video piece by Vanity Fair where a performer tries to learn stage combat in ten hours.

 
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