Why are there no Daredevil style vigilantes??

[kainedamo]

No, I'm not talking about guys with super sensitive hearing.

Awhile ago I was thinking about why there are no super heroes. The most obvious answer is that super powers are probably completely physically impossible.

BUT, you look at some of these guys that do martial arts. There are alot of guys out there who are trained in multiple styles of martial arts. There are some guys who run around rooftops and structures in cities as a hobby and call it free running. And there are guys that mix the two - martial arts and free running. And the stuff these guys pull off is extremely impressive.

These guys are obviously extremely physically fit. But they don't do anything with it. Some of them would enter the UFC compititions or various martial arts contests and win medals and trophys and stuff, which is all well and good.

But you would think there would be at least one of these guys who uses his skills to fight crime. Not on a nightly basis, but maybe like once a week or something. They could even do it in an organised group and kick a serious amount of ass in a very crime ridden part of a city somewhere.

We have teenagers that are insane enough to bring guns into school and shoot people.

But we don't have one single human being whos maybe read one too many comic books and uses his mixed martial arts skills to fight injustice outside of the law??

 

[Kaboom]

bc its called vigilanteism and is illegal

 

[Calvin]

Do you really not understand why that wouldn't work in real life?

 

[kainedamo]

Do you really not understand why that wouldn't work in real life?

The fact that it wouldn't work (it MIGHT work) is irrilevant.

My point is, why is there no one crazy enough to give it a go?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

No, I'm not talking about guys with super sensitive hearing.

Awhile ago I was thinking about why there are no super heroes. The most obvious answer is that super powers are probably completely physically impossible.

BUT, you look at some of these guys that do martial arts. There are alot of guys out there who are trained in multiple styles of martial arts. There are some guys who run around rooftops and structures in cities as a hobby and call it free running. And there are guys that mix the two - martial arts and free running.

These guys are obviously extremely physically fit. But they don't do anything with it. Some of them would enter the UFC compititions or various martial arts contests and win medals and trophys and stuff, which is all well and good.

But you would think there would be at least one of these guys who uses his skills to fight crime. Not on a nightly basis, but maybe like once a week or something. They could even do it in an organised group and kick a serious amount of ass in a very crime ridden part of a city somewhere.

We have teenagers that are insane enough to bring guns into school and shoot people.

But we don't have one single human being whos maybe read one too many comic books and uses his mixed martial arts skills to fight injustice outside of the law??

Once you apply real life logic to it, it falls apart.

For a start, you'd need insider knowledge of where and when crimes will be commited. Ordinary spur-of-the-moment street crimes, you just have to be in the right place at the right time. So that means prowling around dark streets night after night.

Then there is the danger. There is little you can do against someone with a gun, or three guys jumping on you at the same time, and so on.

It just goes on and on. Basically you'd be wasting 95% of your time looking for crimes, and then when you actually got there, unless it was just one or two guys with a knife, you're going to be in trouble.

 

[Golgo-13]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136385

Already been discussed dude. Most round here, besides me, think it's stupd.

 

[Calvin]

The fact that it wouldn't work (it MIGHT work) is irrilevant.

My point is, why is there no one crazy enough to give it a go?

I'd bet money that there are. Those people get shot in the face. Not exactly nationally newsworthy.

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm sure there are vigilantes around. You always hear of people getting shot on the news, and ppl automatically presume it's from a criminal, when in actuality the person who got killed may have deserved to be killed, and someone just dished out some street justice on their ass.

 

[kainedamo]

Once you apply real life logic to it, it falls apart.

For a start, you'd need insider knowledge of where and when crimes will be commited. Ordinary spur-of-the-moment street crimes, you just have to be in the right place at the right time. So that means prowling around dark streets night after night.

Not necasserily. For one thing, if you live in a small community that has a problem of drug dealing for example, the chances are that EVERYONE knows who the drug dealers are, where they hang out, etc. Heck, the chances are even the police know about it. I read one news story about a guy who broke into a drug dealers home, wrecked the place, stole his drug money and drugs, and intended to get rid of the stuff. It was all an attempt to scare the drug dealer into quitting. The guy got arrested though. So, in a case like that of a small community, it wouldn't be difficult AT ALL to find out who are the trouble makers.

And, if a vigilante was very serious about what he wanted to do, there are ways he can find out the "hot spots" of crime, and who to watch. I watched a documentary where ex-SAS men went around a neighbourhood in a car, taking pictures and stuff of trouble makers. You don't have to run around rooftops and skulk about in shadows waiting for stuff to happen if you're serious about it.

Then there is the danger. There is little you can do against someone with a gun, or three guys jumping on you at the same time, and so on.

It just goes on and on. Basically you'd be wasting 95% of your time looking for crimes, and then when you actually got there, unless it was just one or two guys with a knife, you're going to be in trouble.

Well, I've established that if a person were serious about it, he'd find ways around "wasting 95% of his time" and effectively finding trouble makers and where they hang out.

As for guys with knifes, etc. Again, if a guy is serious about it, all he has to do is WATCH. Watch and wait, and then wait for the right opportunity to strike. Like the guy who broke into the drug dealers house, only not so stupid and more effective.

 

[kainedamo]

On some level or another, the type of vigilantes I speak of have existed in SOME sort of capacity. Probably not martial artists, but experts of some kind, or just really pissed off members of the community.

But you never, ever hear about it. Either vigilante groups aren't very succsesful or corrupt, or individual vigilantes end up getting themselves killed, or they're not very succsesful, or they don't make a difference, or they're just not considered news worthy.

 

[Keymaker]

Because they can't design a fancy costume.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Because they can't design a fancy costume.

you went for the blind joke...

 

[jaguarr]

jag

 

[Matt]

jag

Exactly. Unlike in movies and comics, bullets shot from 12 feet away seldom miss.

 

[Sun_Down]

you went for the blind joke...

I'm fairly certain that's not even close to what that post meant.

 

[jaguarr]

Exactly. Unlike in movies and comics, bullets shot from 12 feet away seldom miss.

And, the cops are just as likely to shoot a vigilante as a criminal is. And unlike in movies and comics, most trained marksmen (like cops) rarely miss once they've drawn their weapon and fired. At the very least, a Daredevil wannabe would get his ass tazered multiple times before being cuffed and stuffed and then arraigned. Cops don't like people trying to do their jobs for them.

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

And, the cops are just as likely to shoot a vigilante as a criminal is. And unlike in movies and comics, most trained marksmen (like cops) rarely miss once they've drawn their weapon and fired. At the very least, a Daredevil wannabe would get his ass tazered multiple times before being cuffed and stuffed and then arraigned. Cops don't like people trying to do their jobs for them.

jag

That AND even if you are facing a bunch of crap shot hoods, they still ALL have guns, most likely pointed at you. So the law of averages isn't exactly in your favor either.

 

[Calvin]

What the news has been hesitant to reveal, is that Sean Bell was in fact a vigilante.

 

[kainedamo]

Exactly. Unlike in movies and comics, bullets shot from 12 feet away seldom miss.

Not every city has kids with guns.

And as I said before, if a vigilante were serious and were smart he wouldn't just skulk about waiting for **** to happen, jumping at guys without knowing if they're armed or not.

I watched a movie called Dead Man's Shoes. Excellent movie, I recommend people watch it. Download it if you have to. Awesome movie. Well, its about this guy who comes home from the Army, the movie hints that he's either ex-paratrooper or ex-SAS. And his mentally disabled brother had been abused by a local gang. So the guy systematically takes them out vigilante style. He does it in a smart way. It's one of the things that makes me wonder "how come this **** never actually happens?".

 

[mrvlknight21]

I agree w/ kainedamo-there would be ways to find out who to take out and where they are. Or, You (the vigilante) could also place yourself in the crime area and wait to become a victim, then fight back...obviously this requires more guts than brains, and a few weapons wouldnt hurt.
We have all heard about stories of some boxer or Marine who gets jumped and ends up kicking the asses of the perps. In fact here is a link to a story-this actually happened in Atlanta.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html

 

[jaguarr]

Not every city has kids with guns.

And as I said before, if a vigilante were serious and were smart he wouldn't just skulk about waiting for **** to happen, jumping at guys without knowing if they're armed or not.

I watched a movie called Dead Man's Shoes. Excellent movie, I recommend people watch it. Download it if you have to. Awesome movie. Well, its about this guy who comes home from the Army, the movie hints that he's either ex-paratrooper or ex-SAS. And his mentally disabled brother had been abused by a local gang. So the guy systematically takes them out vigilante style. He does it in a smart way. It's one of the things that makes me wonder "how come this **** never actually happens?".

That movie is not about vigilantism, it's about revenge. Big difference.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

I agree w/ kainedamo-there would be ways to find out who to take out and where they are. Or, You (the vigilante) could also place yourself in the crime area and wait to become a victim, then fight back...obviously this requires more guts than brains, and a few weapons wouldnt hurt.
We have all heard about stories of some boxer or Marine who gets jumped and ends up kicking the asses of the perps. In fact here is a link to a story-this actually happened in Atlanta.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/9290011/detail.html

There's a difference between a Marine or boxer defending themselves against someone who was unlucky and dumb enough to start something with them and going out and actively hunting "bad people" (which is highly subjective and prone to error and wrongful injury or death of people, and is a large part of why vigilantism is frowned upon).

jag

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

I think Punisher type vigilantes would be more realistic. He doesn't attempt to rehabilitate or turn the criminal over to the police. He would kill them before they kill him. I bet there are a couple floating around, the police just keep it quiet.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I think Punisher type vigilantes would be more realistic. He doesn't attempt to rehabilitate or turn the criminal over to the police. He would kill them before they kill him. I bet there are a couple floating around, the police just keep it quiet.

Well yeah...hit-men and lone gunmen have and do exist.

 

[mrvlknight21]

There's a difference between a Marine or boxer defending themselves against someone who was unlucky and dumb enough to start something with them and going out and actively hunting "bad people" (which is highly subjective and prone to error and wrongful injury or death of people, and is a large part of why vigilantism is frowned upon).

jag

No doubt there is a difference, and I dont want my post to sound like I am condoning vigilantism, I was just saying it is possible to find some of the bad apples and try and handle it yourself. Im a law enforcement guy, so I say let the police do their job, but if it is time to defend yourself, do what is necessary.