The Official UFO, Conspiracy Theories and Supernatural Thread

[rodhulk]

That's a great video and very informative.

I was sitting outside my apartment here in NJ and noticed the same thing. We live close to the airport here and I was looking for airplanes that leave chem trails leaving Newark airport but seen none. But I saw numerous(well.........at least 5)airplanes very high up in the sky spraying these things. And the funny part was, they never sprayed them in close proximity. It was only after the other plane was out of it's vicinity that they started to spray.

Who knows what they are spraying but I do know that growing up, I've never seen so many kids with ADHD and peanut allergies!! With all the cellphones, microwaves, chem trails, and foods containing steroids and who knows what else, no wonder we are seeing an explosion of cancer and all kinds of crap. The thing is if you bring this up to anyone, you will labelled as a "conspiracy theorist" but even a genius ask questions sometimes. I try not to be a sheeple and believe everything I see on tv but come to my own conclusion.

You guys may like this:

May 15, 2014
Commentary & Analysis

by

L. A. Marzulli

Meteorologists Begin To Admit To Climate Engineering

Thanks to Watcher Geoff for bringing this to my attention!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54YX5o4yfLM
The picture on the left is a picture I took near my house in the Santa Monica Mountains. As you can see there are chemtrails all over the sky. I have been in Peru three times now and I have not seen one chemtrail only contrails—the vapor left by jets as they fly.

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“They” are spraying something over American cities and they do it day after day. This new film exposes the unwanted, unlawful spraying of the American people, which is good news to me. The question is, will this film, unlike others before it, create the attention that is needed? Will the American people finally realize that toxic chemicals are being sprayed, on a daily basis, over their heads? Will we the people shout, stop the madness?
This clip shows a meteorologist who tap-dances around the spraying of what he calls “chaff,” which is supposed to be the flares and/or aluminum sprayed out from military aircraft to avoid heat-seeking missiles. He goes out of his way to tell us everything is OK. He then admits on camera, that “they” have software which can erase the radar signal from this chaff!
The obvious question I would ask is this, why does the military need to practice this drill—the spraying of so-called chaff—day after day and why does it accumulate over such a wide area? Guess what? It’s not chaff, it’s something else and the chemicals which are being sprayed with abandon may be creating some nasty diseases, as in the case in California. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/23/polio-like-illness-california/5703827/
In closing todays post: Were chemtrials responsible for the “mysterious polio-like illness in California? What are they spraying over our heads? We the people must put an end to the unwanted spraying of chemicals in our skies.

 

[Hotwire]

I've posted in a different thread about chemtrails. The math simply destroys the concept. The volume of liquid you would need to cover even a small city is so high it's not even remotely feasible.

Enjoy...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25366795&postcount=33

 

[Alex_Spider]

I've posted in a different thread about chemtrails. The math simply destroys the concept. The volume of liquid you would need to cover even a small city is so high it's not even remotely feasible.

Enjoy...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25366795&postcount=33

Well, your math might be right, but the trails those planes leave behind them are surely not just fuel.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Well, your math might be right, but the trails those planes leave behind them are surely not just fuel.

And you know this because? Oh, that's right... There's no proof what so ever. You just want to believe it.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Well... It is a... SMALL world after all.

t:

 

[Hotwire]

Well, your math might be right, but the trails those planes leave behind them are surely not just fuel.

You can follow the link to the original posts to see the video I was referencing. But, here's some more math for you...

So, where's the sample of the cloud from behind that plane? Where's the facility that makes these chemicals?

Here's another one. With a cruising speed of about 500 mph, that much "spraying" would create a cloud about 16 miles long, 180 feet wide, and we'll say, 10 feet deep. Once you figure out the volume, and that the average cloud has a density of about 1.003kg/m3, you'll see that's several millions pounds. I'd work out the math but, you'll ignore it anyway.

As for that NASA picture, that only serves to further prove my point about how impossible it is to spray that much chemicals. Some of those trails are hundreds of miles long. There is no plane capable of carrying the payload it would require to spray that distance.

And, I went ahead and worked out the rest of the math.
The volume of a cloud 16 miles long, 180 ft wide, and 10 ft deep would be a whopping 4,305,972 m3. At a density of roughly 1.003 kg/m3, it would weigh 4,318,890 kg. Now assuming what ever the chemical is weighs about the same as water, 3.785 kg/gallon, that would mean you're dealing with 1,141,054 gallons of liquid. Please, show me ANY aircraft capable of hauling that kind of payload.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
Air crafts propelled with retro engineered Alien technology can.

 

[Hotwire]

^^
Air crafts propelled with retro engineered Alien technology can.

You also have to take into account the space that liquid takes up. I'm guessing that's using alien space/time technology, I'm guessing?

 

[KevanG]

Time Lord technology DUH! Have a bigger space inside a smaller one.

 

[Enriquespy]

And you know this because? Oh, that's right... There's no proof what so ever. You just want to believe it.

Its called fait!!!

Fait in crazy stuff just because it's entertaining!!

 

[Mysteryman]

t:

Indeed, that was Classic!

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

A mysterious zigzagging light appeared in the sky in Hawaii

There's nothing more befuddling than looking up at the sky and seeing a strange light appear out of nowhere. Your adult brain tells you it can't be what you want it to be but when you check with adult-brained officials, they're clueless too. That's what just happened in Hawaii. A mysterious zigzagging light popped up out of nowhere and no one knows what it is.

The Navy says that there were no military operations happening at the time that can explain the light. The US Coast Guard says it's not likely to be distress flares. According to Hawaii News Now, the light first started off really bright and then cut into a zigzag pattern (which you can see above in a photograph taken by Rod Castro Jr.).

Here's a closer shot of it, from Tim Clark:

So if no one knows what's up, I guess I'll just have to consult my own adult brain which rules out UFOs which means it has to be dragons, right? You can see more pictures of the mysterious light here.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/slideshow?widgetid=114581

I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens

 

[Enriquespy]

I vote for dragons.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Dany has finally invaded Westeros!

 

[cherokeesam]

You can follow the link to the original posts to see the video I was referencing. But, here's some more math for you...



And, I went ahead and worked out the rest of the math.
The volume of a cloud 16 miles long, 180 ft wide, and 10 ft deep would be a whopping 4,305,972 m3. At a density of roughly 1.003 kg/m3, it would weigh 4,318,890 kg. Now assuming what ever the chemical is weighs about the same as water, 3.785 kg/gallon, that would mean you're dealing with 1,141,054 gallons of liquid. Please, show me ANY aircraft capable of hauling that kind of payload.

And you've factored in wind speed, direction, humidity, air temperature, and all that? Try again. You're taking a narrow-minded on-paper approach to the problem, and *assuming* everything is operating in a vacuum. It isn't. There's a lot of random involved here.

It only takes one match to burn down half of California. Similarly, just a small amount of chemical sprayed from a cropduster can cover vast acres of fields, and that's from a *very* low altitude. If you take a single C-141 spraytanker and "cropdust" an area from 30,000 feet, you can pretty much blanket an entire city with whatever you're dumping.

Look, you can take your mathematical formulas and say "it couldn't possibly" all you want, but I (and plenty of others) can tell you what our day-to-day experiences with this chemtrail crap is all about. Two to three times a week they're over our houses, and we live in the middle of Boondock, USA. There isn't an airport within 1.5 hours of us in either direction, and even those only see about 5 or 6 commercial planes *a day.* Yet I can count *10-15* planes in the sky at any given time over these woods and hills, spraying back and forth in deliberate chessboard and tic-tac-toe patterns, staying up there for hours at a time dumping their ****.

Come down here to the boonies and sit on the front porch with me any given day and watch the skies with me. "Theoretical" don't enter into it, sir. This is reality.

 

[KevanG]

http://www.skepdic.com/chemtrails.html

As for the 10-15 planes, what type are they? At any given time there could be hundreds of planes in the air over any given state and 1.5 hours by car is very little compared to plane speeds which are on average 600mph.

How do you know they're 'dumping' anything? At 30,000 feet the winds would carry that a huge distance away from where they were dropping it and not in the same direction all the time so any 'dropping' they may be doing would be landing at pretty much random for hundreds of miles in various quantities based on whatever winds/weather is happening in the area.

 

[Hotwire]

And you've factored in wind speed, direction, humidity, air temperature, and all that? Try again. You're taking a narrow-minded on-paper approach to the problem, and *assuming* everything is operating in a vacuum. It isn't. There's a lot of random involved here.

It only takes one match to burn down half of California. Similarly, just a small amount of chemical sprayed from a cropduster can cover vast acres of fields, and that's from a *very* low altitude. If you take a single C-141 spraytanker and "cropdust" an area from 30,000 feet, you can pretty much blanket an entire city with whatever you're dumping.

No, you can't. I've already shown you that the amount of chemical that would be required far exceeds the payload capacity of any aircraft. I've even shown you that the clouds in the videos you linked have a volume far greater than plane "spraying" them.

Please, show me the calculations that support your claims. Take into account that the plane you mention was retired 8 years ago and there were only 285 ever built. It also couldn't carry more that 200,000 lbs of payload. That's only 25,000 gallons. So, again, please show how you can effectively cover 300 square miles with only 25,000 gallons from 30,000 feet up. Keep in mind that the wind you mentioned, which I had purposely removed, will move your spray off target. Also, to help put this in perspective, if 1 inch of rainfall over 1 square mile = 17.37 million gallons of water, and you reduce that to just 1/10,000th you still need 1737 gallons per square mile. The city of Charlotte is 300 square miles. So, for just 1/10,000th of a inch of coverage, you would need 521,100 gallons to achieve it.

Again, please, offer up your own calculations to disprove me. Show me how 25,000 gallons sprayed by a decommissioned plane can effectively cover 300 square miles. FYI, it would only result in .0000048 inches of coverage. That's such a fine mist, you wouldn't be able to see it.

 

[Alex_Spider]

lol people can deny all they want that we are being sprayed with aluminium, barioun and other toxic metals. There is overwhelming evidence everywhere, those toxic materials can be found in the ground in large quantities.
And I am curious if it is all a natural phenomenon and not a conspiracy, why don't the governments and the airforce come out and explain it to the people.
Instead they are not talking about it at all. No mention, like they don't wanna bring it in public talk. I don't get it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10w4lx_millions-of-tons-of-poisonous-aluminum-chemtrails-science-proof_tech

 

[KevanG]

Maybe you and Sam you talk and get your stories together and figure out exactly what is being sprayed on who because you both say we're being sprayed with stuff but for wildly different reasons. Are you both right and we're spraying stuff to poison the entire population for some reason and to save the environment from climate change even though these chemtrail theories have been around since the 60's or earlier before it even got brought up?

Here. It's a basic idea of what contrails are and the basic science behind it. http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html

And here's a wiki page explaining the difference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

 

[Alex_Spider]

Maybe you and Sam you talk and get your stories together and figure out exactly what is being sprayed on who because you both say we're being sprayed with stuff but for wildly different reasons. Are you both right and we're spraying stuff to poison the entire population for some reason and to save the environment from climate change even though these chemtrail theories have been around since the 60's or earlier before it even got brought up?

Here. It's a basic idea of what contrails are and the basic science behind it. http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/class/contrail.html

And here's a wiki page explaining the difference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

I don't know and I don't care why they are spraying. All I know is that toxic metals are contaminating our soil and air.
And again, if this is no conspiracy why don't official figures come out in public and explain it to the people?

 

[KevanG]

And yet officials have come out and said it's nonsense. Repeatedly and yet the rumor perpetuates itself since there is a total lack of evidence and people are 'denying' it by saying it's not happening because it makes no sense to start it in the first place then it MUST be true.

Here's a question: Why would they do it in the first place? What possible reason could they have to try and kill millions of people in really obvious ways? So... Why?

 

[Alex_Spider]

^^ Funny that you guys post scientific links that debunk chemtrails, when there are so many scientists that know all of this stuff you mention and they're also vocal opposers of chem spraying.

 

[Alex_Spider]

And yet officials have come out and said it's nonsense. Repeatedly and yet the rumor perpetuates itself since there is a total lack of evidence and people are 'denying' it by saying it's not happening because it makes no sense to start it in the first place then it MUST be true.

Here's a question: Why would they do it in the first place? What possible reason could they have to try and kill millions of people in really obvious ways? So... Why?

I didn't say that they want to kill millions and I don't know for sure. The most logical explanation that I could give is that they are trying to alter the global warming and the world climate or that they purposively contaminate the soil, so that mega corporations control the crops and food distribution.

 

[KevanG]

You know scientists isn't a catch all for people who are an authority on everything, right? There's lots and lots of different types of scientists in many different fields who have strong opinions on stuff they have less knowledge than you do about things. There's people who called themselves scientists who literally bought degrees online with no study or any type of organization regulating them and they had careers made totally up of BS. Happens more often than you'd think.

So the big question is: Why would they do it in the first place? Can you answer that? Why would they knowingly poison people in case it 'might' make a difference in greenhouse gases? What proof do you have that it's even a factor in it?

 

[Alex_Spider]

You know scientists isn't a catch all for people who are an authority on everything, right? There's lots and lots of different types of scientists in many different fields who have strong opinions on stuff they have less knowledge than you do about things. There's people who called themselves scientists who literally bought degrees online with no study or any type of organization regulating them and they had careers made totally up of BS. Happens more often than you'd think.

Oh, but they can't all be uneducated BS scientists.

So the big question is: Why would they do it in the first place? Can you answer that? Why would they knowingly poison people in case it 'might' make a difference in greenhouse gases? What proof do you have that it's even a factor in it?

I told you.

I didn't say that they want to kill millions and I don't know for sure. The most logical explanation that I could give is that they are trying to alter the global warming and the world climate or that they purposively contaminate the soil, so that mega corporations control the crops and food distribution.