The Official UFO, Conspiracy Theories and Supernatural Thread

Oh, but they can't all be uneducated BS scientists.

And I told you that there is a heck of a lot of them who probably don't have the first idea how to verify anything you've said, never mind find anything solid to back it up besides fourth or fifth hand quotes from people who may or may not exist.

I told you.

And I told you that makes no sense. Ever hear of Occams Razor?

. It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

In absence of any solid evidence, the answer with the least guesswork is usually correct. Can you show me any papers/links/information that have been scientifically reviewed by credited people in the proper fields of study that have shown chemtrails to be true?
 
In absence of any solid evidence, the answer with the least guesswork is usually correct. Can you show me any papers/links/information that have been scientifically reviewed by credited people in the proper fields of study that have shown chemtrails to be true?

Never mind the fact that there is a MUCH more efficient and subtle way to poison large numbers of people unwittingly: contaminate their drinking water.

Hexavalent chromium, a very dangerous carcinogen, is abundant in public water supplies, but the EPA claims it is only dangerous if inhaled, which numerous studies disprove.

Chlorine is an extremely common chemical purposefully put into our drinking water in order to kill bacteria, despite the fact that it is a toxin dangerous to people.

Fluoride is one of the most toxic substances known to man, and the government fluoridates public water. It is also put into everything from processed food, vitamin pills, baby formula, and (obviously) toothpaste, despite there being NO evidence to support its dental benefits. Nearly 70% of the USA's public water contains fluoride.
 
lol people can deny all they want that we are being sprayed with aluminium, barioun and other toxic metals. There is overwhelming evidence everywhere, those toxic materials can be found in the ground in large quantities.
And I am curious if it is all a natural phenomenon and not a conspiracy, why don't the governments and the airforce come out and explain it to the people.
Instead they are not talking about it at all. No mention, like they don't wanna bring it in public talk. I don't get it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1...sonous-aluminum-chemtrails-science-proof_tech
So, now it's metals that are being sprayed. Well, that would certainly increase the weight of the solutions being sprayed. Do you have any idea what kind of parts per million we're dealing with? If so, we can try to calculate just how much these planes can spray.
 
Never mind the fact that there is a MUCH more efficient and subtle way to poison large numbers of people unwittingly: contaminate their drinking water.

Hexavalent chromium, a very dangerous carcinogen, is abundant in public water supplies, but the EPA claims it is only dangerous if inhaled, which numerous studies disprove.

Chlorine is an extremely common chemical purposefully put into our drinking water in order to kill bacteria, despite the fact that it is a toxin dangerous to people.

Fluoride is one of the most toxic substances known to man, and the government fluoridates public water. It is also put into everything from processed food, vitamin pills, baby formula, and (obviously) toothpaste, despite there being NO evidence to support its dental benefits. Nearly 70% of the USA's public water contains fluoride.
I NEVER drink from the tap.
 
You're right. I usually use a glass.
 
Honestly...I believe the sad fact of it all is that the world is far more boring than we want to believe. So we create theories and ideas inspired by our imaginations in order to make the world more interesting and exciting.
 
I NEVER drink from the tap.

You're right. I usually use a glass.

Yeah, but what about the laundry water and the dish washing machines?
The ideal thing is to filter them too to be sure you ain't getting a drop of toxic stuff in your body.

Honestly...I believe the sad fact of it all is that the world is far more boring than we want to believe. So we create theories and ideas inspired by our imaginations in order to make the world more interesting and exciting.

The world is far from boring. Well, that is if you are informed about the hazardous state of the planet.
Genocides, wars, ocean and air pollution, depletion of earth's resources, thousand of nuclear warheads, child labour just to name a few.
How is this "boring" exactly?
 
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You can skip the video and start watching at 08:00.
 
Can you show me any papers/links/information that have been scientifically reviewed by credited people in the proper fields of study that have shown chemtrails to be true?

It's been a week or so, got any of this yet?
 
I see the myth of the hyper-capable government is alive and well. Able to pull off all manner of dastardly conspiracies and keep it all quiet.
 
I don't think he got my water joke either. :( Was it too subtle or too stupid?
 
It's been a week or so, got any of this yet?

lol
I'm too lazy to find links.
The research of experienced activists and witnesses that have traced various toxic staff in their land is a strong evidence for me anyways.
Besides, if we accept that chemtrails truly exist, do you expect that the established scientific community would conduct a credible research and publish it?
 
do you expect that the established scientific community would conduct a credible research and publish it?

Well of course not! It's a known fact that the whole of the "established scientific community" is a servant of the big bad world government conspiracy...
 
Ah, for the sake of fun and to keep the discussion going, I translated some parts from a greek source.

Nikos Katsaros is a distinguished Greek scientist, a research associate in the "Democritus", former President of the Association of Greek Chemists, former Secretary of Research and Technology and former President of Universal Food Authority (EFET)

He states the following.

"If anyone out there is spraying us by air with mysterious aircrafts that are flying often in Greek airspace, then that is hazardous to the environment and the Greek people (that is believed to be "chemical spraying "), but it is done by whom ​​and for what purpose? The revealing interview of Dr.. Katsaros our partner Kostas Papapanagiotou is as follows.

Analyses that were made by certain groups or universities , it was found that the resulting aerial spraying of uranium "veil " contains aluminum particles or barium in amounts that normally should not exist either in soil or in water . Particularly barium is a chemical element that should not be at the ground surface. I point this out .
The planes that leave behind the "chemtrails" , making everyone worried, are usually the type KC 10 KC 135 or not bearing insignia, while nobody knows the departing or landing point

http://www.otyposnews.gr/archives/14608

The National Centre for Scientific Research “Demokritos” (NCSR "Demokritos") is the biggest and most acclaimed research center in Greece, employing over 1,000 researchers, engineers, technicians and administrative personnel. It is a multidisciplinary research center focusing on several fields of natural sciences and engineering and hosting important laboratory facilities. NCSR “Demokritos” spreads over, approximately, 150 acres of land at Aghia Paraskevi, a suburb ten kilometers from the center of Athens, on the northern side of Hymettus mountain. The buildings cover an area of approximately 35.000 m2 (8.6 acres). The main mission of the center is:
 
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lol
I'm too lazy to find links.
The research of experienced activists and witnesses that have traced various toxic staff in their land is a strong evidence for me anyways.
Besides, if we accept that chemtrails truly exist, do you expect that the established scientific community would conduct a credible research and publish it?

I think that in order to have a valid point, beyond scare mongering, some sort of proof is required. You can't tell me that there is not a single person out there with the proper scientific credentials that would even mention that studies down have verified such claims. Not one in tens of thousands world wide?

The established scientific community has supported much more far fetched claims up to the point they were disproven before. Yet no such studies have shown this to have happened.

Read through this article explaining why it would be incredibly difficult to pull this off and how it would be damn near impossible to have kept it quiet this long in the days of wikileaks and cameraphones.

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-plausibility-study/

For what it is worth, I am a Boeing engineer with 20 years of experience in the aerospace industry.
* There are no special tanks anywhere on our airplanes to hold chemicals to be sprayed out.
* There are no spray nozzles on the airplanes either, unless you count the emergency fuel dump nozzles on the widebody jets.
* This can be readily ascertained by simply looking through an airplane before the interior wall panels are installed. Here is a list of all the tanks which are on a jetliner:
** Fuel, potable water, waste water, engine fire suppressant (Halon + other stuff), cargo fire suppressant (just Halon), hydraulic reservoirs. On the new airplanes you will also see tank-like devices which generate nitrogen to inert the fuel tanks.
* Further, there is no room for such stuff to get installed. You would have to carry TONS of liquid to make spray trails independent of the exhaust condensation, and the only liquid we carry tons of is Jet-A fuel.
* In Everett Washington, the Seattle flight museum has a restoration center where you can go see dismantled airplanes being readied for display in the museum. The work is done almost entirely by volunteers. I assume other flight museums have similar workshops. If you can find one where you live, go to the restoration center and see the planes up close. There’s no where to hide a sprayer system where it wouldn’t be seen by maintenance crews.
* The Boeing final assembly plant is open for tours by the public, and VIPs from all over the world can get close-up tours. The airplanes are built in a staggered sequence, so that two airplanes side-by-side are usually being made for two different airlines.

* The majority of Boeing’s production is sold overseas. In fact, the company is the nation’s largest exporter.
* Thus, if a domestic airplane was modified for “chemtrail production” in the factory, it would be as easy as pie for a foreign VIP to walk over and say, “What are these fancy tanks and sprayers on the American plane which aren’t on my airplane?”
* If any airplane WAS modified for chemtrail to add chemtrail sprayers, the thousands of Boeing employees would have to know. I don’t work in Fuels, and I can identify every tank and tube in the wing area.
* If thousands of Boeing employees knew, then so would thousands of supplier employees who go through our factories, thousands of airlines employees who go through our factories, and all the FAA and NTSB and DOT people as well. Also, our airplanes and factories are inspected by the Aviation Authorities of foreign countries (like EASA from Europe) and they would also need to be in on the conspiracy.
* There would simply be too many people involved to prevent this from leaking out. If the chem trail sprayers were being added in the factory, the secret would be out.
* So what if the chemtrail sprayers were being added by an aftermarket shop?
* You’re back to the same problem. It takes hundreds of people to design, build, and install a major modification on a jetliner, and the mod shops are just as open as Boeing is. You wouldn’t be able to keep the secret.
* Further, most airlines have their planes maintained by outside suppliers, who would have to be in on the conspiracy. Those who do their own maintenance do the work in open bays that again would make it easy to view the modification.
* And you have the same problem that you need to get thousands of maintenance people, suppliers, and certification authorities in on the conspiracy. It would have leaked by now. All it takes is one guy with a cell phone camera, and the world would know.
* So what if they somehow managed to do all this stuff anyway? Now you have to realize that somebody, somewhere, has to be pumping TONS of chemtrail chemicals into these mysterious hidden tanks on the airplanes. You would need a fill valve, and a distribution system, and special trucks carrying the chemicals disguised as fuel trucks. That would take thousands more people to be in on the conspiracy.
* One giveaway would be two fuel trucks pulling up to the same jetliner – one with the fuel and one with the chemicals. Remember, we’re talking about tons of liquid here.
* It just doesn’t work – you would need independent chemical fill ports, and somebody, somewhere, would notice.
* And while we’re talking about it, remember that every jetliner pilot has to check the weight of the plane and calculate a talk off runway length and other factors. The charts are the same for every jetliner of a given type, but if there really were chemtrail sprayers, then the charts for those airplanes would have to be different to account for the tons of chemicals that might be on the airplane.
* So, I really don’t think there is any way to hide the sprayers on jetliners. Too many people would have to know, and it would be too easy to detect by passerby.
* So, what if the chemtrail chemicals are in the jet fuel? This wouldn’t require ANY visible modifications to the airplanes, and far fewer people would have to know about the conspiracy.
* This would be harder to refute, BUT, you would have to discard the “on and off” contrails as being caused by pilots turning sprayers on and off. All the fuel on the plane came from the same fuel trucks and the same fuel tanks, so the supposed chemtrail would have to be continuous from takeoff until landing. I think that would have been noticed by now.
* So to my mind, that pretty much eliminates the possibility of using jetliners to create chemtrails.
* Which means you have to be using military jets, and thousands of them, flying unnoticed back and forth on normal commercial routes. So now you have to have all the air traffic controllers in on the conspiracy as well.
* And the planes will again need special tanks for the chemicals, and special fill ports, and special sprayers, and special tanker trucks filling the chemical tanks on the planes, special non-military suppliers delivering the stuff, and you’re right back to the same issue of needing to keep thousands of people from talking.
Bottom line:
You would need a special delivery system on the airplanes.
You would need a special fill system.
You would need independent tanker trucks.
You would need a separate supply chain.
You would need thousands and thousands of people to hold their tongues, and never have even ONE person leave any incriminating evidence in a safe deposit box to be discovered after their deaths.
It ain’t happening.

So... yeah.
 
Well not really. Think Blackwater. People hired to kill yet you really don't hear from them. Not saying what Chemtrails do because I honestly have no idea what they are doing or why, but it's odd. I wouldn't just shoot someone down just because I don't understand or believe what they believe. It's like what Dave Chappelle said: "if we don't understand what someone is saying or doing, it's to easy to just dismiss them and call them crazy. These people ain't crazy. These are strong people. Because A may think 9/11 was just terrorists attacking but B thinks the govt had more to gain from it, does it make them crazy? They just may see something that you don't see.

Anyway, now that that is out of the way, any news on that missing airline? I haven't heard jack about it. And I barely see anything on the news about it at all. MTV has really ruined people today to where people have microwave minds.
 
Well not really. Think Blackwater. People hired to kill yet you really don't hear from them. Not saying what Chemtrails do because I honestly have no idea what they are doing or why, but it's odd. I wouldn't just shoot someone down just because I don't understand or believe what they believe. It's like what Dave Chappelle said: "if we don't understand what someone is saying or doing, it's to easy to just dismiss them and call them crazy. These people ain't crazy. These are strong people. Because A may think 9/11 was just terrorists attacking but B thinks the govt had more to gain from it, does it make them crazy? They just may see something that you don't see.

Anyway, now that that is out of the way, any news on that missing airline? I haven't heard jack about it. And I barely see anything on the news about it at all. MTV has really ruined people today to where people have microwave minds.

Have you watched these?
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^^ I found an old video with eng subs were the acclaimed scientist Nikos Katsaros is speaking about the chemtrails in the beginning.

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Found this hilarious.
The tone of sarcasm in the narrator's voice while she is describing the "noble and heroic" character of Mr. Carlos Arredondo is somethin' else.
Agreeing or disagreeing with the video's point of view, it is certainly very entertaining in a good way.

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I have a conspiracy!

I say that Piper Maru and braincrusher are the same person and that it is a deception by C Lee and Kelly to keep us in the dark about it! For some reason

I give proof in that they both came back on the same day! That's more proof than most things on here give.

 
I have a conspiracy!

I say that Piper Maru and braincrusher are the same person and that it is a deception by C Lee and Kelly to keep us in the dark about it! For some reason

I give proof in that they both came back on the same day! That's more proof than most things on here give.


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See? Not denying it. That means it's proven.
 
Were any of you experimented on when you were abducted by aliens?
 

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