The Official "Watchmen" Fan Rate & Review Thread - Part 1

Watchmen is a perfect example of an adaptation that hits most of the beats of the source material and still completely misses the point of that material: The "car commercial" soundtrack, the sub par acting of Ackerman and gugino et al, the miscast and utterly bland Ozy, the superhuman slo mo fight scenes, the horrible makeup effects on Nixon and SS, the simplistic view of geopolitics and history, the overuse of montages, the constant blaring of classic rock songs, the embarrassing use of "hallelujah" during the over choreographed sex scene.

I did think that the resolution was a good compromise and maybe even better than the original. And I liked much of the costuming and art direction. 6 out of 10 if I turn my brain off and forget about the comic. 4 out of 10 as an adaptation of a classic work.
 
I am not a fan of the original work but the movie made me care about the characters where as I didn't in the graphic novel. my son is a fan of the original work and thought they did a fine job. Enough that we just ordered the director's cut.

I found Ozy just perfect so politely superior and oozing arrogance. As I said, the cast did a great job I thought but as I mentioned the original work misfired for me and I didn't give a rat's behind about the characters in it.
 
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Zack Snyder Responds to Joel Silver’s Watchmen Criticism

Last week, we got an interesting quote from famous producer Joel Silver about director Terry Gilliam's defunct film adaptation of Alan Moore's Watchmen in addition to some criticisms for director Zack Snyder's film, which he called "too much of a slave to the material." Now, in a new interview with The Huffington Post, Snyder and his wife and producing partner Deborah Snyder responded to the criticism.

"If you read the Gilliam ending, it's completely insane," Zack said, referring to the ending where Doctor Manhattan prevents his own creation which causes a lot of changes to the story.

"The fans would have been thinking that they were smoking crack," Deborah Snyder added.

"The fans would have stormed the castle on that one," Zack said. "So, honestly, I made Watchmen for myself. It's probably my favorite movie that I've made. And I love the graphic novel and I really love everything about the movie. I love the style. I just love the movie and it was a labor of love. And I made it because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy. So, finally I made it to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world."
 
I personally love Snyder's version and Gilliams sound like it would have been too far from the source material.

Snyder followed it whenever he could and the movie is brilliant for it IMO. The DC is in my top 5 CBM's ever.
 
I know fanboys will leap on Snyder for daring to even say **** about Gilliam, but he ain't wrong.
 
Well, it sounds like Terry Gilliam would have turned it into the alternate ending of The Butterfly Effect. *shudders* And for the record, I adore Gilliam, but nobody is perfect. I'm not against changes as long as they serve the medium, but that just seems like Gilliam trying to "Gilliam" up the flick.
 
I honestly think Snyder's version would probably be the best version we would have gotten regardless. Some may not like it, but it kept true to the source material as much as it could and I commend Snyder and Co. for the work and the clear amount of love and dedication that went into that film.

I personally really enjoyed it.
 
Gilliam's script was pretty lousy in comparison to Snyder's. And any others, frankly.

The ending reads like he and Hamm literally had no idea how to end the story without using the graphic novel's version of events, so he did the "Hey, comic characters just appeared in the real world through a space/time alteration".

It was pretty lame.
 
Can someone explain this ending more? Or post a link to where I can read about it?
 
Damn I figured people in here would be on Snyder's ass about that. But I agree that in this case he's right. It's not like he's going for Gilliams throat anyway.
 
Can someone explain this ending more? Or post a link to where I can read about it?

This is most of it:

DR. MANHATTAN
Space and time. I finally understand, Laurie. I see it all now.

LAURIE
Jon -- for God¹s sake, what do you see?

DR. MANHATTAN
I see what the watchmaker made. I see the universe!

He lifts his arms; PARTICLES OF LIGHT appear from nowhere and whiz
around his body like superaccelerated fireflies. The lights in the
room dim; it's as if DR. MANHATTAN is absorbing all the power of the
world into his own massive frame.

DR. MANHATTAN
My work here is finished . . .

The others cower. They sense that something large is about to
happen. In the past, JON OSTERMAN is pounding on the glass of the
test chamber; in the present, DR. MANHATTAN reaches out to touch the
tiny hole in time.

He does, and in a BLAZE of BLINDING BLUE LIGHT the tiny rift EXPANDS
into a SHIMMERING FISSURE. DR. MANHATTAN PEELS BACK ITS EDGES AND
STEPS THROUGH . . . INTO THE PAST.

238. INT. TEST CHAMBER - THAT MOMENT

JON OSTERMAN turns away from the observation panel. To his utter
bewilderment, a HUGE BLUE FIGURE -- surrounded by sparks and smiling
gloriously -- has materialized in the chamber behind him.

DR. MANHATTAN
Don't be afraid, Jon. I'll be here with you.

A second before the particle cannons kick in, DR. MANHATTAN steps
forward -- and FUSES WITH JON, their bodies becoming one.

For a moment JON is still visible, with DR. MANHATTAN's frame
surrounding him, like a translucent shield of pure energy; then DR.
MANHATTAN coalesces into a solid protective HUSK around him. As the
chamber begins to glow, a network of HAIRLINE CRACKS spreads across
the shell of his body. BLUE LIGHT spills through the seams; he
spreads his hands -- no in pain, but in triumph; and with a blinding
FLASH, DR. MANHATTAN explodes outward, a million fragments merging
with nothingness . . .

. . . to expose a dumbstruck JON OSTERMAN in his place. The blue
light dims and the chamber reverts to normal. Miraculously, he's
alive -- astonished, but perfectly intact.

239. INT. GILA FLATS TEST LAB - A MOMENT LATER

The timelocked door pops open and JON staggers out into the midst of
his awed colleagues, who've seen everything through the observation
panel.

SCIENTIST
What in the name of God . . .

The SCIENTISTS advance cautiously toward the chamber. JANEY,
sobbing, rushes forward and throws her arms around the dazed JON. As
she clings to him, her face pressed tightly against his chest, he
looks down at his hands; his fist is still closed around . . .

JON
Your watch, Janey. I fixed your watch --

SCIENTIST II
LOOK!!

The SCIENTIST is staring wide-eyed at the rear wall of the chamber .

. . which isn't there. Instead, there's a rippling, irregular
RUPTURE -- a pulsating HOLE IN TIME -- and visible beyond it are
three odd-looking and very frightened figures: DREIBERG, LAURIE, and
RORSCHACH.

240. REVERSE ANGLE - VEIDT'S LAB - THE PRESENT

DREIBERG, LAURIE, and RORSCHACH stare THROUGH the rupture at the
astounded SCIENTISTS.

LAURIE
What happened -- ?

DREIBERG
He saved himself. He changed the past.

LAURIE
Where did he go?

Before DREIBERG can suggest an answer, the cleft in time begins to
THROB and SHIMMER, slowly SEALING ITSELF OFF before their eyes. For
a moment everything's back to normal --

-- and then, to their mounting horror, the room they're in begins to
DISSOLVE AROUND THEM . . . FADING AWAY INTO A BLANK WHITE VOID.
A sudden percussive POP. The white void seems to shrivel around
them, collapsing into a protective bubble of force as they plunge
into . . .

241. EXT. VORTEX EFFECT

DREIBERG, LAURIE and RORSCHACH spinning and tumbling through an
otherdimensional funhouse of sound and color. If space and time
could be compressed into a single extravagant E-ticket joyride, this
would be it. Their bodies contract and distend, warp and elongate;
their tortured mouths emit soundless shrieks; and then, before they
know it, they find themselves deposited --

242. EXT. NEW YORK STREET - NIGHT

-- smack in the middle of a busy intersection. The three of them
materialize from nowhere; a southbound VAN swerves to avoid them,
slamming into a row of parked cars, and a northbound TAXICAB does the
same, knocking over a fire hydrant.

LAURIE
Dan, is this -- is this New York??

DREIBERG
Those cars. What year is this??

LAURIE
Everything's changed --

It's a disorienting world they've landed in. In fact, it's
our world, our New York, and everything -- the cars,
the clothing, the very look of the city -- seems just a trifle out of
whack . . .

RORSCHACH
Hnrrrrr -- we never happened.

BYSTANDERS cluster about, laughing and taunting, highly amused by the
obvious puzzlement of the freakish trio in their midst. There are, of
course, no costumed heroes in our world, and their sudden
presence prompts a Babel of speculation among the onlookers:
Nuts? Fruits? Out-of-work actors?

RORSCHACH takes a swing at one of the curious, who gets a touch too
close, and the mood begins to turn hostile. The CROWD, now grown to
several dozen people, is threatening to block the intersection
altogether; a MOUNTED POLICEMAN rides up on his stallion and blows a
shrill WHISTLE.

DREIBERG
Oh my God, they still ride around on horses!

243. EXT. NEWSSTAND - THAT MOMENT

The same newsstand we've seen all along -- but luckily, here in our
world, the headlines are only mildly discouraging: "RUSSIAN SUMMIT
TALKS COLLAPSE." Like everyone else, our old friend the NEWS VENDOR
is gapin at the ruckus on the street.

NEWS VENDOR
Jesus Christ, it must be Halloween.

His sidekick, the small black KID who reads comic books, points to
the befuddled trio on the street and LAUGHS in gleeful recognition.

KID
BLEEP, man! It's Rorschach! And Night Owl!

NEWS VENDOR
What are you talkin' about?

KID
Superheroes! Check it out!

He thrusts a COMIC BOOK into the NEWS VENDOR's hand and races off to
join the growing throng of rubberneckers. The NEWS VENDOR stares
down at the costumed characters in the comic book -- "WATCHMEN" --
then throws a cockeyed squint at their real-life counterparts on the
street.

KID
All right! They must be on a case.

244. EXT. STREET - THAT MOMENT - NIGHT

HORNS BLARE. ALL TRAFFIC HAS STOPPED. The intersection is mobbed
with curious ONLOOKERS. By now a half-dozen BEAT COPS have arrived
to clear the streets and restore order.

COP I
Break it up! Stand back!

COP II
Come on, you three. If this is some kind of publicity stunt --

DREIBERG, LAURIE, and RORSCHACH have fallen into a tight circle.
They don't know what to expect and they're poised for a brawl. The
taunting crowd gives them plenty of room; even the COPS are hesitant
to advance.

LAURIE
Dan -- what do we do now?

DREIBERG
(panicked)
Wherever we are, it's better than what we left. Backs together --

LAURIE
We'll tell them what's happened. They'll listen to reason, won't
they -- ?

RORSCHACH
They'd better.

And on RORSCHACH's final vicious HISS, we SHOCK CUT TO BLACK.
 
LOL that's actually kind of cool in a really comic book-y way. Too bad they didn't film it for an alternate ending. Would have been awful as the real ending tho

Great set-up for a sequel.
 
Yeah, no thanks to that. I am not a fan of the whole popping up in the real world and they actually ARE comic characters!

Reminds me of Enchanted or that one episode of Goosebumps lol
 
Some say he's too much of a slave to the source material, others say he didn't keep what makes the story good
I don't know how the first thing is bad, or how the second thing is true about a movie simply turning the comic to film, with a slight change in the story start

I'll give it an 8/10
 
LOL that's actually kind of cool in a really comic book-y way. Too bad they didn't film it for an alternate ending. Would have been awful as the real ending tho

Great set-up for a sequel.

Yeah that ending sounds interesting to say the least, I would still rather have what we got though. For me Snyder did it superbly, and still to this day in my top 5 CBMs.
 
I think snyders ending was way better than the original ending. I get why the original ending was done but it definitely has a bigger impact in the movie, I'm my opinion.
 
Sort of. The book had millions of people being driven mad by sudden, grotesque sensations of alien attacks/worlds via psychic attack. But that's hard to portray on film, and not an accessible concept for a lot of people.

I do think the film's ending was a lot more relevant to the overall themes of WATCHMEN as a work.
 
Agreed. The book also had the whole back story of the people ''creating'' the alien without really knowing which they obviously could not show on film due to time.
 
Damn I figured people in here would be on Snyder's ass about that. But I agree that in this case he's right. It's not like he's going for Gilliams throat anyway.

I'm not the Watchmen films biggest fan (I thought it was fair adaptation, but not a great one), but in this case, I think Snyder was right. I think Gilliam is a better overall filmmaker. I don't know if Snyder has a film like Brazil in him. But, his Watchmen was better than Gilliam's would have ended up. So, on that level, I appreciate Snyder's efforts. Even if I find flaws in his adaptation.
 
The theatrical release I give 7/10 the director's cut (which was made with fans
in mind ) I give 8/10.

Now I'm a Watchmen fan from way back, I remember buying a couple of issues back in 1987, on a friend's advice, and being blown away (especially by issue 11, that one really got me).

All in all, I think it was the best adaptation we could expect. Snyder certainly captured
the mood of the film. To be honest I preferred the film's ending, in that the giant squid attack always seemed a bit silly to me as the event that unites mankind and ends the cold war. Snyder and Tse's interpretation, with Dr. Manhattan being framed for the destruction (and multiple cities, not just NYC) made more sense.

Probably, the most iconic scene that I was looking for was the death of the comedian.
Snyder got that spot on. Once I saw that, the film had me. Yeah, there were some bits that were a bit clunky, but all in all, it was good.
 
Didnt like it at first, but watching it again I recognize its a pretty great movie. Snyder missed a few beats here and there, but its a love letter to the genre and the story and it has a cultish feel to it, I really dig it now.
 
I saw this movie twice in theatres and haven't seen it since.

I can find the director's cut for pretty cheap around town, but I remember there was an even longer cut with the animated feature added to the film.

Can someone who has seen all the different cuts provide insight into which one is the version to own?
 
The blu Ray ultimate cut is the way to go, but it's extremely long. And I do wish they made The Black Freighter look more like a comic, and not a cartoon.
 

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