The Official Writer & Storyline Thread

[X Knight]

right. And besides focusing on Jor-El, how bout focusing a little more on Lara, as well. Show that baby Kal-El had 2 loving birth parents, which makes their sacrifice/death and sending him away all that more painful and sad.....

oh....and how bout keeping BOTH KENTS ALIVE! This time, DON'T KILL JONATHAN!

After all, Supes already lost both his birth parents. Plus, it would be a nice change of pace to have a superhero who wasn't "driven" to become a hero due to the direct death of a love one(s).

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I've been asking for a new krypton since I was 10. I'm tired of seeing a frozen wasteland ruled by arrogant white dudes wearing night gowns...

"My friends you know me to be neither rash nor impulsive..."

That sort of dialogue was meant to explain how Kryptonians are supposedly thousands of years ahead of us. "Superman: the Movie" scribe Tom Mankiewicz deliberately wrote Jor-El's dialogue to be very stilted and elegant...almost Biblical, according to him.

 

[Brainiac58]

A mature movie sounds great. A dark Superman sounds like a bad idea. I agree 100% that dark works great for Batman but that you need to play up the inspirational angle with Superman. Bring on some major bad guys!

 

[lujho]

"Movies like 300 have proved that physical size can be convincingly faked through CG"

Umm... what the ****? Why do people think this? What kind of mental deficient thinks the muscles in 300 were somehow digitally enhanced? They just used buff guys FFS!

 

[DarkSuperman]

right. And besides focusing on Jor-El, how bout focusing a little more on Lara, as well. Show that baby Kal-El had 2 loving birth parents, which makes their sacrifice/death and sending him away all that more painful and sad.....

oh....and how bout keeping BOTH KENTS ALIVE! This time, DON'T KILL JONATHAN!

After all, Supes already lost both his birth parents. Plus, it would be a nice change of pace to have a superhero who wasn't "driven" to become a hero due to the direct death of a love one(s).

Excellent, my friend. Two other points I forgot to mention. Thanks for putting that in. You're right, his mom needs some props too. And having both kent's worked out quite well for Lois & Clark on tv they were one of the best parts of the show! Why does everybody always have to die? His parents haven't been dead in the comics for years! In fact...having dead really just annoys me. He's already lost a whole planet, his birth parents, and the whole world thinks he's a nerd...does he have to be an orphan too?! Damn, cut the man a break!

That sort of dialogue was meant to explain how Kryptonians are supposedly thousands of years ahead of us. "Superman: the Movie" scribe Tom Mankiewicz deliberately wrote Jor-El's dialogue to be very stilted and elegant...almost Biblical, according to him.

I'll give that to you, when I was a kid it was all very cool and grandiose. However, now that I'm an adult I'd like to see something new. Possibly have Jor-El be the most passionate man on the planet so he stands out. While others are being all tight assed Jor-El should be the one being loud and making his voice heard, which could possibly lead to him annoying the council and them ignoring him out of spite.

Sort of a squeaky wheel gets sent to the phantom Zone thing...

I can totally see Jor-El being the most outspoken and passionate on the planet, while everyone else is very boring and arrogant.

 

[Hole Shot]

Nolan got an enormous amount of heat for not using Elfman's music. Everyone universally agreed that the score was one of the best things about Burton's Batman. I remember videos of people putting the teaser and trailer for BB to Elfman's score. People incessantly complaining about it.

But he definitely made the right decision b/c that score was synonymous with Burton's Batman. He was trying to redefine the character distinct from Burton's and changing the music went a long way with that. The same thing needs to happen with Superman. As good as the Williams score is they must replace it if they want to redefine the character away from the Donner films.

Straight up listening with no connection to Batman just as music, I prefer Elfman's score. However, I think as related to their movies the Zimmer score fits Nolan's Batman better than Elfman's would have. Elfman's theme is the more heroic sounding theme but Zimmer's has more of the suspensful thriller sound that's consistent with Nolan's film.

If that makes any sense.

 

[the gael]

the guy who made the list is 100 % right. Stick to it and you may have a great superman movie.

 

[Ocramed]

Agree with most here EXCEPT the desire to get rid of John Williams score and frozen Krypton. If that's the case, you might as well get rid of the theme for "Star Wars", "Star Trek", "Terminator", etc. They are too established in pop-culture to get rid of (which is why they used a part of the theme from the TV Hulk for the recent film). They changed the theme and style in Batman because it became associated with the campy style of the first four Batman films. In that regard, there was a NEED for a change in order to bring the Bat franchise back to its roots as a crime drama. Superman has always been on the fantastical side, but the humor was secondary. As for Krypton, I LIKE the alien contrast between Krypton and Earth.

So, no, KEEP the Williams score and the crystal Krypton. THOSE elements were cool.

 

[Motown Marvel]

if a reboot is the route being taken, this is a pretty decent guide to go by. it did make me cringe though at the idea of condoning CGI muscles....ugh.

 

[Timstuff]

Alright I'll bite: how is Donner's origin story different from the comic book (which I admit I don't read a lot of)?

Pa Kent dying, for one.

 

[MaceB]

This list really demonstrates why WB has been all turned upside about this project. They want to do something new and exciting with the character, but there are certain aspects of the previous films that no one wants to let go of. WB would like to have their cake and eat it too: reboot the series, but keep the score, etc. ... but I really hope they reject that impulse. Superman I and II were both really sweet, but they are in the past and we have to let them go completely in order to give Superman room to grow. I personally liked SR, because I think Singer got the character right (despite the fact that its the kind of character other people don't like) ... but its biggest problem was that it didn't know whether it should be a new Superman movie or just a rehash of the originals. WB has to be brave on this one and go completely new.

 

[Hole Shot]

Are they asking for a reboot or just eliminate Returns but remain within the Donner franchise with some tweaks?

 

[smooth3006]

they MUST keep the same superman score for any future film. i get goosebumps every time i hear it. honestly when i saw the incredible hulk when banner first turned and his eyes turned green it gave me chills. the only thing it was lacking was the tv show chimes that occur. the point is don't mess with success. t:

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

A darker superman movie with a score like williams wont work. I mean it doesnt make any sense to try something new and then bring back parts of the old.

 

[Prison Mike]

I agree with you. Make a new origin film for a new generation with new music, an original movie (what a concept!) with all the other traits that IGN mentioned. That would be perfect.

I agree 110%

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

This article is a bit stupid and naive. It asks for a new Superman for a new audience but then goes on to say that you should bring the original theme back and that the actors have to have respectful resemblances to Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder who supposedly are the template of what the characters look like today.

When DC says darker, I believe they are talking about making the presentation of the movie in a modern setting, with modern themes and characters. Superman cant be presented as a the guy holding the american eagle boyscout type because that wont translate well into a movie the general audience will pay to see repeatedly. The previous score and stylistic details of the previous movies are no longer accepted by an audience that is more sophisticated. Bringing them back would be a VERY big mistake. If you are looking at doing at a reboot in style with the hulk reboot, you cannot bring over any of the previous elements that creates association to the previous films for obvious reasons.

 

[darkseid26]

i just hope we don't get a fortress in the jungle

 

[teseract]

IGN is 100% right. Keep the origin and music and go wild with everything else, that would be the way to go, A shame it won't be happening.

 

[Coleman Reese]

This article is a bit stupid and naive. It asks for a new Superman for a new audience but then goes on to say that you should bring the original theme back and that the actors have to have respectful resemblances to Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder who supposedly are the template of what the characters look like today.

When DC says darker, I believe they are talking about making the presentation of the movie in a modern setting, with modern themes and characters. Superman cant be presented as a the guy holding the american eagle boyscout type because that wont translate well into a movie the general audience will pay to see repeatedly. The previous score and stylistic details of the previous movies are no longer accepted by an audience that is more sophisticated. Bringing them back would be a VERY big mistake. If you are looking at doing at a reboot in style with the hulk reboot, you cannot bring over any of the previous elements that creates association to the previous films for obvious reasons.

 

[batman44]

i just hope we don't get a fortress in the jungle

I would actually skip on the Fortress of Solitude if the film is the origin or early days of Superman.

 

[Superark]

I don't mind if they change the FOS for the reboot, although IMO it will always be the best version as it has a timeless feels to it. However, they cannot get rid of the Williams score!

I know a lot of people believe people will associate it with Donner's movies, but honestly I don't thats the case. I think most people simply associate that theme to Superman and that's it.

When people hear that theme they don't go, "Hey its the Richard Donner Superman music." People think "Superman". This Williams score is the perfect theme. Have someone do what Ottman did or just hire Williams.

I remember when John Smoltz threw his 3000 strikeout and they started blaring the Williams Superman theme over Turner Field. Man I got goosebumps!

 

[dark_b]

I don't mind if they change the FOS for the reboot, although IMO it will always be the best version as it has a timeless feels to it. However, they cannot get rid of the Williams score!

I know a lot of people believe people will associate it with Donner's movies, but honestly I don't thats the case. I think most people simply associate that theme to Superman and that's it.

When people hear that theme they don't go, "Hey its the Richard Donner Superman music." People think "Superman". This Williams score is the perfect theme. Have someone do what Ottman did or just hire Williams.

I remember when John Smoltz threw his 3000 strikeout and they started blaring the Williams Superman theme over Turner Field. Man I got goosebumps!

when people hear the Williams score they also think about C Reeve. and thats nto a good thing when you reboot superman.

 

[DieSmiling]

Guys, you can't reboot without getting a new score. You need a new score. It's the same as Batman -- nobody could imagine a good Batman movie without Elfman's score... Until they got one.

 

[Cousin Itt]

I almost want a sequel so I can see Doomsday eat that annoying kid.

 

[Superark]

when people hear the Williams score they also think about C Reeve. and thats nto a good thing when you reboot superman.

i believe thats true to an extent, but in my opinion Chris Reeve will always be in folks' mind to some degree.