The Official Writer & Storyline Thread

[Stompbox]

If James Bond got to retain his theme after numerous actors why can't Superman?

 

[dark_b]

If James Bond got to retain his theme after numerous actors why can't Superman?

if batman could get a new theme ....why cant superman?

 

[CGHulk]

Well there's many Batman themes. There's been many Superman themes, from Superman Doomsday, Lois and Clark, TAS, The Adventures of Superman, The Fliescher cartoons. I say why not something new, I'm sure I've left alot of others out as well! There has been no Bond cartoon or live action TV shows or old black and white Bond movies over the years.

 

[dark_b]

willliams march is very popular.
but in a darker themed superman movie it would not fit. even in a happy superman it can not fit if the whole tone is different.

 

[CGHulk]

willliams march is very popular.
but in a darker themed superman movie it would not fit. even in a happy superman it can not fit if the whole tone is different.

Well Danny Elfman's Batman theme was very poplular too, now we have Hans Zimmers and James Newton Howards fantastic scores for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight!

 

[dark_b]

Well Danny Elfman's Batman theme was very poplular too, now we have Hans Zimmers and James Newton Howards fantastic scores for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight!

but i dont think that the ew scores will have such an impact.
i think that NOlan uses the music in the background.
while elfmans music was in your face. like it was on top of everything.

 

[Alien Anal]

yeh give us a new song to be excited about hearing

we already have the williams theme
it wont dissolve if we got something new

 

[DavidTyler]

Alright I'll bite: how is Donner's origin story different from the comic book (which I admit I don't read a lot of)?

Krypton was not a crystal planet. It was a lush, green place with it's own exotic flaura and fauna (did I spell those right? I'm a bit tired).

Jor-el was not a geriatric old man with white hair (Brando)... he was about the same age as Clark is now when he sent baby Kal off. While Byrne and Wolfman had a society that didn't have couples, all versions had Jor-el as a younger man.

Krypton had very futuristic technology and baby Kal-el was sent off into space in a true ship.... not a crystal chandolier.

The accepted canon now is that Clark's powers developed slowly (another Byrne/Wolfman touch).

Originally both of the Kents passed on. Donner had Jonathan pass on. In all of the current comics, the Kents are alive and well and an integral part of Clark's adult life.

The Fortress of Solitude was not a bizarre crystaline structure with oddly jutting supports. It was a place Supes carved out of an arctic mountain.

Jor-el didn't train Kal-el ... neither on his journey to Earth nor once he reached adulthood. It just didn't happen.

Since there was no cyrstaline Krypton.. there were no crystals with the stored memory of Krypton.

 

[CGHulk]

yeh give us a new song to be excited about hearing



we already have the williams theme

it wont dissolve if we got something new

Yeah I love the Superman Doomsday theme, and I loved the Lois and Clark theme back when I was a teenager. Who doesn't love the Max Fliescher theme!

 

[Lestat74]

Krypton was not a crystal planet. It was a lush, green place with it's own exotic flaura and fauna (did I spell those right? I'm a bit tired).

Jor-el was not a geriatric old man with white hair (Brando)... he was about the same age as Clark is now when he sent baby Kal off. While Byrne and Wolfman had a society that didn't have couples, all versions had Jor-el as a younger man.

Krypton had very futuristic technology and baby Kal-el was sent off into space in a true ship.... not a crystal chandolier.

The accepted canon now is that Clark's powers developed slowly (another Byrne/Wolfman touch).

Originally both of the Kents passed on. Donner had Jonathan pass on. In all of the current comics, the Kents are alive and well and an integral part of Clark's adult life.

The Fortress of Solitude was not a bizarre crystaline structure with oddly jutting supports. It was a place Supes carved out of an arctic mountain.

Jor-el didn't train Kal-el ... neither on his journey to Earth nor once he reached adulthood. It just didn't happen.

Since there was no cyrstaline Krypton.. there were no crystals with the stored memory of Krypton.

Well, it all comes full circle, because Geoff Johns has inserted a lot of the movie iconography into official DC lore now. Krypton is now a crystaline world like the movies, the Fortress looks similar to the movies as well, and Jor-El's hologram trained Clark.

He added his own touches though, Jor-El is not as old for example ( and bearded ) and he altered much of the backstories and motivatios for Zod, Ursa and Non. He infused some silver age stuff as well, with Clark being Superboy again ( well, sorta...he was Smallville's urban myth, the "Super-Boy" ) Johns has done what the reboot film should do...acknowledge what the popular versions of these characters are that the public knows ( in other words, the films ) and put his own modern spin on them.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

IGN hit the nail on the head! One thing I would do is have Alex Ross do some art to show the Supes origins during the opening credits.

John Williams needs to score the movie.

Regarding Lex. He needs to be in the movie. But, not as the main bad guy. Have him be the reason Supes is fighting the bad guy. ie-He creates Metallo or he somehow contacts Brainiac.

 

[Frontier]

So, what with WB wanting to cash in on The Dark Knight's tone and expand it out to other franchises, the real question I've got right now is: what is Superman's darkest story?

To me, I would think it to be Superman Doomsday. I mean, you can't get much more dark than Superman being killed, can you?

What other 'dark' stories are out there?

Ideally, I'd say WB should just adapt Doomsday in some fashion. Perhaps with a re-title for the film, so it doesn't conflict with the recent animated film - call the new film "The Death of Superman" or something. Something that gets the point across. Use the bloody S logo. Would also be a bit symbolic, if you think about it. WB are, in effect, killing their most recent incarnation of Superman in order to re-introduce him.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?, Action Comics #775 are in my favorites. Not Dark but with serious themes.

 

[gimmen64]

I'd love to see the Death and Return of Superman a trilogy. That's Superman at his best.

 

[Deaths Head II]

The Death and Return of Superman. Not just because Doomsday beat Superman to a pulp, but Cyborg wiping out an entire city, Eradicator toasting criminals, Steel trying to stop street wars involving guns that exploded people into many tiny pieces, and many other things. They even showed a kid exploding in Steel's story. I read that as a kid and it blew my mind, being used to the upbeat nature of most Superman incarnations. I became a regular Superman reader after that. Though of course as I grew I appreciated the character for other reasons.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I so don't want to see The Death of Superman trillogy. Haven't read all of it but it sounds like a mess.

 

[Sam]

So, what with WB wanting to cash in on The Dark Knight's tone and expand it out to other franchises, the real question I've got right now is: what is Superman's darkest story?

Kingdom Come!!

 

[Franklin Richards]

Off the top of my head, I'd have to say when he executed the Phantom Zone villains in the 80's.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Kingdom Come is a good choice. Death of Superman was done in Supermanoomsday.

 

[batlovescatDC]

Death of Superman. But I honestly doubt that they are going to do a straight adaptation of a certain comic book/storyline. I don't think that they are actually going to make Superman DARK. I think they know that Superman isn't Batman, and going that dark with Superman just doesn't work. I just think that they'll do with this new Superman movie what Nolan/Goyer and Co. did with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.... take different elements/stories/characters from certain popular comic books and use those to form the story/film. That's what I think they'll do and what I certainly hope that they do.

 

[KaptainKrypton]

I so don't want to see The Death of Superman trillogy. Haven't read all of it but it sounds like a mess.

Only because of the numbers of characters that were involved in it at the time. It could be pared down in terms of the numbers of characters involved and if written well would be amazing in terms of scope and scale. Just so long as they left out the Super-Mullet.

 

[Crook]

Only because of the numbers of characters that were involved in it at the time. It could be pared down in terms of the numbers of characters involved and if written well would be amazing in terms of scope and scale. Just so long as they left out the Super-Mullet.

I've read the story, and yeah....it's a mess.

I say if they were to do "Death of Superman", adapt only the most important aspects of the story (Doomsday and Supes in a city-battle, where Supes "dies") and change everything else up in a way that it's fit for a movie. The original story isn't all the great at all, and probably any modern re-interpretation of that story would work better anyway.

 

[TheBatman1979]

I still don't know why people like "The Death of Superman". It's a terrible, ill conceived story. Action Comics #775, "What ever happened to Truth, Justice and the American Way", is a beautiful story that deals with what Superman would do if he thought someone had killed Lois. "For the Man who has everything" is an awesome story that includes Mongul, and both are better written and have more mature themes than "The Death of Superman".

Why base a movie off a series of issues that were designed to sucker people into buying multiple copies for no apparent reason?

It'd be like making the next Batman film based off "Knightfall", you might as well have Joel Shumacher direct again.

 

[CFE]

I think people are throwing around the term "dark" WAY too much...and unecessarily.

It's not a matter of "The Dark Knight" being 'dark.'

I think it's the facts that "The Dark Knight" is adult without being obscene and complex without being difficult to follow that Warners needs to bring to its other cast of DC characters.

A dark Superman? God no, that sounds like s**t.

An adult and complex Superman? Let's give it a shot...

CFE

 

[markaudette]

You can't do the Doomsday storyline in the movies. Especially not after Superman Returns, having Bryan tease us all with Superman's possible death after falling back to Earth. The Death of Superman storyline would just be too much of a similarity to certain elements in "Superman Returns."