BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread

[Wise]

If he were a hired gun, like many directors on tv, I'd have no problem with him. The thought of Snyder and Goyer calling all the shots on ANY film should concern even the most optimistic fanboy. Assuming they have reasonable standards that apply to all films equally.

He's not an auteur which is fine. But WB, in their desperation, seems to be treating him like one. Not a good sign.

I actually prefer it when Superhero films aren't given to Auteurs. The films are very interesting, but they aren't the best at adapting the source material. Case in point Batman 89/Returns, Nolan Trilogy.

Favreau and Whedon aren't Auteurs and they delivered films that were massively entertaining and very accurate to the source material.

The last thing I'd want to see would be a Batman film by David Fincher or Darren Arranofsky (Which we almost got). They'd be great films visually and thematically, but they just wouldn't be the comic book.

 

[Wise]

I'm sorry, but this kinda reeks of being in denial.

What does? I don't think Snyder makes good movies when he's paired with subpar writers.

Case in point Suckerpunch and MoS (Which I thought wasn't bad but was just above average.)

But give Snyder a good script and he can make very entertaining movies like DoTD, 300 and Watchmen, which personally I very much enjoyed.

That's not denial. It's just personal taste.

 

[jmc]

While true, there have been flashes of greatness with his storytelling. Watchmen is a prime example. Not everyone agrees but he managed to convert a 12 issue graphic novel into 2.5 hours and made it very presentable. The Director's Cut, in my honest opinion, is one of the greatest CBMs of all time.

I fully agree Snyder is capable of flashes of brilliance, I will agree 100%, MoS has plenty. But therein lies the problems, it's flashes mixed in a web of inconsistency and sometimes pure dumbness. I can see why people have so much trust in Snyder because of those glimpses. The problem I feel as if he's giving fans false hope, and as such they are blaming everything other than the man himself for the issues with his films. At some point you have to ask whether he is the problem.

 

[Masone]

Man of Steel
300

Oh wait, those are reasons it's a good thing he's directing JL. Apologies, wrong thread.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Yeah, but Snyder's is story related, the most important aspect of the film.

I wouldn't say that. IMO, Snyder's main weakness is directing down (or up, but that wouldn't count as a weakness) to the quality of his script. If he has a good script, he doesn't have any big weaknesses.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Man, I hope Darkseid is the villain. A Snyder directed Superman/ Darkseid battle would be SO EPIC.

Getting Darkseid before Thanos would be awesome

I'm gonna get flack for this, but if he is under the influence of truly inspired writers and producers (like the ones that appear in animation), we'll not only want him in the chair..but miss him when he ISN'T there.

I don't think he knows exactly what doesn't work, but tries to be respectful of the source material within his own understanding of it (Watchmen and 300).

And you can't say that the excess, hypersexualization, and racism isn't in the spirit of Frank Miller (talking about 300 2, which he partly wrote) :P

Snyder jumped aboard MOS late in the game and had to ask Nolan to change the ending. I do think he changed some story stuff, though it seemed like he was limited in what he could do.

Nolan on MOS: "I was the guardian of the story, keeping it to the original conception of how we saw it.”"


While I would have preferred the phantom zone ending (it would have made the ending more upbeat), I do think Superman's decision was as well depicted as it could have been. I do think MOS2/JL prequel will be more comic-bookish, perhaps BECAUSE Zack is getting more creative control.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Snyder might be the best visual director in Hollywood. The cinematography in his films is breathtaking.

 

[Boom]

Admittedly, with how great Godzilla is looking, I was kind of hoping WB would have given Gareth Edwards a look for this job.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was messing around in the community section most of the day and totally missed this info about JL.

But MAN am I stoked that this is official.

 

[DeadPresident]

Some films can get elevated by a director who knows how to get the most out of the story.

By that logic a good driver can make a beat up Datsun as fast as a Porsche.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Snyder will also probably never have a sexual abuse lawsuit filed against him so that's another positive...

 

[jmc]

By that logic a good driver can make a beat up Datsun as fast as a Porsche.

Yeah, that's a dumb analogy and you know it.

 

[roach]

Admittedly, with how great Godzilla is looking, I was kind of hoping WB would have given Gareth Edwards a look for this job.

If Godzilla does as well as I think it will he's gonna be busy with more Godzilla films

 

[Boom]

If Godzilla does as well as I think it will he's gonna be busy with more Godzilla films

I genuinely hope it's as good as it looks. After watching interviews with him, I really like the guy. I wish him nothing but success.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yeah, that's a dumb analogy and you know it.

Not really. This would all be simpler if you just came out and said you disliked Snyder's work instead of trying to hide behind pseudo-arguments as to why it's "objectively" bad.

The nay-sayers of this project use the most asinine arguments and logic to try and discredit those involved.

 

[The Batman]

Zack Snyder does not inspire me with confidence.

When's the last time he made a film that didn't have people divided on it? He is a flawed and inconsistent filmmaker. Is that really the guy who should be making the first onscreen Justice League film?

I mean, yeah...the film will most likely be visually stunning. But will it actually be good? Or is it gonna end up being another Zack Snyder film where half the fans hate it, the other half act like its this great serious masterpiece, the critics tear it to shreds, and the General Audience likes it cause its visually stunning and has cool action scenes?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

By that logic a good driver can make a beat up Datsun as fast as a Porsche.

I've done that. Kicked the porche's arse. It was parked, but that's not the point.

 

[DeadPresident]

I've done that. Kicked the porche's arse. It was parked, but that's not the point.

 

[hafizbat]

Zack Snyder does not inspire me with confidence.

When's the last time he made a film that didn't have people divided on it? He is a flawed and inconsistent filmmaker. Is that really the guy who should be making the first onscreen Justice League film?

I mean, yeah...the film will most likely be visually stunning. But will it actually be good? Or is it gonna end up being another Zack Snyder film where half the fans hate it, the other half act like its this great serious masterpiece, the critics tear it to shreds, and the General Audience likes it cause its visually stunning and has cool action scenes?

I agree with what you're saying, but maybe Snyder's visual talents are enough for a Justice League film. Like The Avengers showed, it doesn't take a great, complex masterpiece of a story to be a big success. The spectacle alone works for these big team-ups, and Snyder handling the Justir League is sure to be an enormous spectacle.

If the story is halfway decent, WB can pull it off.

 

[slumcat]

By that logic a good driver can make a beat up Datsun as fast as a Porsche.

This analogy doesn't compute. A better example would be a good mechanic can make a good decent car out of a beat up engine.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Zack Snyder does not inspire me with confidence.

When's the last time he made a film that didn't have people divided on it? He is a flawed and inconsistent filmmaker. Is that really the guy who should be making the first onscreen Justice League film?

I mean, yeah...the film will most likely be visually stunning. But will it actually be good? Or is it gonna end up being another Zack Snyder film where half the fans hate it, the other half act like its this great serious masterpiece, the critics tear it to shreds, and the General Audience likes it cause its visually stunning and has cool action scenes?

give him a good script and I think we're gonna see his best film yet.

WB is all in with this film series, I really doubt they will settle for less than the absolute best they can get.

 

[jmc]

Not really. This would all be simpler if you just came out and said you disliked Snyder's work instead of trying to hide behind pseudo-arguments as to why it's "objectively" bad.

The nay-sayers of this project use the most asinine arguments and logic to try and discredit those involved.

What do you mean pseudo-arguments? I can objectively tell you why his films are flawed, hell even some fans agree with some of those shortcoming observations. It's nothing personal against him, and you don't have to agree, hell I can seem glimpses of what he's capable of and why people like him, but I don't give the man as much credit as others because of his shortcomings in the story and pacing department.

 

[slumcat]

I agree with what you're saying, but maybe Snyder's visual talents are enough for a Justice League film. Like The Avengers showed, it doesn't take a great, complex masterpiece of a story to be a big success. The spectacle alone works for these big team-ups, and Snyder handling the Justir League is sure to be an enormous spectacle.

If the story is halfway decent, WB can pull it off.

The Avengers worked because of its script. It had a very basic story structure but it navigated that with finesse... easily juggling various characters and strands with dialog full of zingers that brought the house down and bravura action sequences.

But the long central section of the film was just the heroes sitting around and talking/arguing. THAT portion worked solely on the charisma and strength of the performances and the writing. Infact people felt that Avengers was like a TV movie. So its strengths were more ingrained than just visuals.

 

[John-An]

This analogy doesn't compute. A better example would be a good mechanic can make a good decent car out of a beat up engine.

 

[The Batman]

I agree with what you're saying, but maybe Snyder's visual talents are enough for a Justice League film. Like The Avengers showed, it doesn't take a great, complex masterpiece of a story to be a big success. The spectacle alone works for these big team-ups, and Snyder handling the Justir League is sure to be an enormous spectacle.

If the story is halfway decent, WB can pull it off.

But the thing about The Avengers is that for all its simplicity, Avengers is actually a good film. Its not Transformers level quality like some would like to believe. Its definitely more satisfying than most of the films Snyder has made.