The Ongoing Bought/Thought! 2013

Good to know that the characters that survive get some focus. I imagine Mettle and Red Raven didn't get much time to develop.



It won't be. Unless a new character has appeared in some alternate media, they're expendable fodder. It's been true of the GENERATION X cast and no end of "newer" characters since. Most of the NEW MUTANTS cast are expendable and they were "new" about 30 years ago. And that cast is about the peak when it comes to "newer" characters.

So, X-23 and Reptil are safe. They've appeared in animation, sold some toys, etc. Everyone else is expendable. AVENGERS ARENA literally killed the black guy first, with no sense of irony. That alone should say it all.

Newer characters never come back. The one exception was Gravity, and that was because the writer who axed him (Dwayne McDuffie) also decided to bring him back because editorial whims had changed and the death had been wasted. The plan had been to kill him off in BEYOND! and reintroduce him as a new Captain Marvel. But then editorial switched gears and decided to launch a new CAPTAIN MARVEL mini during the lead up to SECRET INVASION and make him a Skrull. So, thus, the death was wasted and McDuffie could have just shrugged, but since he was doing a run on FF anyway, he chose to undo it there. Most writers, though, aren't Dwayne McDuffie.

I always felt the younger characters in Marvel should be self aware enough to form a subculture. In which they all collectively know that certain big figures are immortal and unkillable, who always return given enough time no matter how absurd or definitive a death they have. They should be aware that Wolverine could be thrown into the sun and all trace of him across existence itself could be erased, but he'd be back in a month, tops. But Hornet? Dead forever, unmissed, unloved and unavenged. And that every time some big event happens and some adult hero who told them to quit a month earlier is now begging them to be foot soldiers (hello, Captain America), they should either tell him to stick it or ask what's in it for them.

That's always been the dilemma. New heroes are in theory good for new blood, but after a while they can't be novices anymore. And once they reach that stage where they should reasonably move up the chain, they hit limbo, barely appear, or die. Because Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk, etc. are immortal. Again, the NEW MUTANTS cast are about the only characters who debuted after the Carter administration besides Deadpool who have done anything of relevance in any story. Aside for Deadpool, who debuted in the late 80's, no other "new" character has been allowed to penetrate the universe in a major way. I could buy it if the younger characters themselves were aware of that, and AVENGERS ACADEMY played with that many times. Unfortunately, AVENGERS ARENA fulfilled that dead straight.

I see it as a vicious cycle. Readers avoid new characters because they know Marvel are gutless cowards who abandon them at the first sign of adversity. And Marvel abandon them at the first sign of adversity because readers avoid them. Considering Disney now owns Marvel and there is likely even less tolerance for losses in a comics division, I don't expect that to change. It has been argued that comics make up such a small side of Disney's empire that that should see Marvel as a new IP farm and encourage them to try out some new ideas for newer audiences, but they see no reason to do that when the same cows can be milked forever.

I think marvel has problems with what your saying..but not sure I realy agree with the hopelessness of it all..

As for New Mutants..Cannonball and Sunspot are Avengers...Many other old new mutants like Magick, Cabal and although not a New Mutant, Deadpool certainly factors. Even characters like Domino, shatterstar, and Warlock have got plenty of shots. So I'm not sure I'm tracking on your point about New Mutants.

Even though your grieving for the Academy characters like Mettle...even they were the product of abandoning many of the A:TI characters...in a sense Mettle's creation was just as much a part of the problem as it was for others.

Marvel DOES need more outlets for these lesser used characters and not scholck killsfests, even if they are well written...and they need to look at using older characters instead of just get wild with creating new ones.
 
Well, I've decided that I'm officially finished working today. I've had a headache all day and spent most of my shift outside mowing in the heat. I went to the comic shop during lunch and read all my comics and now my headache's worse (yeah, duh), so being that it's a slow summer day and I've already knocked out my goal for the day... I'm relaxing for a while.

As for what I bought... I got most everything I planned on getting. Astonishing X-Men was scheduled to come out this week (unless I read that wrong or it got moved) but the shop didn't have it. I'm debating on continuing the story anyway due to financial reasons (aka... why spend money on an arc of a title I don't want to continue with when titles I'm interested in ongoing pass by?). I was looking over Johns' Green Lantern run a couple days ago and it made me realize how much I really did like Hal Jordan. I skipped the last issue with the intent to drop the book and was fine with it, but then those skims made me realize how much I hate not having it on my pull list. So I decided to give it a few more issues, so I got the issue I skipped.

Green Lantern 22 - I liked this issue but I'm sorta torn on Larfleeze's portrayal. He's coming across like how he was in his first appearance, but he'd become less sinister since then. He and Hal even had a bit of a buddy system. I wonder if Venditti is reverting him or if something happened in New Guardians (which I don't read) that made him revert? Then again, his greed alone justifies it. So I have nothing against it; I'm just not sure I like him better this way or as the more playful comic relief. In the end, I'm expecting to like him better this way.

Still, it was a good issue and I'm glad I got it. I'm not looking forward to that $17 October Green Lantern crossover, but I'll probably bite the dollar and get it provided I'm not too over budget.


Now, on to the new books I bought this week:

Justice League 22 - This was the big one for me this week. I've been waiting for the Trinity War since they first introduced the Trinity of Sin, and here's part one. I really enjoyed it and now wish I'd have been buying Justice League of America, as I find some of the characters interesting. I liked Doctor Light pre-New 52 so I'm curious what brought him to this point, and I wonder if there's a future for him here. His death was pretty unexpected and shocking and I'm very curious how events will play out as a result of that. I'm more excited for when the Justice League Dark shows up. That's my favorite of the teams.

One flaw that I think I see. This seems to be the first meeting between the League and Shazam... but wasn't he a part of the potential recruits to show up on the watchtower a few issues ago? Or was he just on a screen? I'm trying to remember, but I'm blanking out.

Still, after a year and half or so of Shazam back stories, it's nice to see him finally out in the open in the title. But what I'm even more excited for is when the actual Trinity of Sin show up. We got Pandora in this issue picking up where issue 1 of her new series ended, as expected, and I love Phantom Stranger, so his coming will be cool to see. The Question is literally the question mark of the three. With the exception of a slight story about him in Phantom Stranger, he's unexpected. I'm curious what role he plays.

So yeah, definitely a good start to the event. I enjoyed it a great deal.

Batman 22 - Last issue was the first part of Year Zero and I enjoyed it. This is part two and I was bored to tears and dozing. That's not a good sign. This story better pick up and get real interesting fact because I should be bored two issues into an eleven or so issue story. The art was good though.

And as for the backup strip... boring. Honestly, I can't stand Batman's backup stories. The only one that I really liked was during Death of the Family with Riddler, Two-Face, and Penguin talking to Joker. The rest have felt useless and tacked on for the extra buck. I wish they'd just drop them entirely and make the title $3.

Uncanny X-Men 8 - I thought it was a pretty good issue. Bachelo's back, which is either a good or bad thing depending on if you like his art. I'm growing pretty calloused to it on this book, but I wish he'd leave permanently. I like him sometimes but this isn't one of those times. Brian Woods mentioned on an interview that came out today or yesterday that he'd love to do a Generation X ongoing. Get him and Bachelo on it for old time's sake and I'd buy the heck out of that.

As for the issue itself, it was decent. Cyclops and Magneto agree to retrain one another in the use of their powers while also teaching the students. A new mutant leaves the team (and is confronted by Dazzler... Agent of SHIELD) while another new mutant joins. I worry that Bendis is creating a quick influx of students and they'll feel too cookie cutter. That's 5 now. I know it's a school, but there are plenty of students in the X-Men world to choose from. No need to keep creating new ones.

Daredevil 28 - This was a good issue. Daredevil is approached by the kid who used to bully him and mocked him with the name "daredevil", and is asked to defend him. It's a simple but effective story with an ending that leaves you a little shocked and eager for the next issue. It was a good read, but the ongoing story that always leaves me gripping at the end of every issue is Foggy's battle with cancer. In a world of fantastic and uncanny feats, the simple, all-too-human threat of cancer still hits me in the gut. I remember when Wong battled it in Dr. Strange: the Oath. That was more powerful than the fictional Legacy Virus... because we all know stories of people who fought and either lost or won against cancer. And so, this plot with Foggy is suddenly very real.

Very good issue. Great title.

Young Avengers 7 - Three months have passed since the team fled their parents and we get a little caught up on what they had been doing before Prodigy (from last issue) catches up to them to inform them of Speed's "death". This leads to them chasing and finding the person/thing that "killed" him and officially pulls Prodigy into the story. I guess we get a glimpse of Ms. America's powers, though I don't really know what they are, and the chase is on.

I love seeing Prodigy in this book and hope he stays long term (and it's looking like he will). And more than that, I'm finally starting to like Noh-Varr in this title I could still take or leave Ms. America and Kid Loki (especially Ms. America), but if one can grow on me I'm sure the rest can as well. I still don't like his relationship with Kate, though. It feels forced every time it shows up.

Also, I've fallen in love with McKelvie's art. Just breath-taking.


Best and Worst of the Week

Best: Justice League - It was close between this and Daredevil, but I think I got more enjoyment while reading this book than the other. It was just good, and so much was going on. The art was fantastic and I'm eager for part two next week.

Worst: Batman - This was an easy decision. Hopefully it'll improve. This title is better than this.
 
The Trinity War is just starting now? It feels like I've been hearing about that thing since the New 52 launched.

So is it true what I heard about Superman? Is this like what Marvel has done to Spider-Man countless times at Marvel for years or is it not as bad as it was rumored to be?
 
The Trinity War is just starting now? It feels like I've been hearing about that thing since the New 52 launched.

It feels that way, because you have. It's something that they've been talking about even before the relaunch.

So is it true what I heard about Superman? Is this like what Marvel has done to Spider-Man countless times at Marvel for years or is it not as bad as it was rumored to be?
It's not happened yet, so that can't be answered, but it's a rumor that's been popping up at a lot of different places.
Though, it seems to vary between him being brainwashed, or simply being put in a position where he has to do the deed.
 
Oh, my bad...I guess it did happen :o

I shouldn't comment on **** that I'm way behind in :o
 
That was a shame too. [blackout]This was an interesting take on light from what little I read in the issue.[/blackout]
 
Wait! This is the Bought/Thought! Why are we using spoilers? This has always been a spoiler-filled zone for new comics!
 
Yeah, I know. I figured it would be a good idea to use it because it's supposed to be a pretty big deal and an event long in the making....
 
[blackout]Frankly with the way the scene was portrayed Superman either had some degree of mind control or the Outsider created a scenario which makes it look like that Dr. Light had died. I don't think that it's as simple as the time when Superman executed Zod during John Byrne's run or killed Zod when he ran out of options in Man of Steel or threw a depowered Zod into the abyss of the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that if DC has Superman genuinely kill someone, it'll probably be Zod.[/blackout]
 
[blackout]Frankly with the way the scene was portrayed Superman either had some degree of mind control or the Outsider created a scenario which makes it look like that Dr. Light had died. I don't think that it's as simple as the time when Superman executed Zod during John Byrne's run or killed Zod when he ran out of options in Man of Steel or threw a depowered Zod into the abyss of the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that if DC has Superman genuinely kill someone, it'll probably be Zod.[/blackout]
Agreed
 
Well, I've decided that I'm officially finished working today. I've had a headache all day and spent most of my shift outside mowing in the heat. I went to the comic shop during lunch and read all my comics and now my headache's worse (yeah, duh), so being that it's a slow summer day and I've already knocked out my goal for the day... I'm relaxing for a while.

As for what I bought... I got most everything I planned on getting. Astonishing X-Men was scheduled to come out this week (unless I read that wrong or it got moved) but the shop didn't have it. I'm debating on continuing the story anyway due to financial reasons (aka... why spend money on an arc of a title I don't want to continue with when titles I'm interested in ongoing pass by?).
Astonishing X-Men did come out, your shop must have run out or was understocked. I rather like this book myself, but it could be my Gambit fixation. I hope you stick with the book and get a copy later, I still think it holds up. :)
 
They just didn't get it in, so it'll probably come next week.

And I just saw in the October solicits that the FINAL ISSUE comes out that month.

Thus ends the current longest running, uninterrupted run at Marvel. Next highest on the list...
Venom
 
Daredevil #28 is another great issue, if less of a triumph than the last two. This series has devoted a non-trivial number of pages to looking back at Matt's beginnings, but it's always been done in thoughtful, surprisingly fresh ways. #28 is no exception. Here, we learn that, despite generally being upstanding and studious, kid Matt was kind of a smug little **** sometimes. And that's an accurate representation of what kids are really like. The set-up for the next issue is equally well done, with Matt prioritizing his commitment to justice over any personal pettiness. There was a nice cliffhanger too. Fill-in artist Javier Rodriguez brings all the brightness and creativity of the series's regular artist, even if he isn't quite on the level of the masterful Chris Samnee (no big deal, because few in today's comic world are). Side note: I think Daredevil comes in third behind Venom in the "longest current running, uninterrupted run at Marvel" contest.

Often, the issues I would describe as "transitional" are not the most entertaining portions of their series, even though they are necessary for moving the plot along. That is very much not the case with Young Avengers #7. I cracked up at the beginning section, where they went around fighting dumb villains. I particularly enjoyed the Instagram-style page; it's a clever way of showing the passage of time without using much space, and the idea of Kid Loki on social network sites is pretty hilarious. The second part of the issue, where the team meets Prodigy, is also highly enjoyable, for the banter among the group and the way it connects the last issue with the ongoing plot of the main story. The issue ended on a strong cliffhanger, coupled with the stunning layout of the breaking-glass-into-the-multiverse page.

Batman #22 convinced me not the drop this book. The first issue of Zero Year didn't wow me. It was well written and drawn, but didn't sell me on the notion that I would want to read yet another Batman origin story, especially one that involved a conspiracy to kill Bruce Wayne's parents. While this issue is not a home run either, it succeeded in sparking my interest in the storyline. I like this take on a young, brash Batman; his scenes with Alfred are particularly effective. The Riddler is also being handled nicely; he's less over-the-top than some previous incarnations, but not in any kind of stupid darker and edgier way. He's very, erm, enigmatic, and that's cool. The highlight of the issue is the spiral page for the dialogue between Batman and the Riddler; one of Capullo's best layouts in this series, and there have been many to compete with.

Batman 66 #1 & 2 are extremely fun. Jeff Parker has a great handle on the dialogue and campy humor of the show (Adam West and Burt Ward would have felt right at home saying these lines), from the ridiculous crime deductions (Hot pads? Break pads!) to the bizarre moments (Batman and Robin pass by Dracula while climbing up the side of a building). In the spirit of the show, these moments are played straight, without any hint of irony. On the art side, Jonathan Case absolutely nails the vibrant, pop-art style, in both the backgrounds and the character designs. These comics also make interesting use of the digital medium. I'm not quite sure how to explain it, but it's kind of a motion comic, only without any animations. In any case, Batman '66 is a winner on all fronts.
 
Uncanny X-men #8: This issue was good. Not amazing, but still enjoyable. I like Bendis' writing when it comes to exploring discrimination against mutants and I feel like he highlights a lot of injustices that make Cyclops justified in his hardline. Another highlight of the issue was Bendis' Magneto, who really walks this fine line of paranoid human hater and mutant rights protector. Magik was as usual very entertaining and likeable, though her new limbo status isn't mentioned. Bendis' Emma is completely unremarkable, which is disappointing. It's a solid title that's been pretty consistent since #1.

Young Avengers #7: The book catches us up to speed on what's happened in the last couple months via a Facebook-like format, and Prodigy meets the team and gets them to investigate further into Speed's disappearance. I like this book because it thinks outside the box, has light hearted humour, amazing art, and deeper moments. I'm a huge fan of Noh-Varr now. I understand that he has a really inconsistent background, but I don't really care about any of that and I hope Gillen's version becomes his main characterization. I'm dreading the upcoming drama between Billy and Teddy, so I'll just enjoy their cuteness while it lasts.

Superbia #9: One of my favourite titles continues as the team tries to come up with a plan to save Sari from Hector, while Night Fox and Alexis try to find Agent Twilight, who we now know is Ruth's prisoner. This title ranks so highly with me because it has complicated character dynamics, and great diversity. Particularly, Batu''s family really hooks me. Batu is the only female "super hero" (Grace's take on Wonder Woman), but here she is too intensely militaristic and her culture has drastic implications on herself and her family. She has spent her daughter's entire life grooming her for the same powers she has, only to find that her son got them (something unheard of in her culture). As a result Sara is resentful due the brutal training she's been forced to endure, while now having to deal with the fact that she's no longer special. Eli's dealing with neglect from his mother, and only connects with his father, who doesn't have the powers in the family, but is a stronger person. Great stuff! I also really like Night Fox and Agent Twilight, because they're not a cookie cutter gay couple. Night Fox is actually kind of a jerk, but right now he's accepted his love for Twilight, making him act against the rest of the team in this issue, but is still running on noble intentions. I highly recommend this title!
 
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They just didn't get it in, so it'll probably come next week.

And I just saw in the October solicits that the FINAL ISSUE comes out that month.

Thus ends the current longest running, uninterrupted run at Marvel. Next highest on the list...
Venom
Oh, so because I like a book they have to end it? Man my pull list is getting shorter and shorter all the time. :(
 
I wish I had that problem. Mine keeps going the other way despite my finances :(
 
If Gambit's own book is gone and now Astonishing, where am I going to go to get my Gambit fix? Calamity and woe... :waa:
 

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