The Ongoing Bought/Thought! 2013

Well, I went into the shop and picked and chose what to get. I was originally going to get but passed on Pandora 3. I didn't really care for the first two issues and made the decision to drop it post-Trinity War. Then I skimmed it and didn't' really enjoy what I saw, so I just dropped it. I might pick it up later, as it's the only issue of Trinity War I've skipped, but I just didn't feel like messing with it this week. Maybe with my next paycheck. In it's place I picked up 2 other comics I wasn't planing on grabbing, but which won me over with a skim. They are:


Batman and Nightwing #23 - I liked this title a lot while Damian was the co-star, but after he died the book went downhill for me. The silent issue was amazing and the next two sucked fairly bad. I didn't even buy the two that followed that but skims didn't win me over. This one, however, caught my eye. First off, I love Nightwing. Secondly, it deals directly with Batman Incorporated #8 and doesn't require the previous 2 (or 4) issues to read it. So I bought it, read it, and loved it. Tomasi's gotten into this groove where he does a run of mediocre-good issues and then writes one that sets your jaw to the floor. This is that issue.

Bruce has set up Internet 3.0 to continually run virtual reality scenarios so that he can prove to himself that he could have saved Damian. He fails over and over again until Nightwing shows up and plugs himself in. Working together, they are able to manage the feat. This gives Bruce a sense of closure, though it isn't a heartfelt one. The best part of the story, however, is when Alfred, who kept asking Bruce to shut the program down, later hooks himself up to it and plays out the scenario in his own way... by not letting Damian go out that night. Like with the silent issue, Tomasi got me to choke up on that scene. It was just a powerful scene that reminds us Alfred is just as much a member of this family as the Robins. Very good.

Avengers 18 - I wasn't going to bother with the Avengers side of Infinity, but Infinity #1 sold me on the idea of at least giving it a skim. The skim revealed enough to make me curious so I bought it. I honestly enjoyed the story (though I agree with Dread's statement about Hickman packing to much in there that character development falls by the wayside). I love Yu's art and that applies here as well. The only downside is that his space fighting scenes get a little too messy at times to where I have to study the panel to figure out what's happening. Still, war is messing, so it still fits.

This was definitely a good issue and it's convinced me to give the next one a shot. If at any point I lose interest in this side of the event I'll drop the book, but for now, I'll stick with it for the duration of the book.

Astonishing X-Men 65 - I think this came out last week but my shop just got it today. This is the conclusion of the Iceman story line and it was probably the best of the series. Seeing Bobby being such a major power player was great. All the emotional beats were there and the characters were all fantastic. The art is still the weakest part of the story, but that's a matter of taste I suppose. For what it is, the artist does a good job. Next issue serves as an aftermath. If it's self-contained, I'll get it. If it leads into what comes next, I'll probably pass. Still, I don't at all regret jumping on to this title for this arc. It was fantastic. Thor felt a bit forced into the story, but hey... there's a movie coming up. What do you expect?

X-Men 4 - This issue tells two stories. The first focuses on Wolverine and Jubilee taking a trip to Jubilee's native Santa Monica, California. It deals with Jubilee coming to terms with the idea of her being an adoptive parent and getting advice from Wolverine, who had always been a father figure to her. I loved this portion of the story. It was a family-feeling tale that the X-Men have been for the most part lacking for over a decade. These scenes were the best of the series so far.

The second story focuses on Storm, Psylocke, Rachel, and Rogue attempting to save a damaged airliner while dealing with some issues regarding last issue. Namely, Rachel has a major problem with Storm nearly giving a kill order on Karima. Storm had reason for it, but she has to remind Rachel that she did not give the order. Also, Rachel has a problem with Storm self-appointing herself the leader of the X-Men. While they argue that, Rogue gets on a powers high using Psylocke's powers and they ultimately save the plane.

This story I didn't care for at all. First off, the conversation about Storm becoming leader of the X-Men reads weird because she ISN'T the leader of the X-Men. Currently, there really isn't one. There's a headmaster (Wolverine) and a rogue revolutionist (Cyclops) but no real leader. Heck, the only one claiming their side as X-Men is Cyclops, as Wolverine only talks about his side being a school for mutants. So Storm dubbing herself leader of the X-Men is just strange. Now, I get that she was probably referring to this specific group of X-Men (as the title is 'X-Men'), but it just read weird. In addition to that, Rachel's handling of the argument felt very juvenile and not at all appealing. Then there's Rogue acting so strange that it didn't even feel like her anymore. She's used Psylocke's powers before (Second Coming comes to mind) so this shouldn't have been some new WOW experience. It just read like Wood was trying to throw some fun in there but failed for me.

So this issue was 50/50... which is about normal for this series overall.

Daredevil 30 - You know, I was really looking forward to this issue because I was curious what Waid would do with Daredevil and the Silver Surfer. It had it's moments, sure, but overall I found it to be silly and uninteresting. This was likely my least favorite issue of Waid's run so far (though I admit to having skipped a small chunk in the middle). He's done a lot better work and so has his artist Chris Samnee. I was very disappointed.

Justice League Dark 23 - Trinity War Part 5 of 6! This was definitely an improvement over the past couple of parts. While I'm enjoying it, it definitely suffers from too many characters, too many plots, and not enough linking them together. We have the Trinity of Sin (which are barely necessary, especially Phantom Stranger and the Question), we have Pandora's Box, we have a war of the Justice Leagues, and we have the super villains acting in the background. So all-in-all around 30-40 characters crammed in a plot-heavy issue that's crammed in a 6-part story. I like the guy, but Geoff Johns' eyes were bigger than his stomach here.

For what it was, the story was alright. We get quick references to the Phantom Stranger and Constantine tie-ins (but not Pandora, which tells me her tie-in issues are wholly unnecessary unless they come into play in the conclusion of the story). Mikel Janin's art is as beautiful as it always issue (always the highlight of Justice League Dark) and he handles the major moments well. More hero versus hero action is a turn off for me, but there are interesting moments like Shazam's taking Pandora's Box and Constantine's role. I thought Zantanna's stand was pretty awesome, and the ending left me eager for the conclusion. All-in-all a decent issue, but I'm ready for it to wrap up.

I have a feeling that Trinity War will be one of those stories that reads best in one sitting. The core series has been good so far but the absolute best issue of the whole deal was Phantom Stranger. I'm looking forward to next week to see how it all wraps up.


Best and Worst of the Week

Best: Batman & Nightwing - I considered this book dropped and it still may be, but this issue specifically was just amazing. I'm not sure if I'm ready to keep reading the book as a simple Batman Team-Up title, but I do love Tomasi and Gleason. I figure I'll skim from here and decide.

Worst: Daredevil - Sadly, this was the issue I got the least enjoyment out of this week. I'll probably be yelled at but it actually bordered on bad for me. I hope it isn't going to fall into a rut.
 
I'm curious why do people give bought/thoughts for books that aren't Marvel even though this is the Marvel forum?
 
Because first and foremost, we're comics fans regardless of company. Most people read books from a variety of publishers and this is the thread used to share thoughts, regardless of what forum it's in.
 
It just sort of evolved into a catch all through the years. I think we tried to separate them before but the thread never caught on in the DC or Indie forums.


Oh! I forgot a review. It wouldn't be a Best or Worst, so I'll just throw it here.

Batwoman 23 - This was definitely a good issue, but I'm starting to get a little annoyed. The title has been building toward the inevitable Batwoman versus Batman versus D.O.A. for a little while now, but it's just not getting there. First we had the Killer Croc interruption, and now this. The story was really good, but it felt more like something that should have come right after the Medusa story. Basically Kate injects herself with a dose of Scarecrow's fear toxin (the same that she accidentally injected Maggie with during the Medusa arc) so that she can experience what Maggie went through. Maggie comforts her until it runs its course 12 hours later. Then Maggie accepts Kate's marriage proposal (which I didn't realize she hadn't already). Alongside that plot we have Jacob, Bette, and their people digging into the D.O.A. trying to uncover the location of Director Bones, and we have the D.O.A. unleashing a group of Bat Villains led by Bane.

All-in-all it was a very good issue, but it just felt a little out of place in parts. The Jacob/Bette story fit well, as did the D.O.A. stuff... but the main feature with Kate and Maggie should have followed the conclusion of the Medusa arc. Still, love this title. Very good.
 
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I understand, I'm new to this side of the forum so I was just wondering but that makes sense.
 
Something I forgot to mention earlier this week. I've always been interested in the Maxx from Image (in the 90s) but I've only ever seen maybe the first 9 issues and have only read the first 2 or 3. I heard how IDW is going to be releasing them again and got excited, but then I saw they're going to be priced at $4 an issue. I really don't want to pay $4 for a reprint.

Well, I was at Half Priced Books earlier this week and stumbled across issues 1-24 for 50 cents each. I was super stoked and can't wait to read them :D
 
So, just finished reading X-Men 4, Nova 7 and Avengers 18 and I have to say I enjoyed all three issues.

X-Men 4

I really enjoyed this issue. I wonder if the telling two stories in one issue is going to become a pattern because they've done this in all the issues so far (not that it's a bad thing). I really liked Jubilee's story and where they're taking her as a character. It's interesting to see how Jubilee, who was an orphan herself, has now taken in a baby orphan of her own. Add to the fact that she's barely out of her teens and now stuck in that phase for, as of now, ever now that she's a vamp and you have a pretty interesting character.
I also really liked the "X-Men" story. The conversation between Rachel and Storm was...... interesting. I like Rachel a lot but this conversation made her seem young and whiny. For someone who came from a future where they did more horrible things you would think she would understand the situation they were put in. But at the same time her coming from the kind of future she did could also make her act the way she is. Either way it felt more like a temper tantrum and less like an actual legitimate argument. And in response to an above poster I don't think it's weird that Storm has made herself the defacto leader of the X-Men. I mean she has lead the X-Men before, has the most experience leading a team than any of the other members and the only other real candidate, Wolverine, seems more inclined to run the school (partially) over leading the X-Men (which isn't wrong). And the above poster again, I think the time you mentioned about Rogue was when she absorbed a lot of people's powers at once so it makes sense that she didn't get to fully have the full affect of having what makes Psylocke, Psylocke.
9/10

Nova 7

I really like this series. I know I'm missing out but I'm kind of glad I didn't know the full Rich Rider history. It allows me to look at the new Nova in an unbiased light. On to the current issue, I thought it was one of the better ones. The cameo by Justice and Speedball was nice and I definitely hope they take that somewhere interesting. The cameo by SpOck showed just how much I hate him. Ugh bring back Parker already. It was interesting at first but now it's just being dragged on for the sales. Rant over. I kind of like how they're doing both the cosmic and Earth sides to Nova. I've always wondered why cosmic heroes who originated from Earth never really have stories that revolve around Earth too. But that's just me. All in all great issue. And for those who keep wondering where is RR take note, Loeb will make the story but not right now. He wants to make a story that doesn't need to make people need to do their homework to understand what's going on. So when he brings out the RR story it'll be when it fits with the current characters and stories.
8.5/10

Avengers 18 (Infinity)


Another great issue of Avengers. I'm really liking this series and New Avengers a lot more than Uncanny. My only gripe is that out of the flagship Avengers titles none of them are light hearted titles. I think the reason I enjoyed Bendis' run is that even though it wasn't perfect it had that sense of fun and lightness that most of Marvel NOW is missing. Rant over.
This issue was different from the previous issues. Tying into Infinity has made him turn the story into a more urgent and less slow-paced story. The story itself was an AMAZING tie-in to Infinity. What Hickman said makes sense now. The two Avengers books will be integral parts to the story so it will be pretty essential to read them if you want to get the full story. If you enjoyed Infinity #1 then you'll enjoy this issue. If you don't care much about the space side of the Infinity story then you can possibly skip this book. One last thing, I feel like this book has been building to something much much bigger and it seems this event will be an integral part of that. I think Hickman may finally lead Earth into becoming a part of the intergalactic council that's been being hinted at in a few prior books and stories. It's going to be an Avengers Universe.
9/10
 
I liked the Constantine is already corrupted so Pandora's box had no effect on him. Con-Job FTW :)
 
I'm curious why do people give bought/thoughts for books that aren't Marvel even though this is the Marvel forum?

I'm all for them just merging Marvel and DC into one superhero comics forum, to be quite honest.
 
I like the idea of merging the indies as well. None of them are alive enough to really fill up a day's worth of threads. Marvel is the most lively but not by much.
 
I'm up for merging the forums.

Cross the streams bro....cross the streams
 
Excuse me Egon, you said crossing the streams was bad...


if them DC fans can't keep up their own bought/thought, they don't deserve one!
:woot:
 
Eh, leave the forums as they are. Every comic site out there has 3 forums. 1 for Marvel, 1 for DC and 1 for Other. I want to be able to find threads easily, not click 2 or 3 pages back and search for them. The reason the B/T is in this thread is because the Marvel thread has double the thread count and double the post count. More people come through here.
 
Okay so this may be a little off topic but I just want to know:

Why does Bendis' run on Avengers get so much flak? I only started reading comics during his run and I found it enjoyable enough to continue reading comics. Granted I do look back on it and it had it's fair share of issues but overall it was good in my opinion. But why does everyone hate it and him, by extension, so much? I saw someone say they chose to not think of his run as canon. Like what would make someone think that?
 
In short: He changed a lot about what we consider Avengers comics. The roster, attitude, style, villains, etc. of the team all changed pretty drastically under his pen, and he essentially demolished what came before in order to get there in Avengers Disassembled.
 
In short: He changed a lot about what we consider Avengers comics. The roster, attitude, style, villains, etc. of the team all changed pretty drastically under his pen, and he essentially demolished what came before in order to get there in Avengers Disassembled.

That and his blatant disregard for continuity.
 
In short: He changed a lot about what we consider Avengers comics. The roster, attitude, style, villains, etc. of the team all changed pretty drastically under his pen, and he essentially demolished what came before in order to get there in Avengers Disassembled.
Well I guess I look at it like this. That change came from a number of different places. For one, Marvel has always been the kind of company that creates stories that reflect the times and culture. Secondly, comics had been steadily declining since the 90s. I understand people don't take well to change but it's clear Marvel couldn't survive by continuing to cater to their old fans only. They had to find a way to shake things up enough to bring in new readers and break the status quo. I'm glad they brought in certain characters and gave other characters a shot. The only thing I don't like is that Wolverine is in like every team book and theirs like a million Avengers teams now. I was okay with Bendis' two. Now theirs way too many books. The only other thing I can see wrong is maybe Bendis did make Avengers membership a little too easy. But I guess being a new reader allowed me to overlook that.
 
The problem with that sentiment is that it assumes the older Avengers stuff was somehow outdated and selling badly. Avengers was in a rut before Bendis, sure, but it was a short-term rut brought on by some terrible creative teams. The run by Kurt Busiek just prior to that was well-received by both critics and readers and sold quite well. Rather than taking a big dump on what had come before and going off in an entirely new direction, they could've switched up the creative team and possibly gotten the same sales boost Bendis gave them. We'll never know because they went with Bendis' nuclear option instead.
 
That is true too. I guess that's just fans though. I know gamers tend to be the same way too. Can never please them all. Going new tends to alienate older fans and staying old doesn't always bring in new fans. It's always a lose-lose situation.

Sidenote: Has anyone ever visited the cosmicbooknews site? Like they really hate Bendis and Loeb over there for what they're doing with GotG and Nova. Like their hate is worse than the flak I see Bendis getting for Avengers lol.
 
I can understand why Marvel put him on Avengers to begin with. He had been writing Ultimate Spider-Man for 4yrs already, and DD and Alias both for 3yrs - all were critical and financial successes.

I was actually looking forward to the change because Chuck Austen was starting to bury the book. I was shocked and disappointed at how awful the first issues were. Disassembled was nonsensical violence porn and New Avengers first issues were a disaster rife with errors. As time went on, it got a little better but it was going from poor to mediocre.
 
I actually kinda liked the two Chuck Austen arcs (there were only two, right?). I mean, they weren't favorites or anything, but I enjoyed them.
 
Thunderbolts #14 - Thunderbolts #14 served as the first true "revamp" of the book by combining Soule on story (who has only been on the book for a month or two) with a brand new artist in Palo. I've been quite vocal about how much I've hated this book since the launch of Marvel Now - Daniel Way's writing was amongst the worst I've ever read and Dillon on art did not help. Thus, the book was nearly doomed from the start and the constant shake-ups in creative teams seems to indicate that sales are anything but stable. I would have dropped the title if it had not been for the introduction of a fresh creative team and the promise of tie-ins to Infinity. I guess it was worth it, because, after nearly a year of issues, this is the first I have actually enjoyed. To summarize why this book has been amongst the worst published by Marvel, let me break it down by arc:

Issues 1-5: Terrible writing and terrible art.
Issues 6-11: Terrible writing and decent art.
Issue 12: Decent writing and terrible art.
Issue 13: Decent writing and decent art.
Issue 14: Great writing and decent art (we've been on a steady incline since issue 12!).

Anyway, to the issue itself. Thunderbolts #14 is an Infinity tie-in almost in name only. Save for the last three pages or so, this issue focuses primarily on re-introducing the characters butchered after two failed storylines penned by Way. Soule clearly has a better grasp of the characters and the story is a lot tighter and actually coherent for once. It should be noted that Deadpool is written perfectly here - he has two lines of dialogue that actually made me laugh. Out loud. Way never came close to that. So, the writing itself deserves at least a 4/5.

The art is a little bit of a different story. While not explictly bad, Palo leaves a lot to be desired. Much like Ramos on Spider-man, Palo's art is highly stylized. It looks great for action scenes but comes across a little too "cartoon network" when the tone is meant to be serious. I found myself alternating between loving the art direction and hating it. So, I guess I'd have to give the art a 3/5.

TL/DR: Thunderbolts #14 was the best issue of the series to date, which is not to undermine how good it actually is: the first 13 issues ranged from abysmally bad to mediocre. It's not perfect but it's light years better than the atrocity written by Way. The art is still a little iffy but the writing has been steadily improving with each issue as Soule finds his footing. If you wanted to try Thunderbolts but were turned off because of Way and/or Dillon, it might be time to give the book another shot. 3.5/5
 
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Anyone else read Wonder Woman #23? It was a marvelous issue. Checked IGN and they gave it the elusive perfect 10.
 
So is the Spider-Man I saw in Nova the way Spider-Man acts in his book now? Are they playing the doc ock Spidey for laughs like in Nova?
 
Depends on the comic, to be honest. In general, he tried to mimic Peter's behavior a bit at first, which often led to comedic moments. But since (roughly) around the time he switched to his new costume, he's basically said "f*** Peter" and started behaving more like himself. No-nonsense, not bothering to crack jokes, etc.

I actually kinda liked the two Chuck Austen arcs (there were only two, right?). I mean, they weren't favorites or anything, but I enjoyed them.
I liked some ideas from it. Lionheart, for one. Always wished we saw more of her. But overall, they were kind of terrible.
 

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