The Ongoing Bought/Thought! 2013

Also just caught up with Avengers. Read #13 today. I read a good amount of Marvel stuff, but as a DC guy, it kinda pains me to say that this series is SO much better than John's JL books.

Loved that final scene between Hyperion and Thor.
 
Short week, which means next week will be heavy. Just one regular title and one new thing to try, because I got a reviewer copy. Spoilers ahoy.

DREAD'S BOUGHT/THOUGHT FOR 6/12/13:

BUBBLEGUN #1: A little over ten years ago, well known Top Cow artist and creator Michael Turner founded his own comic book publishing company, "Aspen MLT". Named after the lead heroine of his creator owned "Fathom" series, it quickly became the home of that and other Turner productions, such as "Soulfire". While Turner sadly lost his battle with cancer in 2008, the company has lived on in his stead with establishing new franchises by rising stars. To this end, Aspen has begun its "10 for 10" initiative - offering ten new #1 issues for ten new franchises for a price tag of one dollar each in 2013. First among these is "BubbleGun" by writer Mark Roslan, artist Mike Bowden, colored by David Curiel and lettered by Josh Reed, which went on sale this week. In an era where so many publishers, including Turner's former employer, Image Comics, are releasing dozens of creator owned series each week, how does "BubbleGun" stack up?

Set a hundred years in the future in the technological metropolis of Neocapital, "BubbleGun" seems to tap into emulating the flair and style of 1990's era Image Comics material, only with a lighter hearted tone and brighter color palette. Inotech, one of presumably many hi-tech corporate conglomerates, becomes the victim of two teams of mercenary espionage squads with advanced gear and tactics. A mysterious MacGuffin is stolen out from under the crew of thieves run by Caprice by another run by the purple mohawk-clad Devlyn and her own partners in crime. Her kid sister Molli is the issues' narrator and user of the titular weapon - an over sized gun that sticks targets in wads of pink gum. The rest of her squad round out to the hulking Roman, the sagely Zuse and the quiet Kyu. While their mission seems to deliver a big score, Devlyn and her squad are quickly targeted by a larger scale competitive squad and discover that Inotech's "prize" was more than met the eye.

Bowden's art style seems to resemble the flair of Joe Madureira, with big muscles guys, athletic girls, and a lot of para military and/or cybernetic gear. Fortunately, the color work by Curiel makes the art look far brighter and energetic than some old issues of "Wetworks" back in the late 90's were. Rather than a dystopia, "BubbleGun" seems to set a tone similar to many manga and anime style adventures where a cabal of plucky characters have over the top adventures in a futuristic setting. In fact, the revelation of the MacGuffin at the end may spark memories of such manga and anime stories such as "Chobits", "Outlaw Star", or even "Genesis Survivor Gaiarth"; thankfully "BubbleGun" offers a slight twist of its own. The action is fast and furious and the dialogue is crisp and fast paced, even if some of the male gaze friendly designs for the female characters could be less appealing for some. It also takes almost half the issue for the series' stars to properly introduce themselves, which is fine for the overall arc or trade package but could be a flaw for a single issue. While all of the major characters are introduced, devoting the first nine pages to the rival gang forces a bit of compression later on. For the moment all of the characters' archetypes are apparent; Molli is the inexperienced novice, Devlyn the stern commander, Roman the muscle, Kyu the quiet one and so forth.

Overall, this is a light hearted and brightly colored "cyberpunk" romp which seems to wish to emulate the tone and style of 90's era Image Comics as well as manga and anime while offering its own story, characters, and twists. While it may not be for everyone, it may be for those who could quickly confuse its title for "bubble gum". Much like some bubble gum, it offers a dash of color, sugary fun and some pop, and unashamedly so. Its logo is a smilie face, and all the team members don it somewhere on their armor. The one dollar price tag to try it out is a perfect incentive for new readers, who get enough of an action romp and a mystery to keep them coming back for more.

VENOM #36: Writer Cullen Bunn continues his resurgence of his run on the spin-off that Rick Remender launched with this "slice of life" issue of the series. Pepe Larraz performs spot on fill in work on pencils with Lee Loughridge on colors, taking over for Declan Shalvey. The tale is titled "Simple", and perhaps that is a metaphor for why Bunn has rebounded on this title. His opening solo arcs involved demons and mysticism and complicated shenanigans, which didn't quite work as well as they should have. Since moving Flash Thompson/Agent Venom to Philadelphia and establishing a new gig and supporting cast for him, the series has gotten back to its roots under Remender, but in Bunn's unique style. Picking up the previous issue where a truce was hashed out with Toxin, Thompson attempts to keep things as simple as possible. By day he's a high school gym teacher who attempts to keep his symbiotic impulses in check, even when being watched by the loner student (and one of his neighbors) Andi who may have figured out some secrets. By night, Agent Venom violently tears into criminals to make a dent in the Philly underworld - ultimate running afoul of the latest crime boss, Lord Ogre. This may be a set up or development issue, but it plays to both Bunn's strengths as a writer and Thompson's strengths as a fractured hero. One bit with the symbiote manifesting through a car makes no sense outside of "The Mask", but it works as a visual. Larraz's artwork is terrific and hopefully this arc continues the positive march in quality towards a fortieth issue.
 
Anyone else get Superman Unchained? I really enjoyed it. The first issue is promising. Not the best Superman book I've ever read, but better than Action and Superman right now.

I was hugely surprised how much I disliked the first issue. Way overpriced! $4.99 for 24 pages of material. And even though 2 of those pages is the poster pages, all that did was take away from my enjoyment. Nothing on either side warranted the annoyance factor it produced. Snyder has done so much better in almost everything else he's done, my expectations were high. It's just overhyped junk.
 
Really? After seeing Man of Steel, I was kinda pumped to go back to the LCS and pick it up. Its no good? I like what Snyder does with Batman. That's a bummer. I was looking forward to trying a Superman ongoing.
 
I was really considering getting it but the poster gimmick and price-tag was such a turn off. No poster and at most a $4 price-tag MIGHT have convinced me to give it a shot. I figure I'll hold off and if reviews are sounding good after an issue or two I might give it a shot.
 
No, that's no fun. We should go and buy it and take a shot and then make up our own minds.
 
I enjoyed Superman Unchained, ironically the whole fold out deal put me off more than the price tag though.

Loved Venom and Batman this week.
 
I enjoyed Superman Unchained, ironically the whole fold out deal put me off more than the price tag though.

I agree Thwip!, Superman Unchained was a great read and it was what Superman should have been at the beginning of the New 52. The price didn't bother me however that folded poster page part of the story could have been left out and replaced with 8 to 10 more pages of story. I'll keep checking it out through the first arc as I'm sure it'll drop to $3.99 but I think I will have to drops some other books to add Unchained into rotation.
 
I'm leaning toward getting the trade because I don't see them having a poster inside of that.
 
In saught/thought, I was extremely disappointed in Man Of Steel. It was far too long, it seemed to be made to try and appeal to what Warner Bros. believes the summer movie going public wants to see in a comic movie and not to what Superman is all about, and there was zero heart in this film. The film missed on so many areas, which I'd love to go into, but don't want to ruin the film for anyone who didn't see it.
 
My only complaint was the love story between Lois Lane and Superman, but I loved the rest of the film. And I don't think it was too long at all. It was long, but it didn't feel long. I was sucked in.
 
I enjoyed the movie as well but the love story was kind of force and the fact that
Lois knows Clark is Superman
ruins the whole dynamic of their relationship for me. I did enjoy Russell Crowe as Jor El and Henry Cavill. As a matter of fact was it just me or did anyone else notice
Cavill looked a lot like Christopher Reeves near the end when he was flying up the gravity beam?
 
MAN OF STEEL spoilers...

That was the biggest surprise for me, just how quickly Lois figured it all out, and you're right, that dynamic is lost. But to be honest, I'd felt like we'd seen that dynamic enough. It was great for the movies to actually speed right past that and get to a point in their relationship we haven't seen in live action before. I can't wait to see how their relationship grows in the next one.

EDIT: Oh and that reminds me of one of my favorite lines, which in my opinion, solidified the love story...

Superman: Thank you for believing in me.
Lois: It didn't make much difference in the end.
Superman: It did to me.
 
In saught/thought, I was extremely disappointed in Man Of Steel. It was far too long, it seemed to be made to try and appeal to what Warner Bros. believes the summer movie going public wants to see in a comic movie and not to what Superman is all about, and there was zero heart in this film. The film missed on so many areas, which I'd love to go into, but don't want to ruin the film for anyone who didn't see it.

Too long? It was like 2 hours long, which is pretty standard for most summer movies, some are even longer. I can't agree about no heart, either, I thought the heart shone a lot throughout the film, especially with the actors who all gave strong performances. Even if there are certain things I didn't like, I felt like there was a real strong effort put behind this film.

As far as the love story goes:

I definitely thought it was odd that Lois found out so quickly, or that she found out at all. But I'm not against it per say, because it'll create an interesting dynamic that we haven't seen very often from their relationship

MAN OF STEEL spoilers...

That was the biggest surprise for me, just how quickly Lois figured it all out, and you're right, that dynamic is lost. But to be honest, I'd felt like we'd seen that dynamic enough. It was great for the movies to actually speed right past that and get to a point in their relationship we haven't seen in live action before. I can't wait to see how their relationship grows in the next one.

The New Adventures of Lois and Clark explored that near the end of the series, when Lois finally found out Clark was Supes
 
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The movie clocks in at 2 hours and 23 minutes. A good 20 minutes should have been shaved off of it.

Well, like I said, Warner Bros. wasn't trying to make a Superman movie, they were shooting for "summer blockbuster." In spoiler fashion, here are just some of the complaints that I remember thinking about while watching the film.

The beginning sequence:

All the crap at the beginning was just too much. Sure, they had to show why General Zod was to be considered such a bad guy (and, the actor playing Zod did well with what he had); but, I don't think you could really get an average audience member to tell you why Zod was so upset with the council. The director shoved too much at us in a small period of time, and it all seemed to happen in less than a day's time.

On thing that stuck out in my mind was the Phantom Zone. It made zero sense why the destruction of Krypton would release them from the Phantom Zone; and, as they are being lifted into the device that took them to the Zone, it looked like bunch of phallic symbols.

The middle part:

Superman/Clark Kent was never suppose to be this dark. Superman isn't Batman ... and, for that point, it isn't even suppose to be Spider-Man. I think the director/writer looked at the success of both of those previous franchises and decided that was how the movie should be made. Richard Donner made a Superman movie. This is not a Superman movie. There is no heart to the film, and I could care less for any of the characters. They were all two-dimensional characterizations from other superhero movies (or comics). This is most evident with Uncle Ben ... oops, I mean Clark's father. The minute we see the car scene and Clark insults his father, the movie screams "HERE COMES THE DEATH OF THE FATHER!" We don't need an Uncle Ben moment with Superman. It's probably the worst moment in the film, even worse than the lack-of-chemistry romance.

Clark's youth is Peter Parker's youth. Tormented with powers, yet he cannot use them. Clark's dad is only around to give speech after speech, yet you never see any real love and interaction between them past that. Clark's father is suppose to be uplifting; but, this version is just restricting. Plus, it sends a bad message. (Save the life of a pet over a true loved one. That was the true crime. Clark shouldn't feel so bad, it's the mother who should be crying by telling them to go back for the mutt. And, of course, in true Hollywood fashion, you cannot have he dog die in a film.)

Lois is big fail. Does the woman have a different outfit to wear? I absolutely love Amy Adams; but, the director should be ashamed for wasting her talent with this fluff. Margot Kidder showed us a true Lois Lane, and Donner made her essential to the movie. You could believe a man could fly; but, you could also believe an alien could love a human. I found more passion between her and Jimmy. (Oh, don't get me started on the lame version of Jimmy Olsen.)

Of course, as touched upon, Lois should not know Superman's identity, especially before he even gets hired on by the Daily Planet.

The end:

This is where a little editing could have gone a long, long way. We saw way too much destruction of Metropolis and it's buildings. So much so, all I could think of while watching is how little Superman cares about human life ... unless the life is Lois Lane. This was made extremely ridiculous when he kills Zod in the end for threatening to kill a family of four. How many millions died with his rampage, yet he is devastated by the possible death of four more??? It was laughable. At this point, I was bored, and just thought how much better Superman 2 was by being in a smaller town. I've had enough big city destruction in movies. I'm numb to it by now.

Oh, and Superman doesn't kill. Remember the big fallout with him and Wonder Woman because she killed someone in the same fashion he just did? (I can't remember exactly, but didn't she do the head move in the same way?)

I could probably go on; but, my son is begging for the computer. I think I remembered the main arguments. What I remember most is the crowd was quiet at the end, which is unusual with a summer blockbuster.
 
The movie clocks in at 2 hours and 23 minutes. A good 20 minutes should have been shaved off of it.

I actually had to look this up. It didn't feel like 2 and a half hours to me at all.

Well, like I said, Warner Bros. wasn't trying to make a Superman movie, they were shooting for "summer blockbuster." In spoiler fashion, here are just some of the complaints that I remember thinking about while watching the film.
I'm not sure I understand why these two things are mutually exclusive.

The beginning sequence:

All the crap at the beginning was just too much. Sure, they had to show why General Zod was to be considered such a bad guy (and, the actor playing Zod did well with what he had); but, I don't think you could really get an average audience member to tell you why Zod was so upset with the council. The director shoved too much at us in a small period of time, and it all seemed to happen in less than a day's time.

On thing that stuck out in my mind was the Phantom Zone. It made zero sense why the destruction of Krypton would release them from the Phantom Zone; and, as they are being lifted into the device that took them to the Zone, it looked like bunch of phallic symbols.
I thought it was pretty clear that Zod didn't like the direction that the council had taken Krypton. It was the same with Jor-El, but Zod took a far more extreme approach. I honestly felt like this section was some of the best.

Also, I think the implication was that the Phantom Zone was controlled via means directly on Krypton, so when it went, whatever controlling it went, too, therefore disabling it.

The middle part:

Superman/Clark Kent was never suppose to be this dark. Superman isn't Batman ... and, for that point, it isn't even suppose to be Spider-Man. I think the director/writer looked at the success of both of those previous franchises and decided that was how the movie should be made. Richard Donner made a Superman movie. This is not a Superman movie. There is no heart to the film, and I could care less for any of the characters. They were all two-dimensional characterizations from other superhero movies (or comics). This is most evident with Uncle Ben ... oops, I mean Clark's father. The minute we see the car scene and Clark insults his father, the movie screams "HERE COMES THE DEATH OF THE FATHER!" We don't need an Uncle Ben moment with Superman. It's probably the worst moment in the film, even worse than the lack-of-chemistry romance.
Superman himself wasn't dark, even if the story is. Really, even after this lengthy paragraph, I'm still not sure why you think this wasn't a Superman movie. Because Pa Kent dies? Okay, I guess. Even though you're off, his death does not spark his want to become Superman, if anything it assures that he'll stay Clark Kent until he finds out his true calling. I found Costner to be far from two dimensional

And I'm still baffled by this lack of heart stuff you're saying.

Clark's youth is Peter Parker's youth. Tormented with powers, yet he cannot use them. Clark's dad is only around to give speech after speech, yet you never see any real love and interaction between them past that. Clark's father is suppose to be uplifting; but, this version is just restricting. Plus, it sends a bad message. (Save the life of a pet over a true loved one. That was the true crime. Clark shouldn't feel so bad, it's the mother who should be crying by telling them to go back for the mutt. And, of course, in true Hollywood fashion, you cannot have he dog die in a film.)
You seem to be under the impression that this is the very first story in which Superman isn't sure what to do about his powers. Besides, you're ignoring context to farther your point here for sure. Clark's struggle with what to do with his powers is vastly different than Peter's, not to mention that he helped people from the beginning, unlike Peter.

And no love? That scene where he shows Clark his ship was wonderful.

Lois is big fail. Does the woman have a different outfit to wear? I absolutely love Amy Adams; but, the director should be ashamed for wasting her talent with this fluff. Margot Kidder showed us a true Lois Lane, and Donner made her essential to the movie. You could believe a man could fly; but, you could also believe an alien could love a human. I found more passion between her and Jimmy. (Oh, don't get me started on the lame version of Jimmy Olsen.)
I really don't see how Adams was less essential here than Kidder in any of Donnor's film. Also, Jenny isn't suppose to be Jimmy, I'm not sure where people are getting that. I've not read anything to that effect

Of course, as touched upon, Lois should not know Superman's identity, especially before he even gets hired on by the Daily Planet.
It's different, but it's not necessarily bad

The end:

This is where a little editing could have gone a long, long way. We saw way too much destruction of Metropolis and it's buildings. So much so, all I could think of while watching is how little Superman cares about human life ... unless the life is Lois Lane. This was made extremely ridiculous when he kills Zod in the end for threatening to kill a family of four. How many millions died with his rampage, yet he is devastated by the possible death of four more??? It was laughable. At this point, I was bored, and just thought how much better Superman 2 was by being in a smaller town. I've had enough big city destruction in movies. I'm numb to it by now.

Oh, and Superman doesn't kill. Remember the big fallout with him and Wonder Woman because she killed someone in the same fashion he just did? (I can't remember exactly, but didn't she do the head move in the same way?)

I could probably go on; but, my son is begging for the computer. I think I remembered the main arguments. What I remember most is the crowd was quiet at the end, which is unusual with a summer blockbuster.
Let me ask you a question: When you read a comic book with mass destruction, do you think about all the people that probably died in all of the fight? I know I don't. This is one of those arguments that really only pops up when someone wants to make a point, because by this definition, every superhero with powers is a stone-cold killer, because of the mass destruction caused in their fights. It's some of a dead zone of comics, and I don't have an issue in over-looking it here. If anything, I think the mass destruction adds very much to the feel of this being a Superman film, because when Superman does throw down, it usually gets pretty destructive.

I didn't care for the Zod part, either, but it's worth noting that Zod was also killed in Superman II, and has been in the comics, by Superman. I don't know why, guess he just gets the **** end of the stick when it comes to Superman's rare kill
 
Darn it, I hate dealing with quotes and spoilers.I actually had to look this up. It didn't feel like 2 and a half hours to me at all.

I'm not sure I understand why these two things are mutually exclusive.

I thought it was pretty clear that Zod didn't like the direction that the council had taken Krypton. It was the same with Jor-El, but Zod took a far more extreme approach. I honestly felt like this section was some of the best.

Also, I think the implication was that the Phantom Zone was controlled via means directly on Krypton, so when it went, whatever controlling it went, too, therefore disabling it.

Yes, it's understandable that he didn't like the direction the council was taking; but, I cannot remember what was so bad that he decided military action was required with such vengeance. I can understand Zor-El's disagreements when it came to actual live births; but, it seemed like Zod didn't agree with Zor-El making a kid, too.

Superman himself wasn't dark, even if the story is. Really, even after this lengthy paragraph, I'm still not sure why you think this wasn't a Superman movie. Because Pa Kent dies? Okay, I guess. Even though you're off, his death does not spark his want to become Superman, if anything it assures that he'll stay Clark Kent until he finds out his true calling. I found Costner to be far from two dimensional

And I'm still baffled by this lack of heart stuff you're saying.

This is probably where one cannot go too much into an argument over "lack of heart." I didn't feel it, and you did. Nothing gave me a moment of heartbreak, and more often I found much of it laughable. (The one exception was where Perry White was trying to save the lady as they were about to die.) To me, there is nothing to the characters. They are as flat as the paper they were written on.

It's also not the Pa Kent dies. It's that they had to resort to making it a Peter Parker Uncle Ben style death. The best deaths are those you do not see coming. That one you saw a mile away when Clark insults the father. (A great death would be the Red Wedding in Game Of Thrones.)

I really don't see how Adams was less essential here than Kidder in any of Donnor's film. Also, Jenny isn't suppose to be Jimmy, I'm not sure where people are getting that. I've not read anything to that effect

You cared about Kidder's Lois. I really went in wanting to love Adams' Lois, too; but, it lacked severely. Superman 2, which was mostly a Donner film, made you care for her character. She finally came off the comic page and her death was unexpected and significant.

Let me ask you a question: When you read a comic book with mass destruction, do you think about all the people that probably died in all of the fight? I know I don't. This is one of those arguments that really only pops up when someone wants to make a point, because by this definition, every superhero with powers is a stone-cold killer, because of the mass destruction caused in their fights. It's some of a dead zone of comics, and I don't have an issue in over-looking it here. If anything, I think the mass destruction adds very much to the feel of this being a Superman film, because when Superman does throw down, it usually gets pretty destructive.

I didn't care for the Zod part, either, but it's worth noting that Zod was also killed in Superman II, and has been in the comics, by Superman. I don't know why, guess he just gets the **** end of the stick when it comes to Superman's rare kill

I do think about destruction and loss of life and how well it's handled afterwards. This was even more apparent by Superman's disregard for all the million of deaths happening around him, caused by him; and, yet, they want to stress how much life is important in the end? I talked with other movie-goers, and the echoed my feelings about this. It truly took away what was suppose to be a huge, emotional scene.

I think the destruction of large city buildings does weigh more on the average American after 9/11. When I see large buildings come down, I always seem to think about those horrific events. It's in the back of my mind. It won't ruin a movie for me; but, it does stir back memories of that chilling morning. For a while, movies and tv steered clear of it; but, now it's acceptable. (Not saying it shouldn't be; but, there is going to be those memories that come back for a good number of people.) I think often people in the movies want you to remember 9/11, trying to get more of an impact to the violence.

Finally, I kept thinking how much I enjoyed the original three villians from Superman 2. This Zod was good, but Terrance Stamp was better. And, the female villain can't even compare to the original. (The third guy, sorry I can't remember any of their names off the top of my head, was memorable too. The new version was just faceless.)

There are a few things I liked about the film. It did have more action than the last Superman; and, I loved we didn't have to deal with Lex Luthor. Still, since the film is starting over the franchise, I could have had less action and more characterization. I wouldn't have minded more Smallville in the film, too. There was no love for small town life like Superman should have. He just seemed oppressed, except for his family life.
 
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Dammit, I haven't seen this movie yet and probably won't be able to until at least next week. Hopefully everyone keeps the spoiler tags intact.
 
The conversation should probably go to some Man of Steel thread being that it's fairly off-topic. Plus, it's new comic book day... so we should have new things to talk about :D
 
X-Factor today. I am really going to miss this book when it's gone. :(
 
While I'm sad to see such a long and highly praised run end, I'm a little excited. Not being a reader of the title, this might free up the characters to head elsewhere... hopefully books I'm reading.

I read a comment by Alonso or someone who said that things will be shifted after the event, including X-Factor. So either there's going to be a relaunch or those characters will be finding new homes.
 
Really looking forward to The X-Files starting back up again today. That's my favorite show of all time.
 
While I'm sad to see such a long and highly praised run end, I'm a little excited. Not being a reader of the title, this might free up the characters to head elsewhere... hopefully books I'm reading.

I read a comment by Alonso or someone who said that things will be shifted after the event, including X-Factor. So either there's going to be a relaunch or those characters will be finding new homes.

Sorry about jacking your thread with Superman talk. I think I only do the two threads on here; so, it's my one section where I will talk about a movie I've seen.

I'm happy X-Factor is ending. It was great when it started out; but it's only had little moments since the stupid idea to age Layla. I also figure it's just another book that will get a #1 relaunch. Personally, I would like to see David on a totally different book. (Or have him go independant with a fresh idea not weighed down by established characters.)
 
I agree about X-Factor. I loved it until they got back from the future. It's been moderately mediocre ever since. And I think it peaked after two years, just prior to Messiah Complex.

Personally, I'd love to see Peter David on a new Spider-Man 2099 title. Here's hoping.
 
Age of Ultron #10

I bought seven comics at the local shop today and, although Age of Ultron #10 is the only comic I've read yet, I can safely say it will be the worst of the lot. Marvel's first event of 2013 began with a strong concept: Ultron, one of the Avenger's greatest foes, conquered the planet (ala Apocalypse from the similarly themed Age of Apaocalypse). We were promised a post-apocalyptic tale detailing the final struggle of Man vs. Machine. Instead, Bendis delivered a mediocre time travel story that featured next to no Ultron, numerous continuity issues, and an unsatisfying conclusion. AOU #10 takes place within the events of Avengers #12.1, written by Bendis almost 2 years ago, and serves as an abrupt conclusion to Ultron as a character and this unneccessary event in general. As has been spoiled by numerous websites, the issue concludes with the timestream shattering (due to the abuse of time travel within the 616 universe). This allows Marvel to shoe-horn in characters that don't really fit (Angela) and set up awkward crossovers with titles and series occuring outside the 616 universe (Galactus in the Ultimate Universe). In the end, AOU was a tremendous waste of time and money. It was neither a good story nor essential to the future of the Marvel Universe. To all those who complained about Fear Itself and AVX, stay far away from Age of Ultron. You'll be much happier if you do. 1 out of 5 stars.
 

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