The Ongoing Serie A, La Liga, All English Football, Champions League Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 55

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I think so, or maybe even Newcastle. Wouldn't be surprised to see City take a punt either, just to troll everyone.
I mean, I’d definitely take him! For City I just noticed Kalvin Phillips picking up a winners medal today and realised I’d completely forgotten about him. Rice would be an upgrade to him, especially if any other CM players are leaving.
 
For me, he is WAY too expensive for the type of midfielder he is & also just how good in general he currently is. David Moyes is talking about £120m for him which I find laughable.
That’s probably just talking up the price rather than him thinking he’s worth that. I reckon he’s worth £80m.
 
I mean, I’d definitely take him! For City I just noticed Kalvin Phillips picking up a winners medal today and realised I’d completely forgotten about him. Rice would be an upgrade to him, especially if any other CM players are leaving.
I agree. I could see a scenario where that could play out.
 
I don't think he will ultimately go for that amount. I think the price will fall in between the £80-90m range.

That’s probably just talking up the price rather than him thinking he’s worth that. I reckon he’s worth £80m.

I don't think he'll go for that (£120m) either primarily because I don't think anybody in their right mind would pay it. Even £80m I think is on the high side, from my perspective unless you're in some sort of bind to get more home grown players to meet registration requirements for the PL or CL, I wouldn't be held to ransom & pay through the nose for him on account of he's English.
 
Yeah, one of my favourite recent goals, pretty unique.

I’d like to see Arsenal competing going forward so hopefully they have another great season and build on what they achieved here. Even if they improve though, that may have been their best chance at a league title - until Pep leaves at least.

Late reply so some of this is now pretty much resolved. Looks like our teams had just about enough to get it over the line with Liverpool not maxing out their available points. Also Real are now out of the picture (in spectacular style) so it’s all down to Utd and Inter. I wouldn’t be surprised if Inter got steamrolled in the final, especially if City manage to get an early goal and force them to attack. If this treble happens it will feel very undramatic compared to Utd’s!

I was half-expecting Brighton to start falling away after losing Potter and so many of their big players. It shows how important player recruitment without going for obvious expensive targets is. I think it’s no coincidence that Newcastle jumped in to get Dan Ashworth from Brighton after seeing how strong their process is.

:hehe: Poor Frank.

I’m hoping we can contribute to sending Leicester down next game. Otherwise it’s all down to the last game now and we’re going to lose one big team at least out of Everton and Leeds.

Makes sense :up: Xhaka, Partey, Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Jesus are a solid front 6 for Arsenal. If they can build on that and deepen their squad, it could be interesting next season. Should be able to keep the momentum going with the extra champions league place (I believe from next season) and Spurs and Chelsea possibly not being at the races still.

I'd have it in the mix for goal of the season.

Yeah it's going to be hard for any team to topple City, once Guardiola figured out how to fully utilize Haaland within his play style and system they are more dangerous than ever.

Yeah our teams have gotten the wins needed and that was a bad dropped 2 points for Liverpool on Saturday. I saw Real got smoked :( I hope we can stop them, there's always something hollow about any records City or PSG get.

Brighton are the Dortmund of the PL, their recruitment of players and the right managers is first class and I'm not surprised Newcastle have grabbed him, the smart way Howe has built his squad so far certainly fits with the Brighton model.

Lol Another example of a top player not necessarily making a top manager.

I think you'll beat Leicester comfortably tonight and on the final day I see Everton getting enough to stay up, Leeds look done after the West Ham defeat.

I didn't realize the PL was getting a 5th Champions League spot from next season, not a big fan of that to be honest, but there's lots for Newcastle, Man Utd and Arsenal to build on and Klopp will almost certainly have Liverpool back in the mix.


For me, he is WAY too expensive for the type of midfielder he is & also just how good in general he currently is. David Moyes is talking about £120m for him which I find laughable.

Agreed, decent DM but not on Casemiro's level and now they're trying to turn him into a #8, I can see him going to Chelsea though as they're his club, him and Enzo Fernandez can make the most expensive midfield pairing in football! I'd take Kovacic at United on a free lol.
 
I'd have it in the mix for goal of the season.

Yeah it's going to be hard for any team to topple City, once Guardiola figured out how to fully utilize Haaland within his play style and system they are more dangerous than ever.

Yeah our teams have gotten the wins needed and that was a bad dropped 2 points for Liverpool on Saturday. I saw Real got smoked :( I hope we can stop them, there's always something hollow about any records City or PSG get.

Brighton are the Dortmund of the PL, their recruitment of players and the right managers is first class and I'm not surprised Newcastle have grabbed him, the smart way Howe has built his squad so far certainly fits with the Brighton model.

Lol Another example of a top player not necessarily making a top manager.

I think you'll beat Leicester comfortably tonight and on the final day I see Everton getting enough to stay up, Leeds look done after the West Ham defeat.

I didn't realize the PL was getting a 5th Champions League spot from next season, not a big fan of that to be honest, but there's lots for Newcastle, Man Utd and Arsenal to build on and Klopp will almost certainly have Liverpool back in the mix.




Agreed, decent DM but not on Casemiro's level and now they're trying to turn him into a #8, I can see him going to Chelsea though as they're his club, him and Enzo Fernandez can make the most expensive midfield pairing in football! I'd take Kovacic at United on a free lol.
Certainly deserves a spot IMO. I like unusual goals like that.

May have to wait till Pep goes, or Haaland goes, for anyone to have a look in, although Alvarez also looks very promising. Having him and Foden to bring off the bench is kind of insane.

You probably have more chance than Inter of getting the job done, but City should be strong favourites for both games.

Players are too specialised. You'd think CMs would have more chance given they can have influence and contact all over the park, but there is a ton more to management than what you pick up as a player

It would be super-interesting if Brighton could become like a Dortmund and hang around in the Euro places long term, but in the short term they are probably at risk of losing their talented recruitment staff to bigger clubs (plus already sold a ton of good players, lost Potter and Ashworth).

I'm hoping we smash Leicester, but they also still have a small chance of staying up if they win on the last day (home to West Ham) and the other results go their way. Anything can happen on one day of results. They have the better goal difference of the 3 clubs too (6 better than Everton).

The 5th place will be dependant on being one of the 2 best performing leagues in Europe in the prior season, and the wording I've seen is slightly ambiguous as to whether it's next season or the season after. It's supposed to affect the 2024 CL anyway so if that's correct I would have thought the 23/24 season's league table would determine which teams play in the CL and the number of places be determined by this season's (22/23) Euro performance - although I guess they could use next season's, but that would mean the number of places wouldn't be known in advance. My way is the logical way lol but it also seems very soon after the discussions took place and I don't see any articles or commentators ever discussing the importance of this season's Euro results so that introduces some uncertainty. If it happens I guess you'd expect City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd And Newcastle, assuming Chelsea haven't sorted themselves out by the beginning of the season and Spurs remain Spurs. :D
 
We attacked Leicester all the way till the last few mins when Leicester finally woke up lol. Until that very late salvo we had over 80% possession and 23 shots compared to zero from them. Leicester actually looked a bit dangerous right at the end in injury time but despite not getting a win after all that attacking, I’m so glad to get back into the CL after so many years!
 
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Congrats to Newcastle making it back the CL, always fun when somebody new makes it into the big Euro competition to spice things up and will be fun to follow them in it next season. Fully deserved too as they have been great for large parts of the season and one of the few sides to even give City a game earlier in the season. Going to be some electric CL nights at St James park next season, especially if they sign a few big players in the summer as well, this could really be a turning point for the club. Massive result of a season for them, could be the first step to even greater things for them.
 
Agreed, decent DM but not on Casemiro's level and now they're trying to turn him into a #8, I can see him going to Chelsea though as they're his club, him and Enzo Fernandez can make the most expensive midfield pairing in football! I'd take Kovacic at United on a free lol.

I agree, he's a good player & I do like him, but he's essentially a ball winning midfielder. It's not a position I would pay £80m+ for unless the player is.. well, more complete than Declan Rice or/and is literally a World Class ball winning midfielder that, alone, can revolutionise your midfield. I don't know if Rice does that to any of the clubs he's connected with.

If Rice was available for say no less than £80m & as far as Manchester United goes let's assume we have that to spend, I'd rather sign Ruben Neves, who was reportedly available for £30m last summer & I'd also sign Ward-Prowse for say probably another £30m. I'd let McTominay leave or part-trade him for Ward-Prowse if Southampton would take him & I'd keep Fred/Eriksen as backups/rotation. It's not ideal, but we'd have more depth, in theory be better in possession, have a couple of good set-piece takers also. Kovacic would also do & you could even sell Fred also hopefully getting about £20m for him, you could upgrade your midfield for relatively very little by today's standard.

We need a goalscorer & ideally a CB to be Varane's rotation given he can't seem to play 2 games a week without picking up a knock.. but the goalscorer for me is top priority.
 
Congrats to Newcastle making it back the CL, always fun when somebody new makes it into the big Euro competition to spice things up and will be fun to follow them in it next season. Fully deserved too as they have been great for large parts of the season and one of the few sides to even give City a game earlier in the season. Going to be some electric CL nights at St James park next season, especially if they sign a few big players in the summer as well, this could really be a turning point for the club. Massive result of a season for them, could be the first step to even greater things for them.
I hope so! Home CL ties are going to be my most anticipated games. Can’t really believe we’re going to be in it again after so long.
 
Certainly deserves a spot IMO. I like unusual goals like that.

May have to wait till Pep goes, or Haaland goes, for anyone to have a look in, although Alvarez also looks very promising. Having him and Foden to bring off the bench is kind of insane.

You probably have more chance than Inter of getting the job done, but City should be strong favourites for both games.

Players are too specialised. You'd think CMs would have more chance given they can have influence and contact all over the park, but there is a ton more to management than what you pick up as a player

It would be super-interesting if Brighton could become like a Dortmund and hang around in the Euro places long term, but in the short term they are probably at risk of losing their talented recruitment staff to bigger clubs (plus already sold a ton of good players, lost Potter and Ashworth).

I'm hoping we smash Leicester, but they also still have a small chance of staying up if they win on the last day (home to West Ham) and the other results go their way. Anything can happen on one day of results. They have the better goal difference of the 3 clubs too (6 better than Everton).

The 5th place will be dependant on being one of the 2 best performing leagues in Europe in the prior season, and the wording I've seen is slightly ambiguous as to whether it's next season or the season after. It's supposed to affect the 2024 CL anyway so if that's correct I would have thought the 23/24 season's league table would determine which teams play in the CL and the number of places be determined by this season's (22/23) Euro performance - although I guess they could use next season's, but that would mean the number of places wouldn't be known in advance. My way is the logical way lol but it also seems very soon after the discussions took place and I don't see any articles or commentators ever discussing the importance of this season's Euro results so that introduces some uncertainty. If it happens I guess you'd expect City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd And Newcastle, assuming Chelsea haven't sorted themselves out by the beginning of the season and Spurs remain Spurs. :D

Me too, like of all the goals Pele attempted to score the most unuque ever, and this one always stood out for me.




City's squad depth is otherworldly, I don't think there's any squad in Europe that can compare to it man for man, it's like trying to destroy the Death Star, we need a trench run!

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I agree that we have a better shot than Inter as we are much more familiar with City, but they're looking pretty unstoppable right now.

There are so many nuances to coaching now as well, with the more complex systems and different uses of players, not to mention in-game management coming more to the forefront.

That's the difficulty for Brighton, they have to hold on to the important cogs in their machine long enough to get a strong foothold in the top 7, Dortmund for instance only usually sell one big player pre summer, no mass exodus stuff like at Ajax.

I was really surprised to see Leicester get a point last night, suddenly things look really grim for Everton and Leeds are all but down.

Lol Spursing needs to be officially added to the dictionary. :D honestly these European competitions have gotten more and more convoluted, I remember the days when only the actual winners of leagues went into the European Cup, now the team who sold the most pies at halftime across the season gets in!


I agree, he's a good player & I do like him, but he's essentially a ball winning midfielder. It's not a position I would pay £80m+ for unless the player is.. well, more complete than Declan Rice or/and is literally a World Class ball winning midfielder that, alone, can revolutionise your midfield. I don't know if Rice does that to any of the clubs he's connected with.

If Rice was available for say no less than £80m & as far as Manchester United goes let's assume we have that to spend, I'd rather sign Ruben Neves, who was reportedly available for £30m last summer & I'd also sign Ward-Prowse for say probably another £30m. I'd let McTominay leave or part-trade him for Ward-Prowse if Southampton would take him & I'd keep Fred/Eriksen as backups/rotation. It's not ideal, but we'd have more depth, in theory be better in possession, have a couple of good set-piece takers also. Kovacic would also do & you could even sell Fred also hopefully getting about £20m for him, you could upgrade your midfield for relatively very little by today's standard.

We need a goalscorer & ideally a CB to be Varane's rotation given he can't seem to play 2 games a week without picking up a knock.. but the goalscorer for me is top priority.

Striker is definitely the priority I agree, I'm not massively keen on the ones we are being linked with, Kane has obviously been a world class #9 and has the all round game that suits Ten Hag, but he's nearly 30 and has had his fair share of injuries, it just feels like it could be another high expenditure for a short term fix. Osimehn is technically loose with average link play and Vlahovic doesn't look good enough to me.

I like the link to the South Korean CB from Napoli, he's a good age to come in and join the rotation with Lindelof, not the type who'll be in a huff if he's not starting every week.

It's crazy that we are still talking about midfield isn't mate? I feel we need a truly elite #8 and a squad DM to cover for Casemiro, Rice isn't either of these for me. McTominay definitely needs to go along with Maguire, and I'd like our midfield options to like below at the start of next season.

DM - Casemiro/Alvarez
#8 - New #8/Fred
#10/#8 - Bruno/Eriksen

I'd dip back into Ajax for Alvarez who I think would be happy to be a squad player for Ten Hag and shouldn't cost too much. For the #8 Bellingham is tye dream, I'm sure Ten Hag will want to try for De Jong again and I could see Macallister being an option, it's possible he even sees the versatile Kudus from Ajax as an option and I'd hope we'd have an interest in Barella from Inter.
 

Yeah, posted a few things about this over the last few days. Absolute disgrace how Vinicius has been treated by opposing club fans and those who run La Liga. Very concerning when a whole stand of fans can be chanting like this with little opposition from other fans amongst them. When it’s this blatant, matches need to be stopped and the win awarded to the other team. Needs to be substantial sentences for the people involved too. Also if the organisers of La Liga aren’t doing anything to resolve it, they themselves should be sanctioned.
 
Striker is definitely the priority I agree, I'm not massively keen on the ones we are being linked with, Kane has obviously been a world class #9 and has the all round game that suits Ten Hag, but he's nearly 30 and has had his fair share of injuries, it just feels like it could be another high expenditure for a short term fix. Osimehn is technically loose with average link play and Vlahovic doesn't look good enough to me.

I like the link to the South Korean CB from Napoli, he's a good age to come in and join the rotation with Lindelof, not the type who'll be in a huff if he's not starting every week.

It's crazy that we are still talking about midfield isn't mate? I feel we need a truly elite #8 and a squad DM to cover for Casemiro, Rice isn't either of these for me. McTominay definitely needs to go along with Maguire, and I'd like our midfield options to like below at the start of next season.

DM - Casemiro/Alvarez
#8 - New #8/Fred
#10/#8 - Bruno/Eriksen

I'd dip back into Ajax for Alvarez who I think would be happy to be a squad player for Ten Hag and shouldn't cost too much. For the #8 Bellingham is tye dream, I'm sure Ten Hag will want to try for De Jong again and I could see Macallister being an option, it's possible he even sees the versatile Kudus from Ajax as an option and I'd hope we'd have an interest in Barella from Inter.

Same, there's very few I look at & I think he's a slam dunk, 25+ goals a season a striker.. with the exception of Kane. I'd take him in a heartbeat as a 2-3 short term fix if the price was right, which with Levy involved, it almost certainly won't be.. however he does only have 1 year left on his deal so you never know. If he could be signed in the £65m region, maybe with like £10m in add ons based on goals & team success, I think that would be fine. Realistically we are probably his only option as I don't think he'll want to leave England as he wants Shearer's record.

I saw that to, Kim Min-jae, I know nothing about him. Probably saw him the couple of times I watched Napoli in the CL & he didn't stick out.. which in many ways is an upgrade over Maguire because when he plays he sticks out like a sore thumb waiting for him to do something stupid.

It's always been an issue & particularly for me because, as I've said a million times to you as far back as the 35 year old+ Scholes days, CM is probably the most important position on the pitch, so it sickens me that we often are always missing something in that area. McTominay unquestionably should be done, simply isn't good enough at all. Works hard & has a good engine, but doesn't read the game well & he shys away from receiving the ball almost intentionally taking up bad positions so he can't get it, which infuriates me for a supposed CM to do.

There's a lot of good options that can improve quality & depth so we shouldn't be held to ransom or let it get into another one of these full window long sagas that drag on.

All in all, whoever we can or can't sign will be largely dependant on the supposed takeover which the Glazers are milking & prolonging as much as they can. We could end up with very little or late activity if it runs into the summer window.. if they even sell up at all.
 
Lovely goal by Brighton there - very clean strike. 1-1 with City right now after Haaland set up Foden for the first.
 
Brighton have also had 2 goals disallowed so they're certainly not rolling over.
 
Yesterday finished 1-1 to continue Brighton’s awesome season. Next up Utd Vs Chelsea with Utd just needing a point to confirm CL.
 
Casemiro puts Utd up already. To be fair Chelsea under Lampard are probably the easiest possible opposition at this stage. :D
 
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