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How crazy does that sound though when you read it laid out like that? All of that just to play some football matches with no fans and players who I imagine would rather be at home with their families since we are in the middle of an unprecedented pandemic, and on top of that for all the quarantine in the world we still don't know enough about this thing, it's already escalated in terms of now young and fit people are dying as well, to put all of these people at risk for something unimportant is madness and I reckon quite a few players will refuse to be part of it and legally they'd be withn their rights.
It sounds crazy, I agree. But consider this. They all should be in proper isolation anyways. They shouldn't doing what Jack Grealish did, because none of us should. Would them being under a proper, basically enforced quarantine be more dangerous then what a lot of them are already doing? Probably not. Also, these guys are getting paid crazy money right now to sit at home. Even as some don't understand that concept. 8 weeks in semi-isolation to make hundreds of thousands doesn't really sound like torture to me. I know I'd do it.

I spend he majority of time at home anyway so I don't get the stir crazy thing in truth, but why not just watch movies, listen to music, read, play videogames etc....? I mean in this day and age the entertainment options are vast without people potentially risking their lives.
I do all those things, and I am a big boy. I'll get through it. If for the simple fact that I can't risk it. I have two parents I have to take care of. This doesn't apply to everyone though. Just look at Grealish.
 
I'm torn over what I want to see happen to the remainder of the season. For selfish reasons, I'd like the season finished & completed. The main reason being is that Manchester United still have things to play for, we're arguably on paper the strongest team remaining in the Europa League. Also in the FA Cup quarter finals, although the teams remaining in the competition are still strong IMO & on top of that, we're well placed to get into the top 4 in the league securing CL football for the following season.

While I'd like the season completed, I don't want to see games played out behind closed doors. It isn't the same. Soulless is the perfect word to describe what games in empty stadiums is like, we played LASK behind closed doors in the Europa League & I thought it was poor to watch from an atmospheric perspective even on TV. The fans being in the stadiums is more important than people suggesting that it's fine to play out without them realise IMO.

I think the idea of trying to confine/quarantine the league to a region & playing games presumably in select stadiums, in a select time frame, with no fans, I think that idea sounds pretty crazy from the perspective of what's going on around the country & world, all for a game.. I also think it would be a struggle to achieve without some dip**** ruining it & breaking the quarantine.

Oh despite having said all this I don't want finishing this season to somehow delay or end up changing next season beyond all recognition ie with the potential of suspending of all European & Domestic cup competitions.

Basically, I want football back ASAP & I want it all back to normal. :(
 
I don’t discount the importance of the fans at all, but this is a simple question to me: Is having fans present more important than finishing the season?

For me it isn’t. Cordon off some English town with a decent stadium and let the footballers have the run of the place for a couple of months once they’ve all been tested negative for C19 and complete the season in 6 weeks, determine finishing places and move on.
 
It sounds crazy, I agree. But consider this. They all should be in proper isolation anyways. They shouldn't doing what Jack Grealish did, because none of us should. Would them being under a proper, basically enforced quarantine be more dangerous then what a lot of them are already doing? Probably not. Also, these guys are getting paid crazy money right now to sit at home. Even as some don't understand that concept. 8 weeks in semi-isolation to make hundreds of thousands doesn't really sound like torture to me. I know I'd do it.

For some of them the logic holds true, I agree, but how many of these players are family men that are at home with scared kids who would rather stay there and look after them than go and play a bunch of needless games? How many members of staff at these clubs and the TV companies will have to leave their families to go? and they aren't going to be making hundreds of thousands of pounds to do it, the risk could be halved if the games were just played and not televised but this has nothing to do with peoples lives or anything important, it has to do with the rich getting richer, and nothing more. Football is non essential in every way, it just seems ridiculous to me to take any risks when there is zero gain or reason besides making rich people even richer, it doesn't fly to me.



I do all those things, and I am a big boy. I'll get through it. If for the simple fact that I can't risk it. I have two parents I have to take care of. This doesn't apply to everyone though. Just look at Grealish.

As I mentioned above though, it will apply to plenty of the players though, not all are carefree and immature, they have families, including older parents to think of, I mean I can't even see my Mom and haven't for weeks, it might be months as the home she is in is naturally locked down and was so before it was made legally official, many sacrifices and hardships are on the way, scrapping a season that costs a bunch of clubs some money and a few top 4 or a promotion etc...isn't a big deal in the grand sceam.

As for Grealish, I meant to quote your other post last night, I never wanted him at United, not because he's not a good player but if we pay over £100M for Sancho who is our key target then the next big outlay needs to be on a proper DM, and the way we do business if we get 3 in then it's good work and usually one of them is a James type that you don't have to haggle over, so Igalho or Cavani who is on a free. We don't need to be paying £50-70M for a player who's best positions are the same ones Bruno and Rashford play in.
 
I don’t discount the importance of the fans at all, but this is a simple question to me: Is having fans present more important than finishing the season?

For me it isn’t. Cordon off some English town with a decent stadium and let the footballers have the run of the place for a couple of months once they’ve all been tested negative for C19 and complete the season in 6 weeks, determine finishing places and move on.

Why does finishing the season even matter? Who knows when proper football can resume with fans and travelling and so forth, so why go out of the way to finish something that is likely irrelevant?
 
Why does finishing the season even matter? Who knows when proper football can resume with fans and travelling and so forth, so why go out of the way to finish something that is likely irrelevant?

Because it will always call into question whether or not fixtures stand in future if we don't finish it. How can we trust results after this as even mattering if we're willing to scrap an entire season because of a 2-month hiatus? I think restarting in some capacity is going to be possible in May in all likelihood.

It took China 79 days to go from their outbreak to go to no new cases in Wuhan - it's not an eternity and Covid-19 isn't going to end up being some complete life-altering event, we'll go back to a semblance of normal life in relatively short order all things considered, and then football will continue and we'll need to know who was promoted and who got CL, etc. Can you imagine footballers coming back and telling them "You know what - all that hard work you did, scrap that, let's start from the top"? How inspired do you think teams are going to be who had skin in the game and could've achieved something to have all that negated but they've got to play their hearts out again, assuming it even counts this time and we don't have another C19 flare-up next year?

As I and others have said before, what sense does it make to scrap 75% of 19/20 to preserve 0% of 20/21 rather than completing 25% of 19/20 and affecting maybe 25% of 20/21? Finishing the season should be the FA's priority, and from a selfish perspective I just want to see some football played again.
 
Because it will always call into question whether or not fixtures stand in future if we don't finish it. How can we trust results after this as even mattering if we're willing to scrap an entire season because of a 2-month hiatus? I think restarting in some capacity is going to be possible in May in all likelihood.

It took China 79 days to go from their outbreak to go to no new cases in Wuhan - it's not an eternity and Covid-19 isn't going to end up being some complete life-altering event, we'll go back to a semblance of normal life in relatively short order all things considered, and then football will continue and we'll need to know who was promoted and who got CL, etc. Can you imagine footballers coming back and telling them "You know what - all that hard work you did, scrap that, let's start from the top"? How inspired do you think teams are going to be who had skin in the game and could've achieved something to have all that negated but they've got to play their hearts out again, assuming it even counts this time and we don't have another C19 flare-up next year?

As I and others have said before, what sense does it make to scrap 75% of 19/20 to preserve 0% of 20/21 rather than completing 25% of 19/20 and affecting maybe 25% of 20/21? Finishing the season should be the FA's priority, and from a selfish perspective I just want to see some football played again.

387 people have died in the UK in the last 24 hours alone, it's one thing to see schools and certain work places opening up by July or August, but unessicary large social gatherings will be held off on for quite some time, the head of our NHS said the other night to get ready for the lockdown to last a possible 6 months, it's insane that there has been little talk of when kids can resume their educations, but we need to make all kinds of moves to try and get some football matches played because the FA and the clubs are greedy.

If these players getting paid massively every week and are lucky enough to still be alive can't muster up the heart to play because a world wide pandemic like nothing we've seen before has stopped them getting a top 4 spot or a medal, then frankly **** them, for every hard luck story there will be teams and players that have caught a break through these cicrcumstances, that's life.

If they can start training by the end of this month with an aim to playing in May in front of fans then with the Euros canned maybe they can squeeze it in, but you also have to remember that some clubs have fixtures outside the PL so they could have to cram in twice as many games in a ludicrous amount of time which is going to lead to injuries. What I'm saying is that if it can't be completed by the end of June it should be scrapped and players should aim towards getting fit for a September start for the 20/21 season and clubs can focus on transfers. Selfishly I just want to be able to see my Mom again, I could give a **** about United's top 4 spot or cup chances, Liverpool's title or the relegation/promotion situation, this has taught everyone how little these things matter.
 
387 people have died in the UK in the last 24 hours alone, it's one thing to see schools and certain work places opening up by July or August, but unessicary large social gatherings will be held off on for quite some time, the head of our NHS said the other night to get ready for the lockdown to last a possible 6 months, it's insane that there has been little talk of when kids can resume their educations, but we need to make all kinds of moves to try and get some football matches played because the FA and the clubs are greedy.

If these players getting paid massively every week and are lucky enough to still be alive can't muster up the heart to play because a world wide pandemic like nothing we've seen before has stopped them getting a top 4 spot or a medal, then frankly **** them, for every hard luck story there will be teams and players that have caught a break through these cicrcumstances, that's life.

If they can start training by the end of this month with an aim to playing in May in front of fans then with the Euros canned maybe they can squeeze it in, but you also have to remember that some clubs have fixtures outside the PL so they could have to cram in twice as many games in a ludicrous amount of time which is going to lead to injuries. What I'm saying is that if it can't be completed by the end of June it should be scrapped and players should aim towards getting fit for a September start for the 20/21 season and clubs can focus on transfers. Selfishly I just want to be able to see my Mom again, I could give a **** about United's top 4 spot or cup chances, Liverpool's title or the relegation/promotion situation, this has taught everyone how little these things matter.
That is the thing. That only happens if you open the door for fans. I don't think they need fans there to finish the season. I get that you think fans are necessary, but we know they can play football behind closed doors. They do it, finish it, and then they can start setting up next season's calendar and adjust accordingly with how long this goes on.

None of this is ideal, of course. But they have options. Pro wrestling doesn't need to be happening right now and I'd understand if they stopped doing show. But I also know I am thankful for Wrestlemania this weekend.
 
I don’t discount the importance of the fans at all, but this is a simple question to me: Is having fans present more important than finishing the season?

For me it isn’t. Cordon off some English town with a decent stadium and let the footballers have the run of the place for a couple of months once they’ve all been tested negative for C19 and complete the season in 6 weeks, determine finishing places and move on.

In the grand scope of things I don't consider finishing the footballing season important at all with what's going on around us & the hardships people are currently having to go through.

In a vacuum however does having the fans present mean more than finishing the season? It's a yes & no question for me.

Yes in the sense that football is about the fans & about bringing communities together, the fans are the soul & lifeblood of the competition. Regardless of how big or how commercially driven the clubs might be, they are, or should I say, should be always about the fans & having them present is important... particularly now given that we're at the business end of the season in which trophies are handed out. Fans should be there for that, I mean without the fans to share the jubilation would winning & achieving something really be the same?

No in the sense that do the fans being there actually really affect anything on the field? Not really, biggest thing that will be affected with no fans is home field advantage will basically be negated.. some teams might even play better when there's less pressure & they don't hear the groans & moans from their own crowd when they make a mistake.

Basically my answer to that question is, I don't really know. I don't think it's a black & white, yes or no answer.
 
In the grand scope of things I don't consider finishing the footballing season important at all with what's going on around us & the hardships people are currently having to go through.

In a vacuum however does having the fans present mean more than finishing the season? It's a yes & no question for me.

Yes in the sense that football is about the fans & about bringing communities together, the fans are the soul & lifeblood of the competition. Regardless of how big or how commercially driven the clubs might be, they are, or should I say, should be always about the fans & having them present is important... particularly now given that we're at the business end of the season in which trophies are handed out. Fans should be there for that, I mean without the fans to share the jubilation would winning & achieving something really be the same?

No in the sense that do the fans being there actually really affect anything on the field? Not really, biggest thing that will be affected with no fans is home field advantage will basically be negated.. some teams might even play better when there's less pressure & they don't hear the groans & moans from their own crowd when they make a mistake.

Basically my answer to that question is, I don't really know. I don't think it's a black & white, yes or no answer.
The coolest crowd reactions shots I have ever seen were not at the stadium though. It was people in bars, people at giant watch parties losing their collective minds. You see it every World Cup and pretty much any time a team clinches at title in the US away from home. I think it would be rather fun to see people at home posting reaction videos to winning things. Might actually make the FA Cup mean something for the first time in 20 years. :hehe:

On the overall point, okay but then it is hard to argue bigger clubs should help smaller clubs. Because you can't expect bigger clubs or the PL to subsidize them when they are all about to take a hit. There is a reason Barca, Juve, Dortmund and others are doing what they are doing. The big clubs aren't going to die from this, but they will have to tighten their belts. They work with similar margins, and thus will be hit by a lack of revenue. There will be nothing to funnel down. FIFA talks about having a 2.7 bil war chest to help. Guess where it is going to go when teams expecting another 100m-200m from the end of the season aren't getting it. Those that prop up football's economy.
 
That is the thing. That only happens if you open the door for fans. I don't think they need fans there to finish the season. I get that you think fans are necessary, but we know they can play football behind closed doors. They do it, finish it, and then they can start setting up next season's calendar and adjust accordingly with how long this goes on.

None of this is ideal, of course. But they have options. Pro wrestling doesn't need to be happening right now and I'd understand if they stopped doing show. But I also know I am thankful for Wrestlemania this weekend.

The fans will gather around the grounds just like they did with the Dortmund vs PSG game, trust me football fans are not the brightest bulbs in the draw most of the time, unless you are talking about shutting a town down to play the games which is just insane, right now buildings are ditching events in the UK and US and turning their space into treatment centers, the idea of shutting a city down so a bunch of needless games can be played in soulless empty arenas is just luidcrous IMO, I mean did you watch our last game before the suspension? That performance was decent but it was trash to watch, like watching a sunday league game where you can hear the coaches shouting, and it's even worse when you don't care about the teams playing. I just can't rap my head around why anyone outisde of Liverpool fans or the teams with promotion chances even care, as I don't think there'll be any European football next season anyway, so basically all these sterile games, risk of spreading the virus more and all in the name of promoting 9 teams and one of them winning a PL title, it's bonkers to me that it's even being talked about when I see 387 people died in my country alone in the last 24 hours and I saw a 9 year old girl being kept alive on a ventilator.

The only reason WWE is still going is that it's ran by Vince McMahon and he's the epitome of CREAM. It's like the PL, if there wasn't stacks of TV money involved in it and the Championship then it would already have been canned.
 
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Premier League and EFL to meet PFA in hope of reaching wage deferral agreement

The PFA will meet with both Premier League and EFL officials on Wednesday to discuss player wages and whether they can agree a deferral of salaries during the current crisis.

On the agenda will be the suggestion of a collective agreement to cover all players from the Premier League to League Two, however the issue is a complex one with the varying levels of salaries involved.

Newcastle, Norwich and Tottenham and a high number of EFL clubs have announced that many non-playing staff have been furloughed in order to take up the benefits of the government financial scheme to preserve jobs.

A number of club owners and chairmen are warning that a wage deferral is inevitable if clubs are to get through the current situation and survive the financial burden.
 
Premier League and EFL agree season resumption only when 'safe and appropriate'

"The meeting reiterated that the overriding priority is the health and well-being of the nation - including that of players, coaches, managers, club staff and supporters - and everyone agreed football must only return when it is safe and appropriate to do so.

"No decisions were taken today with discussions set to continue in the next 48 hours with a focus on several high-profile matters, including player wages and the resumption of the 2019/20 season."

I think the key word in that initial statement after their discussions is "appropriate" & that's something resuming the season currently wouldn't be IMO given that a large amount of people can't see their own families/friends & you've people sick/dying in alarming numbers throughout the UK & Ireland as well as our neighbouring European countries.
 
Premier League and EFL agree season resumption only when 'safe and appropriate'



I think the key word in that initial statement after their discussions is "appropriate" & that's something resuming the season currently wouldn't be IMO given that a large amount of people can't see their own families/friends & you've people sick/dying in alarming numbers throughout the UK & Ireland as well as our neighbouring European countries.
I just saw Mark Cuban talking about isolating players and families to finish the NBA season. Talking about how they won't do anything that would put their players at risk, while getting into how it might actually be safer for their players and family. The NBA and PL are clearly talking about this, and what they deem "appropriate" might not be the same as what others might consider it.

Also it is odd to make the argument over "appropriate" entertainment right now. Tiger King is the #1 steaming program in the world right now. Pornhub is seeing record numbers. More people are using Steam then ever before. ESPN is spending 20 of the 24 hours breaking down the NFL draft, which is still going down. People are streaming everything form The Clone Wars to Bloodshot. Is the idea people are suppose to be sitting in solace right now? Because I don't think most are doing that, and whether there are lives sports or not, should we expect it. The last thing we want is people sitting around concentrating on the sadness. And if the idea is people shouldn't be doing that, then what is exactly wrong with sports continuing behind closed doors?

During WW2 in the US we continued playing baseball. People were dying in numbers that far exceed the the loss of life we are having at the moment. People still wanted to watch baseball. Why? Because any form of normalcy is a gift in this moment. The other option is stilling in solace, and that's not good. Not good at all.

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The fans will gather around the grounds just like they did with the Dortmund vs PSG game, trust me football fans are not the brightest bulbs in the draw most of the time, unless you are talking about shutting a town down to play the games which is just insane, right now buildings are ditching events in the UK and US and turning their space into treatment centers, the idea of shutting a city down so a bunch of needless games can be played in soulless empty arenas is just luidcrous IMO, I mean did you watch our last game before the suspension? That performance was decent but it was trash to watch, like watching a sunday league game where you can hear the coaches shouting, and it's even worse when you don't care about the teams playing. I just can't rap my head around why anyone outisde of Liverpool fans or the teams with promotion chances even care, as I don't think there'll be any European football next season anyway, so basically all these sterile games, risk of spreading the virus more and all in the name of promoting 9 teams and one of them winning a PL title, it's bonkers to me that it's even being talked about when I see 387 people died in my country alone in the last 24 hours and I saw a 9 year old girl being kept alive on a ventilator.

The only reason WWE is still going is that it's ran by Vince McMahon and he's the epitome of CREAM. It's like the PL, if there wasn't stacks of TV money involved in it and the Championship then it would already have been canned.
Why are you so fixated on whether there are people in the stadium? If the idea is about safety, I get that. I think that is misguided and ignores that everyone is suppose to be in quarantine right now anyways, but yeah. But you keep bringing up fans not being there. What bearing does that have on getting the season done? Yes I watched or last match, and I loved it. We played well and scored goals. I love atmosphere as well and while that is a big part of it to me, my main concern in the sport. Hell half the time I am watching matches, I listen to music anyways, so it isn't odd to me in the least.

AEW is also running, and that isn't run by Vince.

Also if the idea is football fans are dumb, then do you really think football is the only reason they'd be leaving their houses? We see idiots in my country still trying to roam the beaches. It's the same in the UK, Italy, and else where. Idiots being idiots, is not something you can control outside of law enforcement. So what exactly is the difference?
 
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Premier League and EFL agree season resumption only when 'safe and appropriate'



I think the key word in that initial statement after their discussions is "appropriate" & that's something resuming the season currently wouldn't be IMO given that a large amount of people can't see their own families/friends & you've people sick/dying in alarming numbers throughout the UK & Ireland as well as our neighbouring European countries.
Wouldn't the fact people can't see their friends and family be the reason to though? People potentially being idiots is another matter, but while the world's stopped, the world hasn't stopped. People are locked at home, tensions are high, and are looking for something that resembles normalcy. I've seen it in people around me on this particular subject. Safety is a more than legitimate reason to stop and think things through for all industries. But if they find that safety is something that can be provided, would it not be good to allow some sense that this isn't the end of everything, that there is a normal? There was a bit in a documentary I watched a while ago about after the tsunami in Japan, one of the signs things would be able to get back to normal and that it wasn't all over was Disneyland opening. I thought it was pretty comically self-important at the time, but honestly watching the world close, whether that be a theme park, a sporting match or something else... I'm feeling that now.
 
Why are you so fixated on whether there are people in the stadium? If the idea is about safety, I get that. I think that is misguided and ignores that everyone is suppose to be in quarantine right now anyways, but yeah. But you keep bringing up fans not being there. What bearing does that have on getting the season done? Yes I watched or last match, and I loved it. We played well and scored goals. I love atmosphere as well and while that is a big part of it to me, my main concern in the sport. Hell half the time I am watching matches, I listen to music anyways, so it isn't odd to me in the least.

AEW is also running, and that isn't run by Vince.

Also if the idea is football fans are dumb, then do you really think football is the only reason they'd be leaving their houses? We see idiots in my country still trying to roam the beaches. It's the same in the UK, Italy, and else where. Idiots being idiots, is not something you can control outside of law enforcement. So what exactly is the difference?

Because I thought the 2 behind closed doors games that I watched before the football stopped were garbage, it was so sterile, I'd rather wait to get football back properly when everything is all clear, I don't understand the fixation with finishing the season when we are in the middle of a pandemic, it's a waste of money and resources and it puts people in danger for no reason beyond money, we still don't know enough about this virus, when it started it was supposedly only a threat to old people and people with a poor immune system, yesterday a fit and healthy 13 year old boy died from it, they aren't even a 100% sure how it passes, the estimate tonight was that the UK will reach a death toll of 10,000 people within a week, and yet people want to start football up in 6 or 7 weeks time? It's crazy and serves zero purpose other than the clubs want money and some people seem to find it impossible to entertain themselves without football. The disease hasn't even peaked in the UK yet, they are predicting that if we keep the death toll at around 20,000 by the end of next month then we'll have done well, yet there's no talk about how to get kids back to school or how people can get their businesses up and running again, yet there's endless talk about how millionaires can make more millions, the lack of perspective is mind boggling to me, and it's not about Liverpool and their title, I could give a ****, crown them champions to stop them moaning, whatever, I don't see any European football any time soon so Sheffield United for instance wont be losing out on a huge opportunity for their club. I feel for Kit and his Leeds team, the only way around that is maybe a small play-off between the top 3 and bottom 3 of the 2 divisions before the 20/21 season starts, and to be honest I'm not sure we'll see football before the end of the year.

AEW are in an impossible position as they are the underdog to begin with and can't lose any ground as they risk the whole company going under, and since McPsycho is going ahead with his stuff they have no choice, but I heard Roman Reigns has refused to work this empty arena Mania nonsense, there'll be people in AEW that do the same eventually as this gets worse.

The difference is straggles of morons going here and there is one thing, it's a completely different thing when you have thousands of them all bunched together around a stadium, point being don't give a gunman more ammo needlessly.
 
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Because I thought the 2 behind closed doors games that I watched before the football stopped were garbage, it was so sterile, I'd rather wait to get football back properly when everything is all clear, I don't understand the fixation with finishing the season when we are in the middle of a pandemic, it's a waste of money and resources and it puts people in danger for no reason beyond money, we still don't know enough about this virus, when it started it was supposedly only a threat to old people and people with a poor immune system, yesterday a fit and healthy 13 year old boy died from it, they aren't even a 100% sure how it passes, the estimate tonight was that the UK will reach a death toll of 10,000 people within a week, and yet people want to start football up in 6 or 7 weeks time? It's crazy and serves zero purpose other than the clubs want money and some people seem to find it impossible to entertain themselves without football. The disease hasn't even peaked in the UK yet, they are predicting that if we keep the death toll at around 20,000 by the end of next month then we'll have done well, yet there's no talk about how to get kids back to school or how people can get the businesses up and running again, yet there's endless talk about how millionaires can make more millions, the lack of perspective is mind boggling to me, and it's not about Liverpool and their title, I could give a ****, crown them champions to stop them moaning, whatever, I don't see any European football any time soon so Sheffield United for instance wont be losing out on a huge opportunity for their club. I feel for Kit and his Leeds team, the only way around that is maybe a small play-off between the top 3 and bottom 3 of the 2 divisions before the 20/21 season starts, and to be honest I'm not sure we'll see football before the end of the year.
1. Whose money, whose resources?

2. You do realize that in the situations where they quarantine everyone for 14 days and they then train and play, that these players and staff would be in far better conditions then the vast majority of people right? Much safer as they will be in an environment that is for all intent and purpose, sterile.

3. It was never thought to be a threat to only older people or those with medical issues. Like with most virus, it does effect those people most. But it most certainly does not effect only them and no experts ever said it did. If you only read headlines, then yes, you might assume that. But that was never the actual case.

4. Football is in fact a business. More over, that people will be sitting inside trying to wait this out, that is a reason to provide sport. You mentioned earlier that you don't understand the concept of people becoming stir crazy. They can find things to do. But it is an actual thing, as is depression and other issues becoming very problematic while people are forced to stay in one place. It is one thing to say stay home and play games, watch movies, do this, do that, etc. It is another consider the actual interest of other people, their mental health, whether they even have the money to afford such things, etc.. Sports is a unifying venture, that has stopped wars, and comforted people at the worsts of times. It has value outside of the momentary gain for the those involved. If it didn't, it wouldn't exist in the first place.

5. You mention stuff like school and business. The fundamental difference is you can't sterilize those environments. That is why those situations have to wait out the virus.

are in an impossible position as they are the underdog to begin with and can't lose any ground as they risk the whole company going under, and since McPsycho is going ahead with his stuff they have no choice, but I heard Roman Reigns has refused to work this empty arena Mania nonsense, there'll be people in AEW that do the same eventually as this gets worse.
Both the WWE and AEW have told everyone that if they want to not work, they do not have to. Everyone coming in is choosing to. When Roman decided he didn't want to do Mania, he was allowed to go home and they replaced him. Up to that point, it was Roman's decision to show up.

The difference is straggles of morons going here and there is one thing, it's a completely different thing when you have thousands of them all bunched together around a stadium, point being don't give a gunman more ammo needlessly.
Why would the police allow them to gather?
 
1. Whose money, whose resources?

2. You do realize that in the situations where they quarantine everyone for 14 days and they then train and play, that these players and staff would be in far better conditions then the vast majority of people right? Much safer as they will be in an environment that is for all intent and purpose, sterile.

3. It was never thought to be a threat to only older people or those with medical issues. Like with most virus, it does effect those people most. But it most certainly does not effect only them and no experts ever said it did. If you only read headlines, then yes, you might assume that. But that was never the actual case.

4. Football is in fact a business. More over, that people will be sitting inside trying to wait this out, that is a reason to provide sport. You mentioned earlier that you don't understand the concept of people becoming stir crazy. They can find things to do. But it is an actual thing, as is depression and other issues becoming very problematic while people are forced to stay in one place. It is one thing to say stay home and play games, watch movies, do this, do that, etc. It is another consider the actual interest of other people, their mental health, whether they even have the money to afford such things, etc.. Sports is a unifying venture, that has stopped wars, and comforted people at the worsts of times. It has value outside of the momentary gain for the those involved. If it didn't, it wouldn't exist in the first place.

5. You mention stuff like school and business. The fundamental difference is you can't sterilize those environments. That is why those situations have to wait out the virus.


Both the WWE and AEW have told everyone that if they want to not work, they do not have to. Everyone coming in is choosing to. When Roman decided he didn't want to do Mania, he was allowed to go home and they replaced him. Up to that point, it was Roman's decision to show up.


Why would the police allow them to gather?

The money and resources will not solely come from the football league if that's what you are suggesting, you are talking about shutting down a section of a city to make all of this happen. That time and money could be directed towards extra testing centers and other needs. I understand how quarantine works mate, I just don't think all of this hassle expense and risk is logical for a bunch of ****ing meaningless football matches. Seriously, the hospitals are stretched to the limit and the staff are now dying, but hey lets make all of these side arrangements so some guys can kick a ball around for entertainment.

As for the bolded part, you don't need to tell me about depression, I'm on anti depressants and have been for 20 years, my Dad is now on them since my Mom went in a home and I have been looking after him, seeing him struggle with it, so I know what depression is and how it can effect people, and if the only way someone can cope with it is watching sterile football matches, then I'm sorry but they are in real trouble as anything you depend on for a crutch so severely is dangerous, do you think I am not missing some games to watch? They are a lot easier to follow and relax to for my Dad than TV shows, but we both realize there are much bigger things in the world right now and thus are adapting accordingly. As far as football being a business, well so are movies and they are shut down, Wimbeldon is canceled this year, the places that make money from the big conventions are all losing money, the automotive industry is losing billions, yet none of them are doing anything but abiding by the guidelines, the only industry desperately trying to get going amidst this is the football one and yes, it is purely down to money, if this virus had exploded in June instead of now do you think they'd be scrambling to start the next season? No, they'd be patiently waiting.

If you plow large amounts of money into sterlizing and oraganzing many businesses and schools you can control it, the money would be better spent there than on getting football matches played.

You and I both know what Vince is like, this is a guy that is currently monetizing the coronavirus with a new deal with Fox, anyone that chooses not to work will be on the list and ****ed over when things go back to normal, Roman might avoid this fate as he's the golden boy, like Cena choosing not to go to the Saudi shows, you know how that man works.


Putting a load of cops in danger to stop moron football fans gathering outside a stadium is ludicrous, they are already having to be deployed at shopping centers because people can't act intelligently and abide by the rules, wasting their time and their lives confronting hordes of guys too stupid to stay away is crazy, every aspect of doing this takes up time, money and bodies that could be used elsewhere, and you mention that the virus could always kill younger people, at first it wasn't, the point being is they don't really know enough about this thing and are working on understanding, what happens if they do the testing and the players are given the all clear but one of them gets infected once behind these football utopia walls as it's spreading in ways we don't yet know? Will that be a case of "Sorry, that's a 100 players and staff infected, but hey, all to entertain you eh folks?" Come on dude, the word being used constantly is "essential" when it comes to even leaving the house, there is nothing essential about football.
 
Cancelled but the league table stands. So does that mean whoever is top of the table now wins the league? Wonder if the same applies for promotion and relegation or there just won’t be any from this season.
 
Cancelled but the league table stands. So does that mean whoever is top of the table now wins the league? Wonder if the same applies for promotion and relegation or there just won’t be any from this season.
Article says Club Bruges wins the title, while they will decide promotion and relegation issues on by April 15. This is an interesting situation, as Belgium actually has a playoff to decide their champions usually.
 
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