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Bale's "twist" was way too predictable. Jackman's was just so random you couldn't even try to predict it. I was expecting more considering the great cast but it was still worth the watch.
 
Bale's "twist" was way too predictable. Jackman's was just so random you couldn't even try to predict it. I was expecting more considering the great cast but it was still worth the watch.
bales twist was not a twist.a twist is when you dont expect it. the whole movie you thought about bales trick. so of course you thought that maybe he has a double or a brother.
so this was never a twist. nolan wanted that you think about it. of course jackman was so obssesed with him that he couldnt belive it. cloning was also nto a twist since they already showed what the machine does with the hats and cats.

i guess the twist was that the twinst lived their whole life like that. their life was the twist IMO.
 
Saw it last night. Fascinating film. The acting is pretty fantastic. Probably Hugh Jackman's best performance. Bale never dissapoints. Michael Caine is perfectly cast. The twists were amazing.
 
Just got it on dvd and it is definitely a great rewatch. Things are a little more clearer the second time around.
 
Hey Red are there any good trailers on it :huh: I know that The Departed had a bunch of newer stuff on it.
 
Hey Red are there any good trailers on it :huh: I know that The Departed had a bunch of newer stuff on it.

All the trailers on The Prestige dvd are Rattatouile, The Queen, Deja Vu, A Blu Ray disc advertisement, Some Roger Corman advertisement, and Renaissance. The main menu also has this weird little feature on it. There is a fast spinning card on the side and at the bottom are 4 symbols and if you click on one of them it like shows the trick on the fast spinning card like a flipbook kind of.
 
What's the bonus stuff on DVD?

The Prestige comes in a standard Amaray case with a paper insert featuring a plot synopsis, a list of bonus materials and technical information about the disc. The set also comes with a cardboard slipcase that duplicates the cover art and content information.

The single-disc set comes with two bonus features, the first of which is a five-part featurette entitled "The Director's Notebook: The Cinematic Sleight Of Hand Of Christopher Nolan." Particularly in the absence of a commentary track, this featurette explores the construction of the story and the production of the film from a point of view that does enhance enjoyment of the movie. For example, the production designer talks about his original vision for the film's location, which he describes as Victorian-era Tokyo, and then highlights some of the visual cues and background details that he created to make the movie come to life.

Featuring interviews with all of the principle cast members as well as director Nolan, audiences get a well-rounded portrait of the filmmaking process, from defining the boundaries between "movie magic" and old school trickery to creating characters who are individuals and yet represent a certain philosophy or school of thought. The only (slight) problem with this is that it's fairly short - 20 minutes including credits - so the insights are not always deep; but overall this is one of the better behind-the-scenes features we've seen in a while.

Additionally, there is an "Art of The Prestige" gallery which features several montages of images, poster art and still from the film. Excepting rare cases, I could care less about galleries - particularly since they are static and duplicate shots from the film - but the depth of this collection is its chief selling point.

That's from IGN. It's a pretty bare bones DVD. I'm sure a special edition will come out eventually.
 
Bale proves he's the better actor here... but Michael Caine owns them all... I felt initially sympathetic towards Jackman's character but he turned out to be a total 'tard at the end of it all
 
*SPOILERS ABOUND*

This is going to be a long post, just bear with me. Hopefully no one has posted a similar thought, because this would be a waste. This is what I believe the "real" ending is to the movie.

I didn't really all 43 pages of this thread as I just saw this movie the other night. And let me tell you something, it was awesome, and the way I see it, depending on the person, there was 2 endings to that movie, it just depends on the way you see it. The thing that gives it away for me is one of the last lines in the movie after Jackman is dead, all the secrets revealed. The importance of this is that it is said AFTER everything has been revealed, or at least thats what you think. Caine says something to the effect of " Now you are looking for the secret, but you won't find it because you want to be fooled."

Basically the machine never worked, there were never any duplicates of Jackman, just Root as his double and he was the only person Jackman killed. And the theory that Bale had a clone made is moot because then he would know how Jackman is doing the trick instead of having to go and see for himself. Bale had an actual identical twin brother. At the end where it shows the water tanks, they are what YOU want to think they are, duplicates or the other dead clones of Jackman. Because you bought into it, you want to believe that actual magic has happened, but it hasn't. Its all sleight of hand, performed masterfully by Nolan. The cat and hats scene, that was staged, why would Telsa's assistant so willingly let his cat be put in that machine. What the audience doesn't know is that Jackman realizes this as well when he experiments with it. That whole scene or memory of Jackman shooting his clone was a lie, something to throw Bale off.

Plus, why would this supposed clone or real Jackman look so stunned when he fell in the water, he should have known one of two options were to happen, and this was his ultimate trick, why would he looked so desperate to ruin it by escaping? Because that was Root, thinking he would just fall in a bail of hay just like every other time, but instead he was used as a pawn to frame Bale. Notice he never speaks before the trick, just like when he was used in the earlier version of the Transported Man. And thats why Jackman says its his last show, because he wanted the final say, he wanted to win against Bale once and for all, and he knew Bale couldn't stay away, sooner or later he would come to the show and that is when Jackman asks the audience to inspect the machine and Bale is one of them chosen. And thats why Jackman switched the bail of hay for the water tank.


Thats why the stage hands are all blind, so they can't testify against Jackman. The whole thing about the blind stagehands taking out covered tanks, another ploy to fool Bale and the audience into what you think and want to believe is happening. This really was a great movie, and both endings are great, but once you figure out what it all REALLY means, its so much more satisfying. It adds totally new layers to the movie. Thats why its such a great movie. Because both endings could work depending on how you choose or want to view the movie. I don't think I have ever seen a movie quite like this one, its a true cinematic experience.

I ve seen people say the twists were that Bale had a twin brother, the Telsa machine creating duplicates, etc. To me, the real twist was that there was no magic at all, just the audience believing what they want to believe. At the end where the camera is panning around at the water tanks, and there are silhouettes in there but you can't clearly see what it is, its just a metaphor. Its what you want the secret to be, they want to be fooled. Caine is saying that exact line as the camera is panning around, but everyone kind of misses it because they are looking at the "secret" when there really is none. There was never any clones. Thats the real twist, the one that turns your mind against you in a way. And thats the best kind of twist of all. Complete and utter misdirection. This should be the movie of the year, or at least in the running for it. Some people don't get that ending though. They kind of just accept the ending. Because the movie gets more complex as it goes along and things aren't what they seem, most of the audience just kind of lets them believe what they see at the end. Its such a deep movie as is without the twist that I explained, that its hard to pick up. Not sure how to explain it. They didn't "watch closely" enough.
 
The Prestige comes in a standard Amaray case with a paper insert featuring a plot synopsis, a list of bonus materials and technical information about the disc. The set also comes with a cardboard slipcase that duplicates the cover art and content information.

The single-disc set comes with two bonus features, the first of which is a five-part featurette entitled "The Director's Notebook: The Cinematic Sleight Of Hand Of Christopher Nolan." Particularly in the absence of a commentary track, this featurette explores the construction of the story and the production of the film from a point of view that does enhance enjoyment of the movie. For example, the production designer talks about his original vision for the film's location, which he describes as Victorian-era Tokyo, and then highlights some of the visual cues and background details that he created to make the movie come to life.

Featuring interviews with all of the principle cast members as well as director Nolan, audiences get a well-rounded portrait of the filmmaking process, from defining the boundaries between "movie magic" and old school trickery to creating characters who are individuals and yet represent a certain philosophy or school of thought. The only (slight) problem with this is that it's fairly short - 20 minutes including credits - so the insights are not always deep; but overall this is one of the better behind-the-scenes features we've seen in a while.

Additionally, there is an "Art of The Prestige" gallery which features several montages of images, poster art and still from the film. Excepting rare cases, I could care less about galleries - particularly since they are static and duplicate shots from the film - but the depth of this collection is its chief selling point.

That's from IGN. It's a pretty bare bones DVD. I'm sure a special edition will come out eventually.

Thnx for info :)
 
Just finished watching it. Every bit as awesome as it was the first two times I saw it in theaters. Watching the special features tonight
 
Its such an amazing movie, there isn't any doubt in my mind that if i actually compiled a top 10, the prestige would be first.
 
*SPOILERS ABOUND*

This is going to be a long post, just bear with me. Hopefully no one has posted a similar thought, because this would be a waste. This is what I believe the "real" ending is to the movie.

I didn't really all 43 pages of this thread as I just saw this movie the other night. And let me tell you something, it was awesome, and the way I see it, depending on the person, there was 2 endings to that movie, it just depends on the way you see it. The thing that gives it away for me is one of the last lines in the movie after Jackman is dead, all the secrets revealed. The importance of this is that it is said AFTER everything has been revealed, or at least thats what you think. Caine says something to the effect of " Now you are looking for the secret, but you won't find it because you want to be fooled."

Basically the machine never worked, there were never any duplicates of Jackman, just Root as his double and he was the only person Jackman killed. And the theory that Bale had a clone made is moot because then he would know how Jackman is doing the trick instead of having to go and see for himself. Bale had an actual identical twin brother. At the end where it shows the water tanks, they are what YOU want to think they are, duplicates or the other dead clones of Jackman. Because you bought into it, you want to believe that actual magic has happened, but it hasn't. Its all sleight of hand, performed masterfully by Nolan. The cat and hats scene, that was staged, why would Telsa's assistant so willingly let his cat be put in that machine. What the audience doesn't know is that Jackman realizes this as well when he experiments with it. That whole scene or memory of Jackman shooting his clone was a lie, something to throw Bale off.

Plus, why would this supposed clone or real Jackman look so stunned when he fell in the water, he should have known one of two options were to happen, and this was his ultimate trick, why would he looked so desperate to ruin it by escaping? Because that was Root, thinking he would just fall in a bail of hay just like every other time, but instead he was used as a pawn to frame Bale. Notice he never speaks before the trick, just like when he was used in the earlier version of the Transported Man. And thats why Jackman says its his last show, because he wanted the final say, he wanted to win against Bale once and for all, and he knew Bale couldn't stay away, sooner or later he would come to the show and that is when Jackman asks the audience to inspect the machine and Bale is one of them chosen. And thats why Jackman switched the bail of hay for the water tank.


Thats why the stage hands are all blind, so they can't testify against Jackman. The whole thing about the blind stagehands taking out covered tanks, another ploy to fool Bale and the audience into what you think and want to believe is happening. This really was a great movie, and both endings are great, but once you figure out what it all REALLY means, its so much more satisfying. It adds totally new layers to the movie. Thats why its such a great movie. Because both endings could work depending on how you choose or want to view the movie. I don't think I have ever seen a movie quite like this one, its a true cinematic experience.

I ve seen people say the twists were that Bale had a twin brother, the Telsa machine creating duplicates, etc. To me, the real twist was that there was no magic at all, just the audience believing what they want to believe. At the end where the camera is panning around at the water tanks, and there are silhouettes in there but you can't clearly see what it is, its just a metaphor. Its what you want the secret to be, they want to be fooled. Caine is saying that exact line as the camera is panning around, but everyone kind of misses it because they are looking at the "secret" when there really is none. There was never any clones. Thats the real twist, the one that turns your mind against you in a way. And thats the best kind of twist of all. Complete and utter misdirection. This should be the movie of the year, or at least in the running for it. Some people don't get that ending though. They kind of just accept the ending. Because the movie gets more complex as it goes along and things aren't what they seem, most of the audience just kind of lets them believe what they see at the end. Its such a deep movie as is without the twist that I explained, that its hard to pick up. Not sure how to explain it. They didn't "watch closely" enough.

Um, okay, if thats how you imagine the film, knock yourself out. I dont see it at all, and your just wrong a couple times there, but whatever. Some people see Star Wars being a Christian Story, so it takes all kinds.
 
Um, okay, if thats how you imagine the film, knock yourself out. I dont see it at all, and your just wrong a couple times there, but whatever. Some people see Star Wars being a Christian Story, so it takes all kinds.

agreed.

trying a little too hard to read into it, and missing some major and obvious parts of the movie
 
agreed.

trying a little too hard to read into it, and missing some major and obvious parts of the movie

Care to explain?

Why else would Caine be going over that line again at the end AFTER all the supposed secrets and twists were revealed? "Once you know the secret, its not that impressive at all." So if the secret was that the machine made replications of human beings, thats pretty impressive if you ask me. But if it was using simply a double, that is way more in tune to that theme.

It just seems to me there is more to the movie. Because once the scene with all the hats and the two cats takes place, the rest of the movie, except for the Bale twist, is pretty predictable. You basically know how he does the trick. Thats why that last line caught my attention because up until then, I was thinking just like you were.

And after I thought about that, I realized that the last line that Angier says before he dies reveals everything as well.

"The audience knows the truth, the world is simple, miserable, solid all the way through, but if you can fool them, even for a second, then you can make them wonder...".

That last part with Cutter narrating, he is talking directly to the audience, that scene with camera panning around the tanks and showing the one clear visible Angier double, is for the audience alone. Its tough to explain it in words, basically he is showing you what you want to see while at the same time revealing it for what it is. The whole movie was a massive sleight of hand trick. Why show just the one clearly viewable "clone" of Angier, why not show more? That would eliminate all doubt.

Why would Nolan destroy the movie by having the machine actually be able to duplicate Angier. There is a certain sense of reality or belief that is established throughout the movie, and all other movies really, that contains its own set of rules. Like the Matrix, in that movie those events that happen are acceptable, Trinity bringing Neo back to life, etc because the filmmakers have made that world of the movie as a sci-fi type reality. It sets the rules for what is possible and what isn't. In The Prestige the reality is the opposite of a movie like the Matrix. Every twist should have a logical explanation, not a supernatural or sci-fi one. And they all do, if you see it the way I do, from Borden's identical twin brother to the machine not cloning Angier. If the machine does in fact work and makes duplicates, and Nolan intended to do it that way, then its a cop out of an ending. But I don't believe that.
 
jerry again explain me in a shorter version what is the point of the movie?
 
well, first they are duplicates because the movie is based on the book. in the book, there are duplicates (and the result is actually a little different). it even takes incredibly larger steps into fiction with it's turn of events in the story.

but you're missing big parts. you're suggesting that once Angier returns from Colorado Springs that he uses Root in his act (who hadn't been seen since being tied up by Borden)? Even if for some reason Angier found Root and trusted him (which he shouldn't) to do the performance again, it was obvious Root didn't sound the same, which is why he never spoke the first time. With Tesla's machine, when he and Cutter show it to the man to get their final 100 perfomances, it is clear that Angier speaks and interacts with the man both before and after teleporting. Would Root, a drunk, be able to do that and act exactly like Angier? Especially after blackmailing him, messing up his trick and career? Hardly.

Of course Borden has a twin, it was never suggested he was a duplicate, and is even explained it was his twin.

The machine actually works. You said Alley had no trouble putting his cat in there, when he obviously fought it. "Hey, that's my cat." "If you hurt that animal..." His reluctance to take it out of the cage. You completely missed all that. This all happened, it's not just Angier writing in down in a journal for Borden to read. There's scenes that occur after Borden realizes Angier wrote the end of his journal for Borden to read. Those scenes included using the machine and getting rid of the duplicates. At the end it is INCREDIBLY clear that the man floating in the tank closest to the camera is Angier's copy. They all are. Why would he go to the trouble of keeping them under the theatre and continuing with (what he thinks is the only) Borden being hanged? It's over. He's dead. No need to continue with the trick. Til the brother shoots him. The camera clearly shows it's an Angier duplicate. If you're suggesting it's Root, he's laying dead in the ground after Cutter verified the body. It's not Angier, he was just shot. And there were dozens of tanks down there.

What is this "in this world" stuff? This movie is fiction. Tesla is used often in fiction as having this incredible knowledge and power over energy and this is just another use. It's not just a "cop-out" ending... the whole movie is suggestive of the duplicates and the idea is introduced halfway in, not just at the end like "hey, oh yah and he magically makes duplicates." It would be a cop-out if they never showed Tesla or the workings of the machine in the movie at all. The idea is reflected in the whole story. Remember the beginning with the birds? One dies, a duplicate reappears from somewhere else. Sounds familiar, eh?

I suggest you watch it again, and if that doesn't make more sense of it, then I suggest reading the book.
 
Jerry, you're insane.

I haven't, and won't, read all your/others' posts, but a few things I caught real quick.

The machine works. Did you not see the twenty five or so top hats/cats in the woods? How about the fact that there are just as many tanks with dead bodies in them at the end? The reason the man Bale sees is so scared of dying is because he's 100 percent identical to the real one...meaning, as far as both clones know, they are the magician...of course he doesnt want to die. Whichever one lives, gets to live the life until the next night when he might die, but another takes his place. Yknow?

Also, the lines "repeated" at the end are the ones from the beginning.
I'd suggest watching it again, cuz you clearly missed something (and keep in mind, I'm not gonna waste my time reading more than I already have :o )
 
Just saw this. An insanely great film. And it looks like the ending is open to interpretation.
 
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