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Evaluation and judgment are the same thing.
Evaluation is a form of judgment; its purpose is to ascertain correct from incorrect (or right from wrong), without applying condemnation to the equation. Most people fail to realize this. They mistake "judgment" as being inherently equal to condemnation or a "holier-than-thou" complex...when in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. A person looking at 2 boxes, one red and the other green, is making an evaluation by determing the color of each one visually. The same basic principle holds true with regards to morality. God set the original standard, but over the centuries, mankind has tried to continually redefine it, instead of simply trusting in Him. The result is the twisted world we now live in.

Here is that doesn't make sense. If "God" is "perfect"then he created us flawed. Which would still not be a mistake because "God" is "perfect"therefore, "God" would know that we were to be flawed and imperfect. Thus it being human nature, "God" would not see it as right or wrong, just part of our being.
Humanity's imperfections were not created by God; they are the result of the first disobedience by Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden. When they sinned, it started a total chain-reaction, that corrupted everything in existence. From that moment forward, God set a plan into motion, to redeem humanity, and brings us back to Him. That plan was the sacrifice of Jesus. In olden times, people sacrificed animals as a sign of their sorrow for sin. Jesus was the final payment, which is why we no longer need an earthly blood sacrifice. His crucifixion was prophesied thousands of years before the Romans even invented it, and in the end, Christ bore the full consequences for every concievable sin on Himself, so we could be set free through faith and acceptance in Him.

By thinking the bible is the word of "God" that was written through men puts your faith not in "God" that those are "God's" words. But you are putting your faith in the men that wrote the bible. Who knows why they wrote the bible and where their facts came from. I know that is the point of religion is to have faith, but your faith would not be in "God" it would be in men that the bible is right.
Of the 13 disciples that Jesus had (Matthias replaced Judas after his suicide), all of them but John were horribly tortured and brutally murdered, because they refused to abandon their faith in Christ (John died in prison for adhering to Jesus' message). Why would they willingly go through such a horrendous fate, if they knew it was all a lie? The only other options were to believe that Jesus was either insane, or telling the truth. The fact that he proclaimed Himself as the Son of God proves He wasn't insane, because good religious leaders don't claim such a thing. therefore, the only remaining option is that Christ's words were total truth, whether people agreed with Him or not.

That's just it, it's an opinion. There is no right or wrong answer. Just a mutual agreement. If I say Michael Jordan I feel that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever. I am not right, or wrong. Another person could say Magic Johnson is the best basketball player ever. That person is not right or wrong either. It is simply out opinions.
Unfortunately, many people believe this sort of thing. For an example, let's compare this to buying a car. I like red (for the sake of this post), and you like blue. We could spend all day arguing about red cars vs. blue cars, and get nowhere, because its an opinion. But, if we were discussing the safety of a car (say, a 2007 Camry vs. a Pinto), the debate would have inherently more weight to it. We would be talking about which choice would save us from injury or destruction. Sadly, most people equate "true vs. false" to be the equivalent of "red vs. blue", rather than safety vs. destruction. I'ma a Christian not because of some thoughtless whim, but because Jesus promises eternal salvation (from sin, death, hell, and condemnation) to all who have faith in Him. that's quite a bargain, and the best part is, you don't have to spend you life, hoping you've earned it.

Same would go for Muslims, Hindus, Jehova's Witness (sp), Buddist and the same for all other religions. Their faith would make them right.
See the last few sentences above.

Then what about animals having homosexual relations? Or are they different because they are animals? The same rules do not apply? They are allowed to be homosexual and we are not? How does that make sense? Homosexuality is a natural thing. Why would "God" make this a natural thing, and yet make it a sin?
Animals mate through pure instinct, and are not created in God's image. We are fashioned by God's hand, and made to be a reflection of Him and His glory. By twisting his original design for sexual union (heterosexual intercourse in the confines of marriage), we ultimately fail in our greatest purpose, which is to be an example of His work to the world at large. Homosexuality may be "natural" in the sense that it can be physically achieved, but that doesn't make it right. Scripture even refers to it as an abombination more than once; that's pretty descriptive for something which a few would like to dismiss as "okay" or "beneficial".

Those were examples, there are hundreds of religious belief systems around the world. They are all wrong?
The various "religions" in this world came about, because the human race wanted to redefine God for itself, rather than trusting Him to begin with. Jesus came to set the record straight. Take Judaism for example. Some say that the Jews deliberately rewrote the Bible to say that Christ is the Messiah. Why would they do something like that, when they're still waiting for the Messiah to show up? The Pharisees described in the bible are just one example f folks trying to make God their own way, rather than accepting the truth. Jesus even called them on it, referring to them as "fools", "hypocrites", and "serpents". These guys were the zealots of their day, and Christ spoke blatantly against them!

What about the Romans? Myans? Native Americans? Greeks? Egyptians? What about the cultures that were around before the time of "God" and "Christ"? Are they condemend to a life in purgatory for not "****shiping" "God"?
First off, purgatory is something invented by the Catholic Church. Jesus said plainly that there were only two options, heaven and hell...and that we make the choice, by accepting or refusing the sacrifice and salvation He offers. God doesn't play favorites; he sees all people equally. So, with that in mind, everyone has the choice of whether or not to obey God. As for those before Christ's time, they still had a choice regarding God, and only He knows their hearts. We can only assume that their fate was determined by what He saw in their hearts.
 
As I've said before, asking or expecting a true christian to separate themselves from their faith is like asking someone to define a complex term without a dictionary. It just doesn't work. When someone accepts Christ completely, it'ss much more than religion...it's a personal, spiritual bond. Christ becomes part of them at the deepest level of their being. As a result, their views will be largely based on Him.
 
Evaluation is a form of judgment; its purpose is to ascertain correct from incorrect (or right from wrong), without applying condemnation to the equation. Most people fail to realize this. They mistake "judgment" as being inherently equal to condemnation or a "holier-than-thou" complex...when in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. A person looking at 2 boxes, one red and the other green, is making an evaluation by determing the color of each one visually. The same basic principle holds true with regards to morality. God set the original standard, but over the centuries, mankind has tried to continually redefine it, instead of simply trusting in Him. The result is the twisted world we now live in.

Humanity's imperfections were not created by God; they are the result of the first disobedience by Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden. When they sinned, it started a total chain-reaction, that corrupted everything in existence. From that moment forward, God set a plan into motion, to redeem humanity, and brings us back to Him. That plan was the sacrifice of Jesus. In olden times, people sacrificed animals as a sign of their sorrow for sin. Jesus was the final payment, which is why we no longer need an earthly blood sacrifice. His crucifixion was prophesied thousands of years before the Romans even invented it, and in the end, Christ bore the full consequences for every concievable sin on Himself, so we could be set free through faith and acceptance in Him.

Of the 13 disciples that Jesus had (Matthias replaced Judas after his suicide), all of them but John were horribly tortured and brutally murdered, because they refused to abandon their faith in Christ (John died in prison for adhering to Jesus' message). Why would they willingly go through such a horrendous fate, if they knew it was all a lie? The only other options were to believe that Jesus was either insane, or telling the truth. The fact that he proclaimed Himself as the Son of God proves He wasn't insane, because good religious leaders don't claim such a thing. therefore, the only remaining option is that Christ's words were total truth, whether people agreed with Him or not.

Unfortunately, many people believe this sort of thing. For an example, let's compare this to buying a car. I like red (for the sake of this post), and you like blue. We could spend all day arguing about red cars vs. blue cars, and get nowhere, because its an opinion. But, if we were discussing the safety of a car (say, a 2007 Camry vs. a Pinto), the debate would have inherently more weight to it. We would be talking about which choice would save us from injury or destruction. Sadly, most people equate "true vs. false" to be the equivalent of "red vs. blue", rather than safety vs. destruction. I'ma a Christian not because of some thoughtless whim, but because Jesus promises eternal salvation (from sin, death, hell, and condemnation) to all who have faith in Him. that's quite a bargain, and the best part is, you don't have to spend you life, hoping you've earned it.

See the last few sentences above.

Animals mate through pure instinct, and are not created in God's image. We are fashioned by God's hand, and made to be a reflection of Him and His glory. By twisting his original design for sexual union (heterosexual intercourse in the confines of marriage), we ultimately fail in our greatest purpose, which is to be an example of His work to the world at large. Homosexuality may be "natural" in the sense that it can be physically achieved, but that doesn't make it right. Scripture even refers to it as an abombination more than once; that's pretty descriptive for something which a few would like to dismiss as "okay" or "beneficial".

The various "religions" in this world came about, because the human race wanted to redefine God for itself, rather than trusting Him to begin with. Jesus came to set the record straight. Take Judaism for example. Some say that the Jews deliberately rewrote the Bible to say that Christ is the Messiah. Why would they do something like that, when they're still waiting for the Messiah to show up? The Pharisees described in the bible are just one example f folks trying to make God their own way, rather than accepting the truth. Jesus even called them on it, referring to them as "fools", "hypocrites", and "serpents". These guys were the zealots of their day, and Christ spoke blatantly against them!

First off, purgatory is something invented by the Catholic Church. Jesus said plainly that there were only two options, heaven and hell...and that we make the choice, by accepting or refusing the sacrifice and salvation He offers. God doesn't play favorites; he sees all people equally. So, with that in mind, everyone has the choice of whether or not to obey God. As for those before Christ's time, they still had a choice regarding God, and only He knows their hearts. We can only assume that their fate was determined by what He saw in their hearts.

Look, you are posting your beliefs, and that's fine. I am not trying to change that.

What I am asking for is your explanation of what I have asked you and stated not from the bible or what you believe in.

I am not posting things that I believe in, I am posting logical arguments.

Your analogy and comparison of the cars is a bad one to debate my postion that sexual tendancies and the way people view them as "right" or "wrong" is opinion. Not fact.

You're saying a 07 Camry vs. a pinto in terms of safety having one person pick one over the other would be based on an opion that is right or based on a fact is laughable.

Look if I ask a person what is better to have oxygen to breath or no oxygen to breath? Duh, everyone knows the answer because it is a fact that we need oxygen to breath and live.

Picking which car is safer is not an opinion, but a fact. The 07 Camry is safer than the Pinto.

Michael Jordan is better than Magic Johnson is an opinion and can not be proved.

Homosexuality or sex before marriage, right or wrong, is a matter of opinion. Not fact my friend.

I am not trying to change your belief system, I am not trying to argue your points about religion. Because I simply do not and will never agree with them.

I simply would like you, and people like yourself that are so devoute in their faith to see things from a different perspective and possibly, just possibly, other people's opinions, views, cultures, beliefs and religions may be right.

And as Kritish said, you're not providing facts. Just what is written in the bible, which should have proof and evidence other than belief. There is history older than the bible that has plenty of facts.

Why are there so little facts for the bible?

I have still yet to see you post an equation proving that "God" or a sentient being exists.
 
As I've said before, asking or expecting a true christian to separate themselves from their faith is like asking someone to define a complex term without a dictionary. It just doesn't work. When someone accepts Christ completely, it'ss much more than religion...it's a personal, spiritual bond. Christ becomes part of them at the deepest level of their being. As a result, their views will be largely based on Him.

This is great I don't even have to compare it to brainwashing when you're doing it for me.
 
As I've said before, asking or expecting a true christian to separate themselves from their faith is like asking someone to define a complex term without a dictionary. It just doesn't work. When someone accepts Christ completely, it'ss much more than religion...it's a personal, spiritual bond. Christ becomes part of them at the deepest level of their being. As a result, their views will be largely based on Him.


You know the other group of people that had a similar view of thinking....they believed in this guy pretty much the same way....
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I am not saying you're a Nazi nor am I comparing Hitler to Christ or "God' or anything like that. All I am saying is be careful what you follow so blindly.
 
Re-read my post that's directly above yours. If you don't understand it, read it again. Plain and simple, my views about subjects like these are grounded in my Christian faith. Asking me (or any other true believer) to completely separate myself from that is unfathomable.

I'm not following God blindly, either. I was out in the world, doing things by my own path...and it wrecked my life. i wound up in anj adulterous relationship with a married woman, 800 miles from anything familiar to me. I've lived through some pretty bad stuff. Given the choice between that or Christ, I pick the latter.
 
So then I guess it's impossible for you to be logical in this debate.
 
Jesus's message inherently defies logic. the human mind can only take you so far, and then you have to decide things with your spirit. Otherwise, your values will change every time your mind does. That's not a situation I'm prepared to experience.
 
FOR THE LOVE OF CTHULHU! Leave god, Jesus, and Budda out of this... and don't even bother bugging Mohammed, he's really crabby when you wake him up at this hour.

This argument doesn't need religion, it doesn't need Jesus-ing up. It needs good general morals and ethics that a country can agree upon and make law.
 
Jesus's message inherently defies logic. the human mind can only take you so far, and then you have to decide things with your spirit. Otherwise, your values will change every time your mind does. That's not a situation I'm prepared to experience.

Have fun with what's "safe".
 
FOR THE LOVE OF CTHULHU! Leave god, Jesus, and Budda out of this... and don't even bother bugging Mohammed, he's really crabby when you wake him up at this hour.

This argument doesn't need religion, it doesn't need Jesus-ing up. It needs good general morals and ethics that a country can agree upon and make law.

It's not the government's job to enforce morality. It's the government's job to do what's best and logical for its people.
 
It's not the government's job to enforce morality. It's the government's job to do what's best and logical for its people.
You mean like what communications can and can't be used as testimony? How how buisnesses must behave? Or how accessible businesses must be to those with handicaps? Or maybe you're refering to who a company should hire? Are you refering to who colleges have to admit?
 
Condoms, pills, and hangers should be passed out at every high school.
 
Well if you think that is a shock, get out the defibulator (sp). There is at least one documented case of a girl getting pregnant at five years old. Yes, 5.
Woah, right, I remember having read about that wasn't that somewhere in South America and the girl was part of a tribal culture and it raised a **** storm, cause sex with children was perfectly normal for them?
 
FOR THE LOVE OF CTHULHU! Leave god, Jesus, and Budda out of this... and don't even bother bugging Mohammed, he's really crabby when you wake him up at this hour.

This argument doesn't need religion, it doesn't need Jesus-ing up. It needs good general morals and ethics that a country can agree upon and make law.

So you want to make a law that kids shouldn't have sex? Wow and I thought your prisons were already choke full. Now you wanna throw the book at kids too?:huh:
 
As I've said before, asking or expecting a true christian to separate themselves from their faith is like asking someone to define a complex term without a dictionary. It just doesn't work. When someone accepts Christ completely, it'ss much more than religion...it's a personal, spiritual bond. Christ becomes part of them at the deepest level of their being. As a result, their views will be largely based on Him.

And that's exactly why no one will listen to you around here cause you're too deep in religious lala-land for a worthwhile discussion.
 
Re-read my post that's directly above yours. If you don't understand it, read it again. Plain and simple, my views about subjects like these are grounded in my Christian faith. Asking me (or any other true believer) to completely separate myself from that is unfathomable.

I'm not following God blindly, either. I was out in the world, doing things by my own path...and it wrecked my life. i wound up in anj adulterous relationship with a married woman, 800 miles from anything familiar to me. I've lived through some pretty bad stuff. Given the choice between that or Christ, I pick the latter.
And yet so many people manage just fine without god and religion yet don't end up ruining their lifes. What might be their secret... hmmm having common sense perhaps, evaluating a situation through logic and reason or the strenght to pull through hardship without having to call the great pixie in the sky?

Man, why do all the great enlightenment thinkers have to be dead? I would love to see how they tear Moviefan apart, argumentatively speaking.
 
I don't give a crap what a kid will do, and that immaturity is what motivated me to say that sex at that age is inconceivable. It's not a good idea because they aren't mature enough to handle the consequences, which are still a possiblity even with protection. They aren't mature enough to make the decision for the right reasons. And just because a child is immature, is no reason to hold a parents basic right to information about their child a secret.


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Evaluation is a form of judgment; its purpose is to ascertain correct from incorrect (or right from wrong), without applying condemnation to the equation. Most people fail to realize this. They mistake "judgment" as being inherently equal to condemnation or a "holier-than-thou" complex...when in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. A person looking at 2 boxes, one red and the other green, is making an evaluation by determing the color of each one visually. The same basic principle holds true with regards to morality. God set the original standard, but over the centuries, mankind has tried to continually redefine it, instead of simply trusting in Him. The result is the twisted world we now live in.

LOL.
"the twisted world we now live in"? when in the past it was the Lord's law that punishment for rapists was to marry their victims?
when you had to slaughter animals and burn them to make an odor that "pleased" the lord?
:o you are nutty.
regardless of the laws God set, God also set time bombs between Teenager's crotches, GOD did that.
he MADE them horny see? he "defined" them as such. wonder why he then is so adamant about no sex until marriage, maybe he likes to see them suffer in the throes of sexual frustration.
maybe that is "pleasing unto him"

Humanity's imperfections were not created by God; they are the result of the first disobedience by Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden. When they sinned, it started a total chain-reaction, that corrupted everything in existence.

for the last time.
God is all seeing and all knowing.
God KNEW what his creation would do, so much so, he provided the reason for "sin" he created the tree of life and then asked his creation to not partake of it ( when it would've been simple to not create it) he also not only created the serpent, but made it "clever" ( and apparently able to talk as well) and watched as the serpent swayed his beloved creation into disobedience, why would he do this?
I don't know.


From that moment forward, God set a plan into motion, to redeem humanity, and brings us back to Him.

all he really needed to do is forgive.
I believe that's all, no grand scheme needed.

That plan was the sacrifice of Jesus.

the hell?:huh:

In olden times, people sacrificed animals as a sign of their sorrow for sin.

if I remember correctly God ASKED for offerings.


Jesus was the final payment, which is why we no longer need an earthly blood sacrifice. His crucifixion was prophesied thousands of years before the Romans even invented it, and in the end, Christ bore the full consequences for every concievable sin on Himself, so we could be set free through faith and acceptance in Him.

huzza what now? I really don't understand how you can take the full irrational bulk of this and still believe it.
Jesus died for your sins? you hadn't been born! and YES we ALL "sin" because that's how we were made! in order to forgive us, all go had to do was FORGIVE US!!!! why is that not sinking into your skull.
it's utter insanity.

"hey Carlos, sorry about scratching your favorite CD :csad:"
"oh, don't worry, I'll forgive you but first you have to ......KILL THIS KITTEN!!!!!!11!!!!11!!!1!!!!1!"
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Of the 13 disciples that Jesus had (Matthias replaced Judas after his suicide), all of them but John were horribly tortured and brutally murdered, because they refused to abandon their faith in Christ (John died in prison for adhering to Jesus' message). Why would they willingly go through such a horrendous fate, if they knew it was all a lie?

wow! just wow!
In 1997 a man named Marchall Applewhite convinced 38 ( woah, that's more than 13) to commit suicide in order to leave the earthly plain and ascend to the next level on a comet.
Why would they willingly go through such a horrendous fate, if they knew it was all a lie?

in 1978 Jim Jones convinced his followers to kill two men at an airport and then commit suicide.
all in all 913 people ( woah, 913 at the same time, this guy must have been BETTER than Jesus!!!!) followed his orders.
Why would they willingly go through such a horrendous fate, if they knew it was all a lie?



The only other options were to believe that Jesus was either insane, or telling the truth. The fact that he proclaimed Himself as the Son of God proves He wasn't insane, because good religious leaders don't claim such a thing. therefore, the only remaining option is that Christ's words were total truth, whether people agreed with Him or not.

David Koresh claimed that he was chosen to father a child that would lead the new generation as the new Messiah.
later he changed his story to reflect the fact that he HIMSELF was the messiah.
he set up camp with some followers and also said that he was entitled to 140 wives.
The fact that he did these things prove he wasn't insane, because good religious leaders don't do such things.



Unfortunately, many people believe this sort of thing. For an example, let's compare this to buying a car. I like red (for the sake of this post), and you like blue. We could spend all day arguing about red cars vs. blue cars, and get nowhere, because its an opinion. But, if we were discussing the safety of a car (say, a 2007 Camry vs. a Pinto), the debate would have inherently more weight to it. We would be talking about which choice would save us from injury or destruction. Sadly, most people equate "true vs. false" to be the equivalent of "red vs. blue", rather than safety vs. destruction. I'ma a Christian not because of some thoughtless whim, but because Jesus promises eternal salvation (from sin, death, hell, and condemnation) to all who have faith in Him. that's quite a bargain, and the best part is, you don't have to spend you life, hoping you've earned it.

but you just said something about your faith, something rather long winded without actually attacking any of the points he made.
you implied that people have "apprehension" about sex, and this implies a knowledge of right and wrong.
but you failed to take into account that not all people have these "apprehensions" and that a lot of the people who do have had these concerns burned into their skull by their parents and/or environment.
sex, regardless of what you think, is not wrong.
went badly for you? sorry can't be helped, some people have trouble in their jobs doesn't mean working is sinful.
and just to make it clear to you.
I respect a lot Christians, I really do, I have a lot of friends who are catholic/ Christian or whatever, we argue sometimes but I respect why some of them are adherent to that faith.
you are a Christian because you are weak.
simple, stop glorifying your weakness.



Animals mate through pure instinct, and are not created in God's image.
We are fashioned by God's hand, and made to be a reflection of Him and His glory.

the animal kingdom doesn't "reflect god's glory"?

By twisting his original design for sexual union (heterosexual intercourse in the confines of marriage), we ultimately fail in our greatest purpose, which is to be an example of His work to the world at large.

ok, you just went from incoherent to insane.
see, a lot of people ( not all) are BORN Homosexuals, which would mean that GOD intended them to be such.
how exactly does two guys/girls having sex make a bad example of God's work to the world at large. I need to know how, because I know these two lesbians that love each other and are the true definition of a couple.
these women have been together through everything and have found strength in each other.
you are saying that this is not a right way to live as a couple?


Homosexuality may be "natural" in the sense that it can be physically achieved, but that doesn't make it right. Scripture even refers to it as an abombination more than once; that's pretty descriptive for something which a few would like to dismiss as "okay" or "beneficial".

scripture refers to a lot of nonsensical things that some have written off as hyperbole.
but anyway, tell me why YOU think it's wrong, why you think it's harmful.
sure, I know, the bible says it is, however, it must have a reason for doing so, a logical reason. therefore I want you to tell me what this reason is.


The various "religions" in this world came about, because the human race wanted to redefine God for itself

really?
how are the far eastern religions which require much more discipline than Christianity a redefinition of god for man?
how were the pagan religions which require stricter adherence to procedure and observation of religious holidays a redefinition?
why is it, that Christianity takes key elements from these religions but only until it comes in contact with them ( not before if it was a "set the record straight" thing) in fact, Christianity is a mish mash of pagan beliefs set into a monotheistic structure.
in some pagan religions Nature is to be revered and respected.
in Christianity nature is to be subjugated.
in some pagan religions and some Far Eastern religions the world is to be kept in balance and cared for.
in Christianity the world is meant to be used, the world is man's toy.
in some pagan and far eastern religions, after death there is only nothingness.
in Christianity there is some great reward or punishment.
you tell me which faith is redefined to sever man.

First off, purgatory is something invented by the Catholic Church. Jesus said plainly that there were only two options, heaven and hell...and that we make the choice, by accepting or refusing the sacrifice and salvation He offers.

and in the end.
the truth.
this isn't a god of love you speak about is it?
a good father is not so because he asks his daughter to love and respect him or else he will rape and beat her.
this in the end is what's wrong with your specific religious beliefs.
they are based on fear.
 
This argument doesn't need religion, it doesn't need Jesus-ing up. It needs good general morals and ethics that a country can agree upon and make law.

when I was in junior high there were some girls that had been left back a year and thus they were 15 at the end of junior high when I was 12.
now, if given the choice, would I have ****ed the hell out of some of those girls ( some were ugly) ?

yes.
is that immoral?
no, it's impractical, and I would've had a hard time understanding the problems I would face as a father at 12 years of age.
however, this belief that birth control availability is some sort of Pandora's box?
dumb.
many a girl in my Junior High had what we like to call an "upbringing" which they happened to respect, regardless if the guy had access to condoms or not they wouldn't just magically have sex with the guy.
I mean, seriously, you're all acting like this is some new thing, people have had sex in junior high since like ever.
stop acting like you went through some feel-good Mayberry experience, I mean, seriously.
I went in the 80's and it was messed up, I can't even imagine what it was like in the 70's.
 

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