Maine middle school to offer birth control

[Dorian Gray]

Just got to love all the hitler references

Everytime someone speaks in a religious(Christian) manner a Hitler picture is posted. I just browsed through some posts and I'm not a religious man but how on earth can someone on and internet message board be compared to Hitler?

 

[SentinelMind]

^exactly.....the main argument here is that government is suppose to serve the public, not the other way around. There is no rational reason to allow kids to be coerced into taking certain birth control and health-related products and encouraged to act on their wreckless instincts, and then hide the information from parents.

Where's the religion in that? It's common sense. Kids are STUPID. They are not responsible enough to make those decisions without parent's consultation.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Just got to love all the hitler references

Everytime someone speaks in a religious(Christian) manner a Hitler picture is posted. I just browsed through some posts and I'm not a religious man but how on earth can someone on and internet message board be compared to Hitler?

You know the other group of people that had a similar view of thinking....they believed in this guy pretty much the same way....

I am not saying you're a Nazi nor am I comparing Hitler to Christ or "God' or anything like that. All I am saying is be careful what you follow so blindly.

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[Mr Sparkle]

It's common sense. Kids are STUPID. They are not responsible enough to make those decisions without parent's consultation.

well, then, doesn't common sense dictate that if you have done a good job as a parent you really don't need to worry about your child's school giving out birth control?

Like when they started giving out condoms and everyone was all shocked and stuff.
when I was 11 I knew where I could get free condoms.

my parent's dresser drawer.

 

[Dorian Gray]

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I read that already and still the picture was posted in away comparing him to Hitler regardless of what BAH HUMBBUG! said below it.

...if he wasn't calling him a Nazi then why was it necessary to post a pitcure of Hitler? Don't say it was to prove some kind of point because there was no intention of proving any thing like that.

He could have just said "be careful what you follow so blindly." accompanied by an explanation rather than throwing out a Hitler reference and so on.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I read that already and still the picture was posted in away comparing him to Hitler regardless of what BAH HUMBBUG! said below it.

...if he wasn't calling him a Nazi then why was it necessary to post a pitcure of Hitler? Don't say it was to prove some kind of point because there was no intention of proving any thing like that.

He could have just said "be careful what you follow so blindly." accompanied by an explanation rather than throwing out a Hitler reference and so on.

It's because the liberal argument is so extremely shrill and aggressive that they lose all logic. When you can't see how unnecessary inserting Hitler into this debate was, you cannot be reasoned with. There is no logical defense for that Hitler move.

 

[teseract]

It's because the liberal argument is so extremely shrill and aggressive that they lose all logic. When you can't see how unnecessary inserting Hitler into this debate was, you cannot be reasoned with. There is no logical defense for that Hitler move.

BWAHAHAHA you talking about logic! That's like the Pope doing Abortions in Rome all by himself... absurd!

 

[SuperMonkey]

Just got to love all the hitler references

Everytime someone speaks in a religious(Christian) manner a Hitler picture is posted. I just browsed through some posts and I'm not a religious man but how on earth can someone on and internet message board be compared to Hitler?

I don't understand it either. Next time, there will be graphic pictures of what Hitler really did.

 

[Superhobo]

It's because the liberal argument is so extremely shrill and aggressive that they lose all logic. When you can't see how unnecessary inserting Hitler into this debate was, you cannot be reasoned with. There is no logical defense for that Hitler move.

Oh come on now. Yes, there must be no reason at all for the Hitler pictures. That's why there are so many. It couldn't be that they were trying to make a point, or anything.

Why do you always assume that anyone who has an opposing opinion to yourself is a liberal? I'm not liberal. Besides, you wanna talk about unnecessary, what about this?

I don't understand it either. Next time, there will be graphic pictures of what Hitler really did.

Get a room, funboys.

 

[SuperMonkey]

I'm sure glad I'm not supermonkey

 

[SuperMonkey]

So you're saying *chuckles* t: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

You're actually saying that that trophy killed millions of people. *bursts into laughter* t:

 

[Superhobo]

So you're saying *chuckles* t: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

You're actually saying that that trophy killed millions of people. *bursts into laughter* t:

Did you feel that?

No?

It was the point of my post going right past your head.

 

[SuperMonkey]

I got the point. My point was, how the hell can you compare a picture of a trophy to a picture of one of the most evil men in history.

 

[Superhobo]

I got the point. My point was, how the hell can you compare a picture of a trophy to a picture of one of the most evil men in history.

I'm guessin' you're also one of those guys who asks, "If we came from monkeys, why're there still monkeys?"

You still seemed to have missed the point. Completely.

 

[SuperMonkey]

I'm guessin' you're also one of those guys who asks, "If we came from monkeys, why're there still monkeys?"

You still seemed to have missed the point. Completely.

No. I actually have a Bachelor's in Physical Biology and I'm taking classes right now to get a degree in Eurasian Language Studies.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Just got to love all the hitler references

Everytime someone speaks in a religious(Christian) manner a Hitler picture is posted. I just browsed through some posts and I'm not a religious man but how on earth can someone on and internet message board be compared to Hitler?

Well maybe if you did more than browse through my posts as well as movieman2k, you would knwo why I posted the pic.

And I did not compare him to Hitler, I specifically said I wasn't calling him Hitler. Read the posts before you comment on them.

 

[Carcharodon]

No. I actually have a Bachelor's in Physical Biology and I'm taking classes right now to get a degree in Eurasian Language Studies.

Do you like comics?

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

^exactly.....the main argument here is that government is suppose to serve the public, not the other way around. There is no rational reason to allow kids to be coerced into taking certain birth control and health-related products and encouraged to act on their wreckless instincts, and then hide the information from parents.

Where's the religion in that? It's common sense. Kids are STUPID. They are not responsible enough to make those decisions without parent's consultation.

People are stupid.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I read that already and still the picture was posted in away comparing him to Hitler regardless of what BAH HUMBBUG! said below it.

...if he wasn't calling him a Nazi then why was it necessary to post a pitcure of Hitler? Don't say it was to prove some kind of point because there was no intention of proving any thing like that.

He could have just said "be careful what you follow so blindly." accompanied by an explanation rather than throwing out a Hitler reference and so on.

1. Because the image of Hitler has a much more profound impact than just about any other picture in History.

2. He is not David Corehse (sp) or James, or any of the other people that manage to influence dozens or hundreds of people to kill themselves and follow their word as if they were "God". He managed to influence millions of people into believing in him and his way.

People followed Hitler blindly without question.

He (Movieman2k) said himself that he can not seperate his Christian beliefs from anything. He trusts in "God" without question and that is his belief. Fine, but he is following "God" the bible and religion blindly the same way that people followed and believed in Hitler.

As Kritish said, Movieman makes it sound like brainwashing. Much the same way Hiterl's influence was so powerful.

I never said "God" or "Christ" are Hitler. Don't put words into my mouth.

 

[sinewave]

man, i can't believe how many posts there've been since i checked in yesterday.

^exactly.....the main argument here is that government is suppose to serve the public, not the other way around. There is no rational reason to allow kids to be coerced into taking certain birth control and health-related products and encouraged to act on their wreckless instincts, and then hide the information from parents.

Where's the religion in that? It's common sense. Kids are STUPID. They are not responsible enough to make those decisions without parent's consultation.

i can understand your outrage about all this. i've got an 11 year old niece and a 13 nephew, and if i found out they were sexually active or involved in a pregnancy, i'd be freaked the **** out. but i don't agree with your points. you seem to be convinced that the school is actually forcing this on these kids, which doesn't seem realistic to me. i also disagree with your statement that the school is encouraging these kids to "act on their reckless instincts" or even "hide the information from parents". if these kids in this particular school district are already sexually active and this has been a problem for the last few years, then obviously the parents aren't having much effect on their kids. so, taking that into consideration, you've got kids with raging hormones having sex at a young age, despite whatever sex education or parental advice they've received. so why not give them the option, not "coerce" or force on them, of using contraceptives to at least attempt to minimize the damage from something they're already doing and probably will continue to do. look at it this way, if you had a kid this age and even after having "the talk" with them and maybe even sex ed, they start having sex and you find out about it. what would you prefer, that they had unprotected sex or used some sort of contraceptive? and before you go on and on about not wanting the school to provide this stuff to the kids without contacting their parents first, what do you think would happen to this program if the school did inform the parents that their kid came to them for condoms or the pill and word got around to the kids that the school was ratting them out? they'd stop coming to them for condoms or the pill and would maybe start having unsafe sex. it's not going to work if the kids think they'll get in trouble, because most likely, they'll still find a way to have sex whether their parents find out or not, or whether they have contraceptives available to them or not. i don't see this as a longterm solution, though, but more a stopgap until they can figure out a way to really educate these kids and their parents, because obviously these kids aren't using common sense, but then what 11-13 year old does?

 

[Memphis Slim]

I got the point. My point was, how the hell can you compare a picture of a trophy to a picture of one of the most evil men in history.

It doesn't matter to him. He just wants to be clever. The sad part is that he doesn't realize that he's failed at cleverness.

He just wants to win an argument.

 

[Zoken]

wow, I see the level or rhetoric in here is as high as ever.

 

[SentinelMind]

man, i can't believe how many posts there've been since i checked in yesterday.

i can understand your outrage about all this. i've got an 11 year old niece and a 13 nephew, and if i found out they were sexually active or involved in a pregnancy, i'd be freaked the **** out. but i don't agree with your points. you seem to be convinced that the school is actually forcing this on these kids, which doesn't seem realistic to me. i also disagree with your statement that the school is encouraging these kids to "act on their reckless instincts" or even "hide the information from parents". if these kids in this particular school district are already sexually active and this has been a problem for the last few years, then obviously the parents aren't having much effect on their kids. so, taking that into consideration, you've got kids with raging hormones having sex at a young age, despite whatever sex education or parental advice they've received. so why not give them the option, not "coerce" or force on them, of using contraceptives to at least attempt to minimize the damage from something they're already doing and probably will continue to do. look at it this way, if you had a kid this age and even after having "the talk" with them and maybe even sex ed, they start having sex and you find out about it. what would you prefer, that they had unprotected sex or used some sort of contraceptive? and before you go on and on about not wanting the school to provide this stuff to the kids without contacting their parents first, what do you think would happen to this program if the school did inform the parents that their kid came to them for condoms or the pill and word got around to the kids that the school was ratting them out? they'd stop coming to them for condoms or the pill and would maybe start having unsafe sex. it's not going to work if the kids think they'll get in trouble, because most likely, they'll still find a way to have sex whether their parents find out or not, or whether they have contraceptives available to them or not. i don't see this as a longterm solution, though, but more a stopgap until they can figure out a way to really educate these kids and their parents, because obviously these kids aren't using common sense, but then what 11-13 year old does?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I would like to make following points.

1) I really do think the school will inevitably coerce a student into taking these products. Since it will benefit a provider at tax payers expense, it will be in someone's interest to push the products (whether the bureacrat or the product provider) as fast as possible at tax payer's expense. I know that's sad and sick, but that is reality. Secondly, if a public official approaches a kid who admits they are thinking about having sex, and takes no action, they are implicity endorsing what they are doing. I'm not suggesting they should be condemning the student, I'd rather they just stay out of the business altogether. Since the official is "desparate" to have a trusting relationship with the kid and not overstep their boundaries, the official is not going to make any real effort to discourage the child from having sex, they'll be more inclined to simply give them the products. This is how bureacracies work. ITs a standardized procedure indifferent to the kids involved. A new employee faced with a horny kid who doesn't want to get sued in a confrontation is going to quietly give the kid the product. It's in the official's interest when approached with the situation.

2) How would a school identify a problem student who didn't initiate approaching the school? If the school recognizes that a student is having sex without the student even admitting it, the kid has a HUGE problem already. I don't see how giving this problem student these products would help the situation. This would lead to school entanglement in the student's sex life. It would be better that the school sent home an informed notice to the parent of that student telling them that if they condone the student's lifestyle, they should recommend those products. It keeps the school out of it while being an informant. If the school could observe the behavior anyway, then the school has nothing to lose telling the parents. I'd rather they do that than approach the problem kid and just give him birth control products.

3) Now, what about if a student is considering requesting the product from the school? How would the student know to ask the school? The school would have to publicly and aggressively advertise the products to the impressionable students. Even to the kids who had no idea what was going on and never consider having sex. It would be a public acknowledgement tolerance of middle school kids having sex. That's not a position I want my government to take.



But what happens if the child brings the product home, and the parent's find it?


3)

 

[Superhobo]

It doesn't matter to him. He just wants to be clever. The sad part is that he doesn't realize that he's failed at cleverness.

He just wants to win an argument.

Yes, I'm the one who's failed.

It wasn't an attempt to be clever, at all. If you go back and read moviefans posts, as B.H.! has said, and I mean actually read them, you'll get why I posted the Hitler picture. I mean, Jesus, it doesn't take a goddamn PH.D to get it.

 

[Superhobo]

It doesn't matter to him. He just wants to be clever. The sad part is that he doesn't realize that he's failed at cleverness.

He just wants to win an argument.

And you still have yet to answer my question, 'super science.' Why is it that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically labeled as a liberal?