The Reagan Thread

[DACrowe]

And I think that is what will win him re-election. There aren't any real contenders for Obama unless Pawlenty really starts to get his name out there.

Mitch Daniels would be a great pick. But, like Pawlenty, he is too serious and mature for what the GOP base is currently clamoring for. The GOP is going with either someone who is far right or someone who can breathe enough fire to satisfy the far right. Only if they lose in 2012 will there be a more conscious effort to seek a candidate who can lead all of America and just not 1/3 of her.

 

[DACrowe]

As for Reagan, as it is/was his 100th, I'll just say this:

I think the myth of Ronald Reagan is far greater than the man. I think he was an O.K. president who did some good things and some very bad things. Worse he left a legacy that has financially crippled this nation by leaving us as a debtor--"Deficits don't matter"--beholden to the military-industrial complex, and shifted the wealth in this country away from the middle class to the top 2 percent where, under the fear of "socialism/communism," it has remained for 30 years. Not to mention he introduced social conservatism and government is always the enemy logic into mainstream politics....

However, his PR capabilities and his ability to inspire the US to mobilize during a recession, as well as his handling of the Soviet Union was quite inspired. Though Afghanistan had more to do with the end of the Cold War IMO than the arms race, there is no doubt that he accelerated the process. But then there was the highly illegal Iran-Contra Affair that likely would have led to impeachment for a more entrenched president.

There is no doubt he was a hugely consequential and influential president. However, more often than not (to steal a phrase from him) I find his influence is not always the answer. In fact, most times I find his legacy to be the problem in our modern political landscape.

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Anyway, I'll close on this:



I think it is a surprisingly accurate depiction of the president. And also, it is very much hilarious.

 

[Paradoxium]

Overrated, financially crippling legacy... reminds me of someone t:

 

[dnno1]

And I think that is what will win him re-election. There aren't any real contenders for Obama unless Pawlenty really starts to get his name out there.

It's going to be none of the above for the Republicans. John Ellis Bush will be a last minute entry to face Obama and it will be close race in the polls until the election.

 

[Kelly]

Mitch Daniels would be a great pick. But, like Pawlenty, he is too serious and mature for what the GOP base is currently clamoring for. The GOP is going with either someone who is far right or someone who can breathe enough fire to satisfy the far right. Only if they lose in 2012 will there be a more conscious effort to seek a candidate who can lead all of America and just not 1/3 of her.

Mitch Daniels would be the best pick with Thumes as his running mate, but it won't happen.....

 

[Matt]

Mitch Daniels would be a great pick. But, like Pawlenty, he is too serious and mature for what the GOP base is currently clamoring for. The GOP is going with either someone who is far right or someone who can breathe enough fire to satisfy the far right. Only if they lose in 2012 will there be a more conscious effort to seek a candidate who can lead all of America and just not 1/3 of her.

Mitch Daniels would not be a great pick. He'd be a great pick in the sense that Bob Dole was. He would make a great president, but he is boring as ****. He has no charisma at all. Even if he out-debates Obama on every point, people will still see him as the loser because of his lack of charisma. He's not someone who can get people excited. His name should be in the discussion however, for a VP candidate.

 

[Kelly]

Hmmmm....he would be a great President, but he wouldn't be a great pick? I'm assuming you mean....he would not be a great pick as a candidate because he lacks charisma...which I understand. BUT, we just elected a President on "charisma" alone and a really good slogan....

I think we have a completely different voter today. They are reading, watching, listening....and even though we may disagree with many of them on ideology...they know what they want today, far more than they ever have in history...

McCain had a HORRIBLE CAMPAIGN, HAS THE CHARISMA OF A ROCK, AND he came very close....closer than I ever thought he would with the campaign that he had...worst I've seen in a long time....

It's a different voter climate out there today...the key is Independents, and Independents look at the issues, not whether or not when the candidate smiles there's a little sparkle...they did that before and got screwed...

Unless there are some drastic changes as far as jobs, jobs, jobs and the deficit....if there are more spending packages in the future......Independents will flock to the other candidate if he has viable, intelligent ideas about those issues.

 

[Handsome Rob]

And, so that leftists all across the Hype can remind us that polls are rigged and mean nothing (until they find one that supports what they believe):

Reagan Tops Gallup's "Greatest President" Poll

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ps-greatest-president-poll-clinton-is-third/1

Obama was ranked 6th . . . a little over two years into office. As for the rankings as a whole, I can definitely agree with the statement made here:

Nothing against Reagan, Clinton or JFK, but we suspect "the recency effect" is at play here.

 

[Matt]

Hmmmm....he would be a great President, but he wouldn't be a great pick? I'm assuming you mean....he would not be a great pick as a candidate because he lacks charisma...which I understand. BUT, we just elected a President on "charisma" alone and a really good slogan....

I think we have a completely different voter today. They are reading, watching, listening....and even though we may disagree with many of them on ideology...they know what they want today, far more than they ever have in history...

McCain had a HORRIBLE CAMPAIGN, HAS THE CHARISMA OF A ROCK, AND he came very close....closer than I ever thought he would with the campaign that he had...worst I've seen in a long time....

It's a different voter climate out there today...the key is Independents, and Independents look at the issues, not whether or not when the candidate smiles there's a little sparkle...they did that before and got screwed...

Unless there are some drastic changes as far as jobs, jobs, jobs and the deficit....if there are more spending packages in the future......Independents will flock to the other candidate if he has viable, intelligent ideas about those issues.

That is what I meant, and I hope you're right....but I have my doubts. After all, about half of the states don't allow independents to vote in the primaries and then you have to factor in that independents are greatly outnumbered in a prinary anyhow. So while they may decide a general election, they won't decide a primary, which Daniels will never make it to due to his lack of charisma.

And, so that leftists all across the Hype can remind us that polls are rigged and mean nothing (until they find one that supports what they believe):

Reagan Tops Gallup's "Greatest President" Poll

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ps-greatest-president-poll-clinton-is-third/1

Obama was ranked 6th . . . a little over two years into office. As for the rankings as a whole, I can definitely agree with the statement made here:

It is definitely due to recency. That said, Reagan is not the best president of all time (not even top ten). Obama is not 6th. Clinton is not 3rd. JFK is not 4th (anyone with any real historical perspective would see that JFK didn't do much in office as he never really got the chance to). G.Dubya is not 10th. That's why I put such little stock into these polls. I find the ones conducted among actual historians to be far more enlightening.

 

[Marx]

I'm a little surprised that no one is discussing the approaching anniversary of the attempted assassination of President Reagan.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: DOCTORS SAY REAGAN SHOOTER IS 'NOT A DANGER'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/26/doctors-reagan-shooter-is-recovering-not-a-danger/

 

[Kelly]

*sighs*

Fine, he can live with one of them....

 

[Marx]

Thirty years ago today...President Reagan was shot.

 

[Kelly]

I remember that day, as clearly as if it were yesterday...

 

[Matt]

What does that have to do with Reagan?

 

[Kelly]

lol....

 

[Marx]

I posted the article in the wrong thread. I have corrected that mistake.

 

[Matt]

You could've at least just editted your post Marx, so we don't look ridiculous responding.

 

[Kelly]

I looked fine replying....lmao....fantastic in fact. OMG that was funny...


I just got finished crying through an entire movie, AND the commercials.....and then I read that...now I'm tired.

 

[Matt]

What movie?

 

[Kelly]

What movie?

Hallmark Hall Of Fame's "Beyond The Blackboard"

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: NANCY REAGAN HONORS LATE HUSBAND ON SEVENTH ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...onors-anniversary-of-president-reagans-death/

 

[Marx]

BRONZE REAGAN STATUE DEDICATED AT REAGAN WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT IN DC
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67360.html