Transformers The Reviews Thread

[Avangarde]

I'll tell you about Frenzy: He's an annoying mini general grevious that sounds like those war droids from the newer Star Wars movies.

 

[Golgo-13]

OKay

Spoiler

The shot that we get of Cybertron , is with a Optimus Voice Over. He talks about Cybertron and how one of his betrayed him.
The camera zooms out ,and it's pretty much a living planet. Not with robots and what not but you can see technological growth over the planet.
And i think it was also ravaged by war because the camera zoms out with a shot of Megatron laughing. It is the first real shot that we see of Megatron in movement.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Hey does Frenzy speak? He doesn't sound like Soundwave does he? I was kinda worried about that (being that he was suppossed to originaly be Soundwave). Is he referred to as Frenzy?

Spoiler

In a robotic voice.
Have you seen the 2nd international trailer ? Listen the sound that Bonecrusher makes when he transforms. That kind of "metal filter " is used for all decepticons. Frenzy being a smaller robot has a higher pitched voice . You can barely make out what he's saying , although the key words ( Witwicky , All Hail MEgatron) are heard clearly.

 

[Avangarde]

OKay

Spoiler

The shot that we get of Cybertron , is with a Optimus Voice Over. He talks about Cybertron and how one of his betrayed him.
The camera zooms out ,and it's pretty much a living planet. Not with robots and what not but you can see technological growth over the planet.
And i think it was also ravaged by war because the camera zoms out with a shot of Megatron laughing. It is the first real shot that we see of Megatron in movement.

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Yeah Cybertron has Rock and lava flow on it.
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[CFlash]

OKay

Spoiler

The shot that we get of Cybertron , is with a Optimus Voice Over. He talks about Cybertron and how one of his betrayed him.
The camera zooms out ,and it's pretty much a living planet. Not with robots and what not but you can see technological growth over the planet.
And i think it was also ravaged by war because the camera zoms out with a shot of Megatron laughing. It is the first real shot that we see of Megatron in movement.

So it's not a purely mechanical planet? I think a lot of people were worried about that. Because, really, that was the whole point of Cybertron.

 

[matrix_ghost]

[BLACKOUT]

Yeah Cybertron has Rock and lava flow on it.
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Spoiler

I thought so initially too but i dunno if it was rock/lava or explosions/fire or a combination of both
The fact that Megs is laughing menacingly indicates that there is a war on Cybertron.

I'll watch it again tomorrow to make sure

 

[matrix_ghost]

So it's not a purely mechanical planet? I think a lot of people were worried about that. Because, really, that was the whole point of Cybertron.

I think it's a combination of both.

Spoiler

Remember how in the SW prequels you the planet coruscant. It seemed like one giant city.
Now imagine a wide shot of of coruscant , taken from hight above with shots of fire and lava.

 

[Avangarde]

Cybertron is clearly a planetoid rather then a fully mechanical planet. You could see mountains or craters in the back ground.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So it's not a purely mechanical planet? I think a lot of people were worried about that. Because, really, that was the whole point of Cybertron.

In the comics it wasn't purely mechanical. Neither in Beast Wars or Beast Machines

 

[The Kid]

what's all this I hear about the matrix being in the movie?

 

[Avangarde]

In the comics it wasn't purely mechanical.

What

But cybertron could transform like Unicron.

 

[matrix_ghost]

what's all this I hear about the matrix being in the movie?

 

[Avangarde]

what's all this I hear about the matrix being in the movie?

[BLACKOUT]Its not but Prime opens his chest plate to show Sam his Spark[/BLACKOUT]

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What

But cybertron could transform like Unicron.

That's was only in the last cartoon, Cybertron. Before this point that has never been the case.

 

[Avangarde]

Umm I can distinkly remember seening an old school marvel drawing of Primus (Cybertron) and Unicron fighting. I have a complete guide to TF book showing this as well.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Umm I can distinkly remember seening an old school marvel drawing of Primus (Cybertron) and Unicron fighting. I have a complete guide to TF book showing this as well.

Primus and Unicron were Gods before Primus imprisoned both of them in asteroids which they both shaped. Primus originally had a humanoid form that looked a lot like Rodimus. Unicron shaped his prison to be a Transforming planet, while Primus populated his with Transforming beings made in his image. But Primus, himself, could not Transform.

 

[CFlash]

In the comics it wasn't purely mechanical. Neither in Beast Wars or Beast Machines

Not to get into it again with you again... but are you talking about Furman UK stuff again? In Transformers #1 on the very first page it says:

Circling the star Alpha Centauri, ages ago, was a planet unlike any other in the heavens-- Cybertron. No rock or soil or sand contributed to its bizarre geography. It's content was entirely-- mechanical.

 

[The Kid]

In beast machines, cybertron has an organic core.

I always liked that.

What is says is that cybertron was once a place like our planet then over time became more mechanical like we're making earth with our technology, then robots take over...

 

[Avangarde]

Ahh yes the UK inconsistancies.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Not to get into it again with you again... but are you talking about Furman UK stuff again? In Transformers #1 on the very first page it says:

Circling the star Alpha Centauri, ages ago, was a planet unlike any other in the heavens-- Cybertron. No rock or soil or sand contributed to its bizarre geography. It's content was entirely-- mechanical.

Reading part of the comic only give you part of the story.

 

[Avengers-Report]

Do Megatron and Starscream go at each other? What does Megatron say to Starscream, and what does Starscream say back to Megatron?

 

[CFlash]

Reading part of the comic only give you part of the story.
<snip picture that says nothing about the point except off-colored ground that could be charred metal>

As if "it's content was entirely mechanical" wasn't enough, it goes on to say in Transformers #1 of the original US Marvel:
"Cybertron existed, from metallic surface to core, as a vast... machine world."

If Cybertron in this movie is a Star Wars Coruscant like planet "overrun" by technology as if that were a "bad thing" then that's the message. Cybertron never represented that to me.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Do Megatron and Starscream go at each other? What does Megatron say to Starscream, and what does Starscream say back to Megatron?

Spoiler

You mean do they fight ?
If so , no they don't fight. As soon as Megs is unfrozen he frees himself from the chains he's tied with and squashes some humans. He then transforms in his jetform and flies out. On the other side of Hooverdam he meets up with Starscream who kneels in front of him and salutes him.
Something like "Lord Megatron ".
Megs then asks what of the humans ( who have escaped with the All Spark) and Starscream says that they escaped.
Megs then says the iconic line "You have failed me yet again Starscream". SS says nothing back but hangs his head in shame

 

[Avangarde]

I to was under the influence that Cybertron was 100% metal, but then again there is no right or wrong answer, it just depends on which continuity you take it from.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

As if "it's content was entirely mechanical" wasn't enough, it goes on to say in Transformers #1 of the original US Marvel:
"Cybertron existed, from metallic surface to core, as a vast... machine world."
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Ummmm...bud, it's nice you get all huffy with your big collection of Transformers #1-20....but they made about 60 more of those little issue things and that "charred" metal shows up about three or four more times...and it's cleary dirt brown in most panels. You lost, buck up, you haven't read many issues. Remember just because it says it in the first issue doesn't mean it's true. If that were the case Cyclops name wouldn't be "Scott", because X-Men 1 says it isn't.