Transformers The Reviews Thread

I to was under the influence that Cybertron was 100% metal, but then again there is no right or wrong answer, it just depends on which continuity you take it from.
I mean between G1 comic and G1 cartoon, they ended up both being only mostly metal. For example we know that the Quintessons terraformed an organic planet in Transformers, and we also know that the Cybertron in the comics had tectonic plates because following Unicron's attack there was a series of sesmic activity recorded and stated by Blaster.
 
I am interested in these UK versions, I only have read a couple but consentrated more with the USA version. Is there a web page that has all the UK issues with there pages to read, I wouldn't mind catching up on some back history.
 
I am interested in these UK versions, I only have read a couple but consentrated more with the USA version. Is there a web page that has all the UK issues with there pages to read, I wouldn't mind catching up on some back history.
Unfortunately no. Both Seibertron and Transfan used to have the UK issues up for reading, but Marvel has since stepped and put a stop to that. It's a shame, aside from atrocious art, the stories are great...sometimes even better than the United States stories.
 
Damn shame that is, oh well.

Peace out people, it's late over here and I should be getting some shut eye. Laters.
 
Ummmm...bud, it's nice you get all huffy with your big collection of Transformers #1-20....but they made about 60 more of those little issue things and that "charred" metal shows up about three or four more times...and it's cleary dirt brown in most panels. You lost, buck up, you haven't read many issues. Remember just because it says it in the first issue doesn't mean it's true. If that were the case Cyclops name wouldn't be "Scott", because X-Men 1 says it isn't.

LOL. Going off of brown in panels. Anyway, it's 1-30 bud. Get it right. And, I'm sure I lost. Now go explain to the FF people why it's perfectly great for Galactus to be a cloud. You can, you know.
 
LOL. Going off of brown in panels. Anyway, it's 1-30 bud. Get it right. And, I'm sure I lost. Now go explain to the FF people why it's perfectly great for Galactus to be a cloud. You can, you know.
Well, Galactus has never been a cloud. Cybertron has been organic, officially, in more than one continuity....the two of them being the G1 cartoon (via Beast Machines) and the G1.
 
Reading part of the comic only give you part of the story.
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Look at the "dirt" in the foreground. There is circuitry detail on it.
 
Ummmm...bud, it's nice you get all huffy with your big collection of Transformers #1-20....but they made about 60 more of those little issue things and that "charred" metal shows up about three or four more times...and it's cleary dirt brown in most panels. You lost, buck up, you haven't read many issues. Remember just because it says it in the first issue doesn't mean it's true. If that were the case Cyclops name wouldn't be "Scott", because X-Men 1 says it isn't.

Uhm.. how did he loose? Your point is based on images. His on statements within the comic. Nobody wins, it's just an argument dude. :rolleyes:

Wikipedia said:
The Transformers (TV series)

Cybertron from the original cartoon series


Main article: Cybertron (The Transformers)
In the TV series, Cybertron is a small planet once used by the Quintessons as a factory to create assembly lines of soldiers and workers. Following a rebellion, the workers became the Autobots and the soldiers became the Decepticons. During Optimus Prime and Megatron's four million year absence, Shockwave keeps the planet in stalemate until Megatron awakes in 1984, and he conquers the planet by 2005.
Cybertron is seen to have at least three moons, two of which are consumed by Unicron in 2005. Unicron's head became an artificial satellite when his body was destroyed during his attack on Cybertron.

The Transformers (Marvel comic)

Main article: Cybertron (Marvel Comics)
Cybertron is the material body of Primus, who was the good counterpart to Unicron. Primus enabled the Transformers to reproduce via budding of atoms but, when it spawned a dark energy, Primus wiped their memories of it. During Optimus Prime and Megatron's four million year absence, a guerrilla war was fought between Emirate Xaaron and Lord Straxus until the leaders returned in 1984. Interference from Shockwave, Starscream, Galvatron and Bludgeon kept the war going until the Autobots and Decepticons temporarily united in order to defend the planet from Unicron, and later joined forces in order to begin a new war against Jhiaxus.

Beast Wars Era

Main article: Cybertron (Beast Wars and Beast Machines)
Using the TV series and Marvel comics as a backstory, Cybertron is a peaceful planet, formerly made of organic matter before Primus made it his vessel, inhabited by the Maximals and Predacons. The Tripredacus Council bides its time waiting for war, but a new Megatron is impatient and travels back in time to change history. Failing, he returns with a new virus giving him control of Sparks, before Optimus Primal overthrows his rule, turning the planet into a techno-organic one.

Dreamwave

Main article: Cybertron (Dreamwave Comics)
As in the Marvel comics, Cybertron is the material body of Primus. The scars of battle with Unicron at the dawn of the universe also influence the Decepticons. During Optimus Prime and Megatron's absence, Shockwave kept the planet in stasis, and sabotaged their attempt in the 1990s to get back to Cybertron.

Unicron Trilogy (Armada, Energon and Cybertron)

Main article: Cybertron (Unicron Trilogy)
Cybertron, Primus' material body, is inhabited by Mini-Cons as well as Autobots and Decepticons, who are unaware they are weapons forged by Unicron. The war is started by Megatron's attempt to gather them. Ten years of peace follow Armada (2002) and then Energon (2012). After Cybertron's climax, the planet has an atmosphere suitable for humans and wildlife.

Transformers: The 2007 Live Action Film


Cybertron in the 2007 film


Cybertron is not shown as a metallic sphere, but a mountainous husk of a planet that has been ravaged by war. According to Transformers: The Movie Prequel comic book by IDW Publishing, Optimus Prime and Megatron co-ruled Cybertron. The Allspark is responsible for giving life to the Transformers. When Megatron begins a war to control it for himself, Optimus sends it into the depths of outer space in the hope that he can defeat him quickly. The war drags on, and Optimus sends Bumblebee to retrieve it, because its absence will cause the planet to shut down.

There you go :trans:
 
Man, please do not tell me ya'll are going back to old comics to determine from pieces of drawn debris whether or not the planet is organic or something. Just don't tell me that. :o:p
 
Well, Galactus has never been a cloud. Cybertron has been organic, officially, in more than one continuity....the two of them being the G1 cartoon (via Beast Machines) and the G1.

Galactus is an Abstract that appears as different things to different people... and as whatever he wants, really. How do you translate that to a big screen for a wide audience without going into Star Trek "Q" like expository dialog. You make him a cloud.

P.S. I'm not saying I agree with that. Just making a point... that you can argue anything.
 
Man, please do not tell me ya'll are going back to old comics to determine from pieces of drawn debris whether or not the planet is organic or something. Just don't tell me that. :o:p
They were in the dead lands. Also the planet experienced weather patterns, and sesmic activity (earthquakes), and in they stated that the planet was initially organic.

Cybertron also had an atmosphere and weather.
 
Hey is there any 80s vibe to this movie, like a WE'VE GOT THA TOUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111 or something?

does bumblebee play some 80s tunes to add that 80s feeling?
 
this movie is an ADAPTATION not a TRANSLATION of Transformers.


there will be a disclaimer at the end of the credits that says BASED ON CHARACTERS owned by HASBRO.
 
They were in the dead lands. Also the planet experienced weather patterns, and sesmic activity (earthquakes), and in they stated that the planet was initially organic.

And our planet was initially a piece of iron (inorganic). So what? Listen, let's get past the factoids and talk about the substance. Traditionally 1) In wide shots Cybertron is clearly SHOWN as a purely mechanical planet from the outset. More like the Death Star than Coruscant, right? 2) It is STATED several times that it is a machine world (in Issue #1 it says from surface to core... but as you say this was expanded upon. Fine.).

Does that mean there isn't other stuff like minerals, water, etc? No. But it's never really shown or made important. So what does that say? Why is it IMPORTANT to show in THIS movie volcanoes and rock to give the sense that this is a world that is "overrun"- perverted, destroyed by machines (not the bots but machinery in general)? Was that the message of the original Cybertron?

It's an interesting idea... but one I never got from the cartoon or comics. To me, Cybertron was a mysterious marvel... destroyed by greed. Nothing more. The movie's message is different.
 
and does sam have big ****ing yellow rain boots in his room somewhere?
 
And our planet was initially a piece of iron (inorganic). So what? Listen, let's get past the factoids and talk about the substance. Traditionally 1) In wide shots Cybertron is clearly SHOWN as a purely mechanical planet from the outset. More like the Death Star than Coruscant, right? 2) It is STATED several times that it is a machine world (in Issue #1 it says from surface to core... but as you say this was expanded upon. Fine.).
Uh-huh....
Does that mean there isn't other stuff like minerals, water, etc? No.
Yes, if your world were purely metal it's impossible for those things to exist.
But it's never really shown or made important. So what does that say? Why is it IMPORTANT to show in THIS movie volcanoes and rock to give the sense that this is a world that is "overrun"- perverted, destroyed by machines (not the bots but machinery in general)? Was that the message of the original Cybertron?
In fact it was. Remember the show, Beast Wars and then Beast Machines. The show, Generation 1 itself, claimed the Planet was perverted and destroyed by machines...the Quintessons. So, yes, that was a very original message in Transformers. And for quiet some time they've been reusing it.
 
Uh-huh....

The show, Generation 1 itself, claimed the Planet was perverted and destroyed by machines...the Quintessons. So, yes, that was a very original message in Transformers. And for quiet some time they've been reusing it.

Machines destroying machines (like both the Decepticons and Quintessons do) isn't the point I was making and you don't address why it wasn't important AT THE OUTSET (screw your Beast Machines crap) for the writers to convey the message this movie is conveying: "poor beautiful green natural planet, overrun and perverted by machines."

Cybertron was always shown as a machine planet- looking more like the Death Star than Coruscant-, they said it was a machine planet. FROM SURFACE TO CORE (in bold print in the comic). If the MESSAGE was to show a planet *perverted* by machinery-in-general then the planet would have looked like it does from the beginning.
 
Hollywood Reporter Review (positive)

Transformers
By Kirk Honeycutt
June 29, 2007

Bottom Line: Sci-fi action that is both smart and funny.


"Transformers" is a wet dream for fanboys with vehicles that whiz and whir into alien robots, spectacular sci-fi stunt chases, glistening military hardware, overheated computer software and brainy, hot girls who love Popular Mechanics. It's a Michael Bay movie based on a Hasbro line of toys that perfectly captures adolescent fascination with mechanical things you can take apart and put back together.

The movie is noisy fun with characters and plot lines kept simple and flashes of comedy that hit home more often than not. Most importantly, the filmmakers have shrewdly selected their young cast. Shia LaBeouf is one of the hottest young actors on the planet at the moment with the surprise hit thriller "Disturbia" and excellent lead vocal performance in the animated comedy "Surf's Up" already behind him in 2007. Megan Fox and Rachael Taylor add terrific sex appeal in roles designed to emphasis female capability and intelligence. And singer-actor Tyrese Gibson and Josh Duhamel are the smart looking military dudes who take on the aliens at street level.

The movie's appeal will definitely expand beyond fan boys and sci-fi addicts to include older "kids" who grew up with the Transformer toys and comic books. DreamWorks and Paramount should be well-rewarded for their deep-pocketed faith in this potential franchise with a global hit.

This is not the first cinematic outing for the mechanical warriors. A 1986 animated movie was based on a "Transformers" television show, which was based, of course, on the popular multiform robot toy line. It didn't go over very well at the boxoffice. (That tooner, incidently, was set in 2005.) But now Michael Bay and an army of visual designers have successfully re-imagined a photorealistic world in which these Titans can believably clash.
The best thing in the script by Roberto Orci annd Alex Kurtzman (from a story by John Rogers Orci and Kurtzman) is how a teen plotline gets tied into the fate of the world. Young Sam Witwicky (LaBeouf), who's nerdy but funny and sort of cool, gets a mysterious car from his dad, a banged-up '76 Chevy Camaro that he only later discovers is an alien robot. Now that's an intriguing way to get a girl's attention!

That girl, with the arresting name of Mikaela (Fox), has been in school with him for years but never really noticed him. One day she accepts a ride from him and finds herself caught up in a war of the worlds. Seems an ancestor of Sam made a discovery in the Arctic Circle that prompts the bad guys, sorry robots, to target Sam, who unknowingly holds the key to mankind's survival -- if he hasn't already sold it on eBay.

Two robotic races -- the evil Decepticons and the heroic Autobots -- hide out on Earth as cars, trucks, 18-wheeler tractors, Hummers, jets or even a boom box before grinding and expanding into their rotobic essence. These are CGI-errific moments, courtesy of Industrial Light & Magic, that have the fan boys leaping from their seats. All these techno creatures have feelings and emotions, you understand, which leads to the film's most amusing moment when Sam's Camaro performs wheelies after his girlfriend "insults" the car. Its radio also plays tunes that fit the mood!

The filmmakers create three other sets of characters: A group of computer hackers headed by Taylor and Glen Whitmann, who no less than the U.S. Secretary of Defense (Jon Voight) desperately appoints as his "advisors"; surviving military members of an alien attack on a U.S. base in the Middle East, lead by Duhamel and Gibson, who somehow wind up duking it out with the aliens in downtown L.A.; and shadowy anti-alien agents lead by John Turturro.

The snarl of action and storylines is sometimes awkward, but at least an audience can identify with characters wherever the robots choose to rumble. No faceless multitudes screaming and fleeing here as in the Godzilla movies of old.

Clearly, none of this would work if Bay had not adroitly coordinated the stunts, animation and characters, both real and mechanical. Thanks goes to a team of editors, who have made good sense of all the action. On the debit side, sound levels are all too high and the score pushes harder than necessary.

While he has long been a master of mayhem, on this occasion Bay weds his visual dazzle to material that carries the action smoothly. This is an extravaganza rather than overwrought excess. As one young boy exclaims upon seeing his first robot, "This is 10 time cooler than 'Armageddon!'"
 
LOL. Yahoo! Movies is telling me:

Based on your 9 ratings, we predict:
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You'll probably like this movie

Is it because I gave Silent Hill a decent review? Hmm. I dunno. :yay:
 
"This is 10 times better than Armageddon!" That quote must be on the ads when the movie is released.
 

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