The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Scene Gwen Stacey Died

[Airnick]

I'm still hoping that Gwen lives in this one, just a doubt.. that pic of Gwen being interrogated is from TASM2 or is from some scene deleted from the first?

Tasm2 I believe.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Tasm2 I believe.

There's a pic of Gwen being interrogated? How did I miss this?

 

[Airnick]

Wait Andrew can you show me the pic your talking about?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Its in a Seven vid about the new pics of Gwen, but in the SHH it doesn't show it so i was wondering...

I'm in my cellphone i will try take a print.

 

[Airnick]

Its in a Seven vid about the new pics of Gwen, but in the SHH it doesn't show it so i was wondering...

I'm in my cellphone i will try take a print.

Ok than yeah that's from Tasm2.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Ah thanks

 

[Airnick]

Ah thanks

No problem.

 

[Super Jim]

^ The jump cuts in the trailer between the date with Gwen and the action is not really 'proof'. What do you think of all the winter clothing?

Here's an alternative timeline to the one that I had initially made:

Spoiler

Under the assumption that the graduation comes as early as many believe, the Summer scenes would come before the Winter scenes. What if all of the initial interactions with Aleksei and Max Dillon happen around the same time frame as graduation? Peter is late to his graduation because of his Spider-Man duties and makes a grand entrance. Gwen puts Oxford on hold for whatever reason. Cut to several months later: the film continues in late Winter and progresses into Spring, which coincides with the dates that things were actually filmed. Harry (who had also graduated in the Summer) finally returns to NYC to attend to some personal business, we see Max Dillon turn into Electro, all of the Goblin stuff is introduced. Maybe Peter shows up late to his date with Gwen for whatever reason (cough cough visiting someone at a cemetery and running into Harry), and they both jokingly make a reference to a big scuffle that happened months earlier that caused Peter to be late for something very very important (Something that the audience may have seen earlier in the film). The Aleksei stuff and Peter's date with Gwen may not happen on the same day (as the trailer would lead one to believe).

There's also the (potentially false) assumption on both parts that everything shown in the trailer will actually be in the movie.

As Airnick stated, this is definitely something that we won't conclusively know until the film is released, but I'm still of the belief that the cemetary and rooftop scenes that we were shown most likely have nothing to do with Gwen dying.

edit: Oh and I'm glad you guys are enjoying this lol. I enjoy the speculation too.

Look, the dialogue is proof. There would be no reason for Peter to say he was caught in a traffic jam, or Gwen to respond asking if it had anything to do with being shot at with machine guns, unless the date scene comes right after the Aleskei/Armored Car scene where we see all of those police cars crashed causing a "traffic jam":

And we see Aleskei and his hench men using machine guns:

I think that the diaolgue by Gwen and Peter, with these pics, are without a doubt, proof. If you can't see that then we're not going to be able to go further.

If you can agree to this then you have to agree that the date scene is happening in late spring or summer, due to the clothing seen in the pics (cop wearing short sleeves, for example).

Now in late spring it is very possibly that during the day, in NY, it's in the 60's or 70's, but gets a bit chilly. I could easily see Peter and gwen wearing a jacket (not a winter coat) in the evning, in NY, in say May or June.

There's no snow on the ground, and those aren't winter coats, so there is no proof that this is winter time. If anything it looks more like it rained out, since the ground is wet (though that could be the fountain).

But I will give in to one thing/concern...

In some article I read it indicated that this scene was some Christmas bazaar. Can we verify in any way that this is accurate? If so it might cause some issues with the timing of things...

Now your tree "proof" of this being winter, I believe has been debunked:

Yes the tree is white, but no the tree does not have snow on it.

So, we're still back to this picture:

And yes, I believe (though not 100% convinced) that that is snow. But if so the timeline is questionable.

It's hard to believe that this movie could start in the winter and go until the summer, or start in the summer and go until the winter, but maybe it's possible.

Can anyone say definitvely what the timeframe was for Amazing Spider-Man 1? Because if it was post winter, meaning in the spring (cause it didn't look like fall), then this would have to be from the following year, after graduation.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ To me, the weather in TASM1 and the clothing worn indicates a late Summer/early Fall setting.

 

[Picard Sisko]

TASM1 was supposed to be early in the Fall semester I believe. I'm assuming it took place over the course of a month or so though?

 

[fuflipflops]

i mean, the rhino scene could've happened, peter told gwen about it and then days/weeks/months later she makes a quip referencing it when they meet up. it's not impossible.

 

[FN Spider-man]

Like I said man just check the back packs
TASM1 is blue and abit in TASM2
after graduation he changes his back to gray and also dont believe what you hear in trailers could have also been a different scene

 

[sl500jazz]

People typically do not dress like this during the summer in New York City (which usually ranges between 80°F-100°F):

And even if it was the upper 60s/70s (which isn't really even that chilly. It's room temperature) is that one of those transitional year round coats that Peter's wearing because that would mean he's wearing the same coat in the 'Summer' and for the snow? It just doesn't make sense.

And I can't really tell if there is supposed to be snow in this pic, but this doesn't really look like a tree in the summer. Maybe early spring at the very least.

You can point to the one cop with short sleeves in that scene with Aleksei, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the seasonal differences/changes.

With regards to the Christmas Bazaar thing:

Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield shared a giggle and a hug while filming a scene for The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in NYC last night. The onscreen and offscreen couple met up on a fake Christmas market that was meant to mimic Union Square's famed holiday bazaar.

http://www.popsugar.com/Emma-Stone-...-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-29524399#photo-29524538

it sure looks like it with all of the lights and tents and the clothing.

Here's the actual thing:

TASM2 comparison:

 

[FN Spider-man]

Going off topic for a moment I have to say our very firstt suit reveal and the first shoot of tasm2 outside was just fantastic

 

[Airnick]

Going off topic for a moment I have to say our very firstt suit reveal and the first shoot of tasm2 outside was just fantastic

Yeah it was, that was such a great day.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Going off topic for a moment I have to say our very firstt suit reveal and the first shoot of tasm2 outside was just fantastic

 

[FN Spider-man]

Yeah it was, that was such a great day.

I really hope they dont cut that out of the film or any other cuts that are unnecessary, I hope everything stays so we don't think what could have been

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Going off topic for a moment I have to say our very firstt suit reveal and the first shoot of tasm2 outside was just fantastic

and I agree, it was very comic booky

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Maybe we will see it in black color .......t:

 

[Super Jim]

Alright, since this has been bugging me, and I'm seeing snow at that cemetary, I decided to investigate the trailer, frame by frame, once again, but this time analyzing all incidents of Gwen and the various clothing.

Here is what I came up with:

First, a main scene not included in the trailer is the graduation, shown below:

Here we have the date scene with Peter and Gwen talking about why he’s late (to their date). He says that it was “a traffic thing” to which she replies “did your traffic jam have anything to do with being shot at by machine guns”. Again, this is very obviously and overtly a reference to the Aleskei (Rhino) armored car/machine gun scene. (By the way, nice flowers at the top right – do those grow in the winter?)

Note Gwen’s clothing of the peach (is that peach or white) jacket and blue scarf and Peter’s black peacoat and backpack. Peter is also wearing a white tee-shirt (under a black shirt).

Please notice the collar, as it will come into the discussion in a moment.

This may be around the same time as this shot:

Note the same clothes and backpack.

Next here is a shot of Peter and Gwen, with her wearing a yellow jacket during what appears to be another date scene, this time in China Town (collar down).

(By the way, I hope she's not reacting like that cause Peter is showing her something he's about to give her...)

Anyway, we can see that Gwen’s clothing is very different than what was seen during the traffic jam dialogue/date.


Now there is a quick scene in the trailer, at time 1:48 (where Gwen says “this is bigger than you Peter&#8221 and then again at time 2:04, where Gwen and Harry kiss at what appears to be Oscorp, due to all of the control panel type things on the wall behind them (can someone post a pic?). Gwen wears what appears to be this yellow jacket (she’s not wearing the blue scarf).


Back to the trailer. Then there is this pic or Gwen wearing her death clothes (blue jacket) where Peter says “I made a choice, this is my path”. Here is a pic from this point in the movie:

We know that this is around the time when Peter is battling Electro since there is a shot of her trying to use a car battery for some purpose:

Is she trying to make it so he can electrify his webbing? If so, for what purpose?
I'm assuming this is right before he webs her to the car:

Now at time 2:01 there is a quick shot (wish I could find it) where Peter is wearing his peacoat with the collar up and it appears to possibly be snowing. This is important as it obviously leads to or from this scene:

So, here is the summary:

1. Peter appears to be late to graduation because he was doing something as Spiderman (as seen in the pic with him wearing his grad clothes and his mask). It could be the other way around, with him leaving graduation and donning his mask, but the other pics show him wearing just the white tee-shirt and shorts after the graduation ceremony, so he wouldn't be wearing the grad gown and the mask.

Question #1: So, what was he doing right before graduation (remember, this is June)?

2. In the date scene Peter is wearing his collar up. The discussion definitely seems to be about why he was late to that date and that it was because of the whole Aleskei scene with the armored car, the police car pile-up and being shot at with machine guns by Aleskei and his thugs.

Question 2. In the scene where Peter says "this is my choice" and Gwen is wearing her death clothes, and she helps Peter hook up the car battery to his webbing, and he webs her to the car, who are they battling (likely Electro - right?)? It is nighttime, and he fought Aleskei during the day.

3. The quick shot in the trailer verifies that there is a winter scene where Peter is outside and it is snowing. He has his collar up, just like he did during the non-China Town (holiday bazaar) date night and at the cemetary. Add in the article that the date scene was supposedly a holiday (Christmas) bazaar, and we can at least put the date scene and the cemetary scene at around the same time.

Question: How can Peter be fighting Aleskei where a Police Officer is wearing short sleeves, and it appears to be sunny and at least April or May, and then Peter is on a date in December where the dialogue points to it being just after the Aleskei fight scene, and then it leads to Peter at the cemetary where it is snowing?

What I have surmised is that the cemetary scene is Peter visiting Captain Stacy or possibly Uncle Ben (but likely the Captain), after (or before) the date, which means Gwen says something that makes Peter want to go visit the Captain (or he is going to say something to her and visits before). It could be Peter asking the Captain about him asking Gwen to marry him, I mean dating her, and then goes on that date. Either way, this is around the same time in the movie.

That would mean that this is in December due to the holiday bazaar and snow (even though there are flowers).

So, here are the options:

1. The movie will start with the Aleskei fight scene and this will cause Peter to be late to graduation. But this would mean the obvious dialogue about machine guns does not reference the Aleskei scene (doesn't make too much sense). And then there will be 5-6 months of a gap before we find ourselves on that date and Peter visiting the Captain.

2. The Aleskei scene starts the movie and it's in December, even though a police officer is wearing short sleeves. This scene leads to the date scene where the dialogue (but not the short sleeves) makes sense. That would mean that we would span 6 months forward before the graduation scene.

In either case, there's at least a 6 month gap.

Next, it is very likely that the death clothes/car battery scene is when Peter is battling Electro. This would mean that he defeats Electro, which then leads to him battling Goblin. And between webbing Gwen and then fighting Goblin, what happens to Gwen. Well, Peter would need a reason to go after Goblin once Electro is defeated, and Gwen being kidnapped makes sense (leading to the clock tower scene and Gwen's death, still while wearing her death clothes).

But what is the seasonal timeframe of the fight scenes with Electro and Goblin?????????

One thing that bothers me is how graduation is a happy thing, and would be a good way to start this movie. Putting it in the middle, or somehow jumping 6 months from the beginning to graduation, doesn't make a lot of sense. How can we have both a June graduation and a December Holiday Bazaar/cemetary snowing scene in the same movie? Most movies start and then run almost consecutively, just like Amazing 1 did. This is so confusing...

I am starting to wonder if any of these scenes will be in a dream?

The timeline of the snow just doesn't make a lot of sense!!!

 

[sl500jazz]

^

Lol At the people wearing shorts and a t-shirt in the background. They probably work on the film in some way and aren't going to be in the final shot.

I agree that typically these films don't have drastic jumps in time, but I don't think that it would be a complete crisis if we were shown the summer/graduation scenes first and then the film jumps ahead a few months and picks up again when Harry returns to NYC . As I said before, I think that the Electro/Goblin stuff picks up at that time as well. The Time Square scene also looks like it may happen around Winter:

Btw, look what I found.

That's definitely the outdoor holiday market that the article referred to.

 

[Picard Sisko]

That looks like "Whole Foods Market" from the Union Square scene.

They filmed a date scene here.

 

[sl500jazz]

Btw, that holiday market is only open November and December. Where has Webb stated that the course of events in this film take place in the Spring (excluding the May/June graduation)?

 

[Picard Sisko]

The Union Square holiday market opens in early-mid November until Christmas time.

 

[sl500jazz]

That looks like "Whole Foods Market" from the Union Square scene.

They filmed a date scene here.

Your'e right! Scratch that then? So then it's not a holiday market as the website reported? I'm so lost...

(edit: That's the Whole Food's on Union Square where the Holiday Market would normally take place. Nvm.)