The Spirit Action Figures!

[rogue trooper]

So, as written by Eisner, Denny Colt can wear blue, and still be 'badass' enough to attract a young Frank Miller with his comic book 'manliness'.

Yet, under the 'gifted' writing stylings of said Frank Miller, we actually require the character to wear visual aids that symbolize his 'badassery'?

The black Spirit still looks like The Spirit to me. And just as Eisner attracted a young Miller, Miller needs to attract a wide general audience who may not be too keen on a guy garbed all in blue and get unintended laughs.

Thanks for at least proving one of our other points, if not conceding that black as "tough" is cliche. So, black = tough, but at least we now ALL agree that Miller can't write his way out of a paper bag without resorting to cliches.

OK. We get it, you don't like Miller...

Oh, and the thing about saying you're older than you are is... cute... but your consistency in being "frightened when confronted with your utter lack of arguments" gives it away. Adults can accept the opinions of others without chasing them around saying "No! You're wrong!"

I've tried respectfully to dissagree with you on arguments that I don't agree with. It is you who immediately jumps on me everytime I complement this film or Miller. I can accept opinions, despite your attempts in caricaturing me otherwise.

But, your valiant effort to say you're a man was endearing. Don't be in a rush to become an adult too fast. Take advantage of those amazing formative years, where everything seems to go your way. It's when you get old, and realize that your mom lied to you, and the world doesn't actually revolve around you, that you start to grasp that other people can actually not have to agree with you. Without throwing a tantrum.

Well, I could care less if you believe me or not that I am an adult(not that I don't wish I could turn back time). I'm reaching 30 and I've already graduated from college and now work independently. If I'm "throwing a tantrum" it's only because I'm throwing it back.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I'm just messing with you about your age.

Glad you admitted that Miller needs visual aids for getting characterizations across, though.

 

[CrimsonMist]

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maybe "badass" should be banned from use on these forums or something, lol.

But allow to me change what i said. What i meant was

"The blue suit variant will look much better than the black suit"

and what's this about unintended laughs at a guy in a blue suit and domino mask? Isn't that the point? He's kind of a goofy character as it is. Darwyn Cooke balanced this perfectly: the goof and the hero. And he did it all in a blue suit.

Now, it can go like this:

Guy in a black suit looks menacing. He's really a goofball.

OR

Guy in a blue suit looks like a goofball. He's actually menacing.

i prefer the second one.

and quite honestly, i don't even agree with Eisner's thoughts that it should be updated for modern times. Atleast not the way Miller thinks Eisner meant. Cooke did it perfectly, and it would work excellently on film.

and if people actually went "Wow, i cannot, at all, identify with this character because he wears a blue suit!", then the whole world deserves to be destroyed. Because i doubt that for one second, some average joe is gonna go "Wow, i really identify with The Spirit because he looks like that (author's add: *****E) from My Chemical Romance!"

 

[theMan-Bat]

Now, it can go like this:

Guy in a black suit looks menacing. He's really a goofball.

OR

Guy in a blue suit looks like a goofball. He's actually menacing.

OR

Guy in a black suit looks kind of menacing. He's actually both menacing at times and kind of a goofball.

 

[CrimsonMist]

OR

Guy in a black suit looks kind of menacing. He's actually both menacing at times and kind of a goofball.

nah, that's for the sequel AFTER he's been established.

 

[theMan-Bat]

 

[theMan-Bat]

5 bucks that when they make a blue suit variant, it'll look more badass than the black suit.

Their not making a blue suit variation because this series of figures are the Spirit film figures and, as we all know, The Spirit doesn't wear blue in Miller's Spirit film. There are variation Spirit figures.

Also there is a Spirit figure wearing blue available to purchase. So take your pick.

 

[Ziggyman]

I find that the black...Looks better than the blue and white...

But I like the original domino mask better...

 

[OctaviusINC]

The Spirit boards should just have one giant thread. Because every single thread, no matter what the topic, turns into constant prolonged bickering of Frank Miller's Spirit.

So let's merge everything together to one big fat thread.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Really? The Spirit wears black in 'Frank Miller's The Spirit'?


Nobody knew that. It couldn't possibly have just been people discussing their preferences...


Oh... wait... I see what you were doing...

 

[Mercurius]

The Spirit boards should just have one giant thread. Because every single thread, no matter what the topic, turns into constant prolonged bickering of Frank Miller's Spirit.

So let's merge everything together to one big fat thread.

You know, there's one thing that is a huge let down:

people go watch TDK, like you, call themselves agent of chaos, select a nice quote like that of chaos being fair, and, darn it! come asking for some clean, intruder-like notion of order.

Let the chaos get spread all over the Spirit threads. Let Miller know that we need a better class of filmmaker for the character.

Ta, ta.

 

[mego joe]

You know, there's one thing that is a huge let down:

people go watch TDK, like you, call themselves agent of chaos, select a nice quote like that of chaos being fair, and, darn it! come asking for some clean, intruder-like notion of order.

Let the chaos get spread all over the Spirit threads. Let Miller know that we need a better class of filmmaker for the character.

Ta, ta.

Exactly, well put.

 

[OctaviusINC]

You know, there's one thing that is a huge let down:

people go watch TDK, like you, call themselves agent of chaos, select a nice quote like that of chaos being fair, and, darn it! come asking for some clean, intruder-like notion of order.

Let the chaos get spread all over the Spirit threads. Let Miller know that we need a better class of filmmaker for the character.

Ta, ta.

Haha. I'm a broke college student getting hammered in the ass with tuition that posts on superhero message boards. I'm not an agent of chaos. But I agree with your statement.

I think Miller is the true agent of chaos. He didn't go according to plan and is sending us Spirit fans into mass panic and disgust with his "vision". As far as directing a film goes, he's a dog chasing cars.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

When I have my nervous breakdown after watching this film, I will then apply the line "Do you want to know how I got these scars?" to my vernacular when discussing my damaged psyche.

 

[Mercurius]

Haha. I'm a broke college student getting hammered in the ass with tuition that posts on superhero message boards. I'm not an agent of chaos. But I agree with your statement.

I think Miller is the true agent of chaos. He didn't go according to plan and is sending us Spirit fans into mass panic and disgust with his "vision". As far as directing a film goes, he's a dog chasing cars.

I was just kiddin', Octavious.

No, Miller is not. See, he's according to the plan: heroes dressed in black, cool Sammy Jackson showing his face, sex and violence in stylized filmmaking. Those are the rules.

Chaos, considering the state of the art, would be making a hero dressed in blue, with Ebony as his partner, with a faceless villain.

That would be bold.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

But, general audiences don't want imagination or talent put into a film like this... they want cliche-ridden, low-grade dialogue films with teh Nekkid LadeezZz (OMGZZZZORZZ!!!). And tough guys who wear black to show they are tough. It's true! Rogue Trooper told me so!

I wish I could just be a mass-following lemming with no free will, so I could mindlessly accept any random garbage that Miller decides to feed us.

 

[Mercurius]

But, general audiences like cliche-ridden, low-grade dialogue films with teh Nekkid LadeezZz (OMGZZZZORZZ!!!).

Well, general audiences and Rogue Trooper & ManBat.

I wish I could just be a mass-following lemming with no free will, so I could mindlessly accept any random garbage that Miller decides to feed us.

In fact, I really enjoy Miller's stuff. What he and Alan Moore brought to comicbook in the 80's was nothing short of a revolution.

I read all of it through and through. Miller's dark, psychological and stylized books are great.

What is boring for me is that he just got The Spirit and turned into one of his works. Because, with The Spirit, I would hope for someone who could understand Eisner's world and make it accordingly.

Like when I saw LOTR, Sin City, Hellboy and few other movies from directors that had real love and undestanding for the source material.

In this one Miller seems just to grasp the first opportunity as a director to play with his own toys.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Like when I saw LOTR, Sin City, Hellboy and few other movies from directors that had real love and undestanding for the source material.

In this one Miller seems just to grasp the first opportunity as a director to play with his own toys.

And, what's doubly tragic about that is:

1.) He so obviously doesn't feel the need to apply 'do unto others' respect to other peoples' work when others were careful enough to do so for him...

and

2.) His blatant disregard for Eisner isn't going to lose HIM any new audience members... he's going to ostracize possible new fans of Eisner. Making a film with nudity, when the source material was done by an artist who actually had talent enough to get his points of sexuality across with subtlety, is going to keep a lot of prudish parents from allowing kids to see this... and Eisner was skiiled enough to make his Spirit work maintain a heaviness while keeping the character accessible to all age groups.

He's systematically screwing Eisner out of the audience that he deserves to gain from something like this because he is either too selfish to share the spotlight with his "mentor" or he's not talented enough to attract an audience without having to resort to spectacle.

 

[Mercurius]

And, what's doubly tragic about that is:

1.) He so obviously doesn't feel the need to apply 'do unto others' respect to other peoples' work when others were careful enough to do so for him...

and

2.) His blatant disregard for Eisner isn't going to lose HIM any new audience members... he's going to ostracize possible new fans of Eisner. Making a film with nudity, when the source material was done by an artist who actually had talent enough to get his points of sexuality across with subtlety, is going to keep a lot of prudish parents from allowing kids to see this... and Eisner was skiiled enough to make his Spirit work heavy while keeping the character accessible to all age groups.

He's systematically screwing Eisner out of the audience that he deserves to gain from something like this because he is either too selfish to share the spotlight with his "mentor" or he's not talented enough to attract an audience without having to resort to spectacle.

Alas, I don't think we'll be fortunate enough to get nudity, you know? Hahahahahaha.

Now, seriously: I think more extreme views (even in humour) apply to Miller's kind of work.

In Ronin we have one of the best scenes of nudity and sex in comicbooks. Hard Boiled has a very sinister (and intelligent) black humour.

It's not - the way I see it - a problem of subtlelty. I think Miller is subtle in building, for instace, Matthew Murdock's psychology.

It's a problem of what applies to a certain kind of story.

Miller is making, IMO, a very out of proportion Spirit, changing its, ah-ham, "spirit", so to speak, in a way it is taking features that are totally different from it. That's the problem.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Nope. Go check the 'Rating' thread.

It's got brief nudity... because Miller had to squeeze it in, somehow.

I'm not afraid of the human body.

It's just not appropriate for a film based on the Spirit.

Unless you ask Rogue Trooper or ManBat.

According to them, anything Miller decides to do is appropriate for the character, simply because he's Frank Miller.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Nope. Go check the 'Rating' thread.

It's got brief nudity... because Miller had to squeeze it in, somehow.

I'm not afraid of the human body.

It's just not appropriate for a film based on the Spirit.

Unless you ask Rogue Trooper or ManBat.

According to them, anything Miller decides to do is appropriate for the character, simply because he's Frank Miller.

Please don't put words in our mouths when you criticize us. If Frank Miller charged in with a Spirit who was not a detective, whose main romantic interest was not Police Commissioner Dolan's daughter, named Ellen Dolan, my reaction would have been, "This is not the Spirit." Brief nudity is appropriate for alluring and seductive femme fatales. Eisner's seductive, fabulously curvaceous femme fatales were never briefly nude because they were toned down for the times and publish in the comics section of newspapers. This was a time of censorship. However, there was a whole lot of cleavage. If Eisner could have, he might have included some brief nudity.

 

[Mercurius]

Please don't put words in our mouths when you criticize us. If Frank Miller charged in with a Spirit who was not a detective, whose main romantic interest was not Police Commissioner Dolan's daughter, named Ellen Dolan, my reaction would have been, "This is not the Spirit." Brief nudity is appropriate for alluring and seductive femme fatales. Eisner's seductive, fabulously curvaceous femme fatales were never briefly nude because they were toned down for the times and publish in the comics section of newspapers. This was a time of censorship. However, there was a whole lot of cleavage. If Eisner could have, he might have included some brief nudity.

Agree with you on the Eisner interests in sexy women, and your argument on the context of his age, but this: "If Frank Miller charged in with a Spirit who was not a detective, whose main romantic interest was not Police Commissioner Dolan's daughter, named Ellen Dolan, my reaction would have been, "This is not the Spirit" doesn't work.

You see, let's apply the same measurements to Batman.

We keep Batman as a detective, who fights the crime in a Batsuit, and is kinda friends with Commissioner Gordon, lives in Gotham City, under the Bruce Wayne billionaire persona, and likes caves.

Everything is checking.

But we put him dropping wisecracks while fighting; in shiny garments with nipples; and we keep Gordon as far as possible from his comic book counterpart, and leave the villain parts to famous actors who play them in extreme stylized acting, like a caricature.

Well, it can be a suckcess, but it will get the worst fame possible, 'cause if one knows Batman, one will despise this cheap trick. Batman is dark, story goes through some extreme views, etc.

The characters are much more than a simple list of basics to be covered. They demand a very careful reconstruction of their features in order to make it convincing. And this is not happening if a director, like Schumacher, is putting his odd views to it.

And it won't do also if Miller is putting his odd views to it, in the case of The Spirit. You can check the basics. But all the rest is Miller's regalia.

 

[rogue trooper]

Nope. Go check the 'Rating' thread.

It's got brief nudity... because Miller had to squeeze it in, somehow.

I'm not afraid of the human body.

It's just not appropriate for a film based on the Spirit.

Unless you ask Rogue Trooper or ManBat.

According to them, anything Miller decides to do is appropriate for the character, simply because he's Frank Miller.

....brief nudity by Eisner:

....yep. Miller had to somehow squeeze it in.

According to you, anything Miller does, right or wrong, is wrong simply because he's Frank Miller.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Where's the nudity in that page? You must have posted the wrong sample.

And... since everyone who can read, who frequents these threads, can clearly admit, I actually approve of far more that Miller is doing than the average diehard Eisner fan... as opposed to the polar opposite, which is just accepting everything because I am a sheep. But, good attempt at trying for the win. There are, however, two F's in eFFort.

So, once again, everyone who sees you chasing around anyone who doesn't just blindly agree with you... stalking and baiting them... knows that you're talking out of your @$$ when you try to sound all hardcore while attempting to 'critique' any post that doesn't completely line up with your very, very limited opinion. Probably, because the rest of us have developed beyond 2nd grade.

Epic fail.

Yet again.

 

[rogue trooper]

Where's the nudity in that page? You must have posted the wrong sample.

You must have $h!t in your eyes. And I guarantee the nudity in the film won't be anymore extreme than the picture above.

And... since everyone who can read, who frequents these threads, can clearly admit, I actually approve of far more that Miller is doing than the average diehard Eisner fan...

Keep telling yourself that.

So, once again, everyone who sees you chasing around anyone who doesn't just blindly agree with you... stalking and baiting them... knows that you're talking out of your @$$ when you try to sound all hardcore while attempting to 'critique' any post that doesn't completely line up with your very, very limited opinion. Probably, because the rest of us have developed beyond 2nd grade.

Epic fail.

Yet again.

You should really read this post outloud and look in the mirror. Look up the word "hypocrite" in a dictionary and there's a picture of you beside it.

My advice to you is; quit being such a man-child and stop getting overly offended when someone compliments Miller.