Age of Ultron The Steve Rogers/Captain America Thread

[warhorse78]

To be honest unless we write the stories we are not going to get exactly what we want. You want Cap instead of Widow and if it was like that then there would have been people who wanted Widow instead of Cap.

If it was up to BigThor I feel like he would have all the other Avengers killed then Thor go on a rampage through all the drones then defeat Ultron.

But you are missing the big picture here dude. The primary characters are Ironman, Captain America, Thor and Hulk. It makes perfect sense that Cap should be part of the major heroics. Black Widow is the secondary character, not Cap. You need to understand that.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

He didn't have that either in Avengers 1. Like I said, Hulk, Ironman and Blackwidow got all the money shots. Cap was severely held back so the other three could shine, for whatever reason. I also don't like how Thor got shafted too.

I don't think Widow outshined Cap in the 'money shot' department I mean yeah she closed the portal but that was hardly an exciting wow moment. Apart from that she a mediocre fight with Hawkeye and average combat with the Chitauri.

Hulk stole the combat scenes, as you'd expect when you've waited over an hour to see him, Iron Man I guess had some cool stuff fighting Thor and Chitauri, Thor had that one moment of shooting lightning from the Chrysler(?)

Also my point was more like TWS was basically an entire film of money shot for Cap so I can handle him not having a major one in this film, I want to see the twins, Vision, Ultron, Hawkeye and Thor do something awesome and as I say they don't have unlimited budget.

 

[warhorse78]

See that is the disappointing thing for me, offscreen I don't think that's the case, I think they are both charismatic, in interviews I wouldn't say Hiddleston greatly out shines Hemsworth. It's on screen Loki has just had more to work with and more fun lines.

Disagree. Hemsworth kind of loses something to other actors , and even in his other movies outside of playing Thor, he gets upstaged by his co-stars. Granted, I've seen very little movies with him in them, but the ones I did see,

Cabin in the Woods-The pothead was the favorite

Red Dawn-Josh Hutcherson stole the show

Rush-Daniel Bruhl ran circles around him.

I think the last time I really seen him shine was his bit part in Star Trek.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

But you are missing the big picture here dude. The primary characters are Ironman, Captain America, Thor and Hulk. It makes perfect sense that Cap should be part of the major heroics. Black Widow is the secondary character, not Cap. You need to understand that.

I honestly won't understand this point to be honest, they are the big 4 based on comics, the Avengers are promoted as a team franchise with 6 members all of whom are at least stated to be main characters.

I'm not saying Cap is a secondary character to Widow, he after all is going to have a trilogy of solo films, but if he plays a secondary role to Widow or Hawkeye in an Avengers film whilst obviously still being a major character, I don't see the problem.

If Spiderman joins the franchise does that mean he automatically gets top screen time, will he become the big dog of the Avengers?

 

[warhorse78]

I don't think Widow outshined Cap in the 'money shot' department I mean yeah she closed the portal but that was hardly an exciting wow moment. Apart from that she a mediocre fight with Hawkeye and average combat with the Chitauri.

Hulk stole the combat scenes, as you'd expect when you've waited over an hour to see him, Iron Man I guess had some cool stuff fighting Thor and Chitauri, Thor had that one moment of shooting lightning from the Chrysler(?)

Also my point was more like TWS was basically an entire film of money shot for Cap so I can handle him not having a major one in this film, I want to see the twins, Vision, Ultron, Hawkeye and Thor do something awesome and as I say they don't have unlimited budget.

Wowser, you really don't get it. At all! Cap was nothing more than a foot soldier in The Avengers. He should have been part of the top four taking on the big baddies, and he wasn't. If you can't see that, then you just dont get it. And oh, by the way, Black Widow also shined in TWS too. Since he didn't get to do anything in Avengers 1, then I think they owe it to us for him to do something in Avengers 2. Personally, I'd put Tony on the back burner because he's the one I am sick of.

 

[warhorse78]

I honestly won't understand this point to be honest, they are the big 4 based on comics, the Avengers are promoted as a team franchise with 6 members all of whom are at least stated to be main characters.

I'm not saying Cap is a secondary character to Widow, he after all is going to have a trilogy of solo films, but if he plays a secondary role to Widow or Hawkeye in an Avengers film whilst obviously still being a major character, I don't see the problem.

If Spiderman joins the franchise does that mean he automatically gets top screen time, will he become the big dog of the Avengers?

Like I said, you don't get it. Black Widow is a B character, Cap is an A character. I do have a problem with a B character getting more action shots/saving moments than the A character. Cap deserves better than that, they failed in Avengers one, I hope they don't fail in Avengers 2.

 

[marcvader]

Fans of the Avengers comics want the hierarchy of the comic translated into live action and no, Spider Man isnt the top dog in Avengers comics.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Yep I said I don't understand your fascination with the 'big 4' being more important than Widow and Hawkeye.

There is no B or A character, the writing makes a character. Cap is not somehow inherently better. It was only 7 years ago when Iron Man was listed as a B character. Right now Dr Strange is a C character probably by most estimations, in two years he will probably be A-list.

 

[warhorse78]

Yep I said I don't understand your fascination with the 'big 4' being more important than Widow and Hawkeye.

There is no B or A character, the writing makes a character. Cap is not somehow inherently better. It was only 7 years ago when Iron Man was listed as a B character. Right now Dr Strange is a C character probably by most estimations, in two years he will probably be A-list.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Probably never will.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Nope apart from the fact that's how is was in the comics because those were the most popular characters, well now guess what people love Widow and want to see more of her. Tell all those millions of people who don't care for the comics that Widow is a b character and should be supporting the big 4.

As I said I love Cap and personally I would write Cap and Thor as the two main Avengers, however I don't write the screen play and I can understand other peoples viewpoints when it comes to who they love and want to see.

 

[TeeKay]

 

[Venomfan]

since when is there a big 4? comics wise its always been cap, thor, and ironman, no? if i remember right, hulk was an avengers for like 1.5 issues. Has he been bumped up because of the movie?

 

[BigThor]

To be honest unless we write the stories we are not going to get exactly what we want. You want Cap instead of Widow and if it was like that then there would have been people who wanted Widow instead of Cap.

If it was up to BigThor I feel like he would have all the other Avengers killed then Thor go on a rampage through all the drones then defeat Ultron.

That's your opinion and you're aloud to have it, you're wrong but I certainly won't lose any sleep behind it.

Sadly, I agree. He seriously got upstaged, in both his movies and The Avengers, by Loki. Hemsworth is great, but his charisma stales in comparison to Hiddleston.

I disagree, Loki only outshined Thor because his inated character allows him more freedom than Thor's.

Thor has never been nearly as multi-layered and conflicted as Loki even in the comics, it has nothing to do with Hiddleston or Hemsworth.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Personally. ....I'm not worried

 

[Quasimod0]

That's your opinion and you're aloud to have it, you're wrong but I certainly won't lose any sleep behind it.



I disagree, Loki only outshined Thor because his inated character allows him more freedom than Thor's.

Thor has never been nearly as multi-layered and conflicted as Loki even in the comics, it has nothing to do with Hiddleston or Hemsworth.

I agree, BigThor. The highlights of the Thor films have been the performances by Hemsworth and Hiddleston. Loki has more to work with because he is a more unpredictable, sarcastic, evil character. But Hemsworth has completely embodied the role of Thor every time he has been on screen. The guy is great in the role. I don't think he has been upstaged by Loki at all.

 

[Stringer]

I think Thor fans have the bigger reason for concern here, but this isn't his thread so there's that.

I do find it funny that some posters expect us to just assume that Whedon will handle Cap better this time around even though we're not given much to go off of yet. From what we've seen so far, it's the same old from TA; now that may not mean it's going to end up that way, but it doesn't mean it's going to be better. Hiring the team from TWS doesn't mean Whedon knows how to effectively set, shoot, or edit those fight scenes as well as the Russo's. He has yet to show that as a strength.

 

[ctsketch]

Yeah, you're still missing the point.

In the trailer we have...Iron man being beaten down.... Thor looking dead.... Bruce in pain pr raging.....

The trailers are clearly supposed to show the big 4 being defeated....in fact...the only hero shown to be beating an Ultron is the one second of Quicksilver body checking a drone

 

[ctsketch]

there hasn't been a display of Cap's powers/strength/fighting abilities/emotional moments like there is with Hulk/Tony/Widow/Thor… Even Scarlet Witch has a couple of split-second moments in the first trailers where she looks like she's in agony or other emotional conflict.

Now you're getting into Revisionist history territory

 

[ctsketch]

But you are missing the big picture here dude. The primary characters are Ironman, Captain America, Thor and Hulk. It makes perfect sense that Cap should be part of the major heroics. Black Widow is the secondary character, not Cap. You need to understand that.

She's also the only female avenger pretty much and she is a draw for that demographic, YOU need to understand that

 

[ctsketch]

Wowser, you really don't get it. At all! Cap was nothing more than a foot soldier in The Avengers. He should have been part of the top four taking on the big baddies, and he wasn't. If you can't see that, then you just dont get it. And oh, by the way, Black Widow also shined in TWS too. Since he didn't get to do anything in Avengers 1, then I think they owe it to us for him to do something in Avengers 2. Personally, I'd put Tony on the back burner because he's the one I am sick of.

Did you miss the part where Cap was kicking Chitauri ass?

And lets be honest...of the "big 4" he is and should be the weakest....he isn't as strong and hulk or thor or as durable and doesn't have iron man's weapons. he's an excellent fighter who fights with a shield and he did just that in the final battle

 

[ctsketch]

Yeah, you just don't get it. Probably never will.

I think you need to calm down... you don't realize how crazed you are sounding

 

[Stringer]

In the trailer we have...Iron man being beaten down.... Thor looking dead.... Bruce in pain pr raging.....

The trailers are clearly supposed to show the big 4 being defeated....in fact...the only hero shown to be beating an Ultron is the one second of Quicksilver body checking a drone

Iron Man shouldn't even be brought up here. He gets all the best moments in the trailer, including slamming Hulk into the street.Thor has a moment where he's got Stark be the throat, showing his power and intimidating presence. Cap has no such scene.

 

[BETArayBill]

Captian America is my favorite avenger and marvel character and I'm not the least bit worried about his screen time or Presence in this movie Joss got him right by me in the first film and the Russo's perfected his character in winter solider so I see no reason to worry about him in this new film.

 

[ctsketch]

Now you're counting Thor grabbing Tony by the throat a great hero moment?!

 

[harryoscop]

Cap being my favorite Avenger, I agree he shouldn't play second fiddle to characters like Black Widow or Hawkeye, he's one of "the big four".