BvS The suits' similarities

[Scuba]

Forgive me if this has been started in a thread already, but I'm a longtime lurker and one issue has been gnawing at me for a while: If Batman has been in operation for so much longer than Superman, how will they explain why Batman's suit looks really similar in inspiration to Superman's, which is an ancient alien outfit?

I don't bring this up to troll -- I am seriously interested in if they will cover this somehow and I'll be fascinated if they pull it off with Snyder's "if this happened in real life" mantra. We take it for granted that superheroes wear these types of outfits, but in Snyder's universe, it's got to be an incredible coincidence that the world's two greatest heroes both wear skintight bodysuits/armor with knee high boots, belts, a unique chest emblem, and of course most notably, capes.

Thoughts?

 

[elgaz]

I'm not sure how they'll explain it, but this would be my take on it.

Superman's suit was obviously from the Kryptonian vessel that crashed on Earth many thousands of years ago. One of these Kryptonian cryo-chambers was empty, suggesting someone fled the vessel alive.

It's fully possible that that Kryptonian interacted with the human inhabitants of the planet at the time - this may have been on a one-on-one basis or they could have been revered as a God. In any event, their dress style and armour may have greatly influenced the styles worn and used by humans at the time. And going down through the ages, this naturally evolved into the regal costumes, capes and armour worn by Royalty, Knights and so on. Those types of fashions still influence many others today.

It's also possible that despite being from different civilisations on different planets, both subjects are humanoid and it's natural that their fashions will evolve in a similar manner because of their physical characteristics - i.e. the chest is the obvious location for a symbol if you wished to display one, they are both going to have similar exposed areas which should be armoured, and so on.

And of course, it's also highly possible Snyder will simply not refer to this at all. It's a pertinent question but not one that many people have asked in the past - I know a lot of versions of Superman had his suit being created by Ma Kent, but there are also some where it was alien in nature and thus should have no real similarities to Batman's.

 

[MaskettaMan]

Why does the Joker escape Arkham every week and they dont kill him?
Why didnt Ironman help Cap defeat the Winter Soldier?
And so on...

 

[Scuba]

Why does the Joker escape Arkham every week and they dont kill him?
Why didnt Ironman help Cap defeat the Winter Soldier?
And so on...

Plenty of good reasons, I imagine. Maybe Ironman had his own problems that day. Hungover? Important client meeting that day? I don't know.

 

[matt47]

Plenty of good reasons, I imagine. Maybe Ironman had his own problems that day. Hungover? Important client meeting that day? I don't know.

I always just thought that Iron Man 3 happened before Cap 2 and that's why there was no Iron Man.

 

[Guts]

The Hulk can be an ally to the avengers if Bruce transforms on his own. So they could have called Bruce to help them out.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

No offense to the OP, no, I don't think it's trolling in the least, but... It's a very nit picky and besides the point issue, don't you think? Verisimilitude doesn't mean having to have some in depth or convoluted logical underpinning for EVERYTHING in a CBM. THE REAL HISTORY OF WHY THE SUITS ARE SIMILAR? Bill Finger and Bob Kane decided to have a cape and not "bat wings", and copied the idea of an identifiable chest symbol like all the other creators at the time did from Superman. The in story reason there are similarities between the two suits? They just are. Period. There's really no need to go into this in any story featuring the two, is there? Does THIS issue really break the suspension of disbelief for the audience or raise any sort of pertinent plot or character questions? Supes and Bats wear capes and boots, have a symbol on their chests and have skin tight clothing because... That's what they wear. No in story justification is really needed.

 

[Scuba]

You're probably right as far as no explanation is needed, I guess. I just figured because of the angle Snyder is taking maybe he had an intriguing take on it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think far too much has been made of both Snyder and Nolan's takes on verisimilitude when it comes to these fantasy characters. Just as the grounded world of MOS doesn't preclude Paradise Isle, Amazons, Atlantis, magic or other fantasy elements from existing side by side (really, there's no hard or fast rule set down in any way in the film or by Snyder in any interviews about this) it also doesn't require any sort of logical underpinning for two caped, boot wearing heroes to be around at the same time, to my eyes at least.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The explaination is that the same costume designer did both suits. I'm sorry but I fail to see the dilemma. One costume looks like a Batman costume and the other looks like a Superman costume, just like in the comicbooks.

I do agree that people take the "realism" thing overboard but Nolan's Bat-films did rule out the supernatural. They are sci fi fantasy films but not nearly as aggressively as Man of Steel is, there is no hint of something larger in those films. If there was we would have seen the Lazarus pit. It's super ridiculous to not lable Man of Steel a straight up sci fi fantasy though, it's every bit as ridiculous as The Avengers on paper. Superpowered Aliens who look like humans exist in Man of Steel's world, it's not the least bit realistic and even "grounded" seems like the wrong term to use. And I've used that term before and might in the future, I'm just saying that it doesn't seem like a 100% correct term to use. I'd lable it a tonally serious sci fi action film more than anything else. I mean it had Russell Crowe riding a giant dragonfly, come on people it's a fantasy.

 

[DarkSentinel]

You be nice to H'Raka, Spidey, he got shot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not being mean in the slightest.

 

[DarkSentinel]

H'Raka was one of my favorite things in MOS

But back on topic, I agree it's much better for the audience to just draw their own conclusions, i.e. similar physiology, similar costumes.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Plenty of good reasons, I imagine. Maybe Ironman had his own problems that day. Hungover? Important client meeting that day? I don't know.

Nah he was just chilling at home because Zolas algorithm shows him to be at Avengers tower. Nothing more important than saving the free world from Hydra.

In regards to your question, I don't think it's such a big deal. Would be fine with hem not explaining it.

 

[Mee]

It turns out Batman is from Krypton, he was one of the original Earth explorers and he's been living among us as playboy Bruce Wayne for years. He killed the Waynes cause they were going to expose him.


Obviously.

 

[CGNefarious]

They both wear boots because flip-flops turned out to be less than optimal in initial testing.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I'm not sure how they'll explain it, but this would be my take on it.

Superman's suit was obviously from the Kryptonian vessel that crashed on Earth many thousands of years ago. One of these Kryptonian cryo-chambers was empty, suggesting someone fled the vessel alive.

It's fully possible that that Kryptonian interacted with the human inhabitants of the planet at the time - this may have been on a one-on-one basis or they could have been revered as a God. In any event, their dress style and armour may have greatly influenced the styles worn and used by humans at the time. And going down through the ages, this naturally evolved into the regal costumes, capes and armour worn by Royalty, Knights and so on. Those types of fashions still influence many others today.

It's also possible that despite being from different civilisations on different planets, both subjects are humanoid and it's natural that their fashions will evolve in a similar manner because of their physical characteristics - i.e. the chest is the obvious location for a symbol if you wished to display one, they are both going to have similar exposed areas which should be armoured, and so on.

And of course, it's also highly possible Snyder will simply not refer to this at all. It's a pertinent question but not one that many people have asked in the past - I know a lot of versions of Superman had his suit being created by Ma Kent, but there are also some where it was alien in nature and thus should have no real similarities to Batman's.

maybe bats has in his possession some ancient knight's armor that looks like the superbatman?

and that's what inspired his suit?

 

[moviefreak]

If you want to atomised the film to ground, you could go as far as describe the similarities between the suits as a form of convergent evolution of fashion much like in the biological convergent evolution, e.g. the streamlined features in fishes & mammals (dolphins, whales) and winged flight in bird and bats, and visions via camera-like eyes in human and squids/octopuses.

Just turn off your brain if you see Batman "fly".

 

[Nemeres]

Interesting. I doubt they'll explain it, though. Those have been their costumes since the beginning, so it's just the kind of stuff you take for granted.

 

[N7 Joseph Shepard]

There are enough differences for them that you don't need it to be explained. Just like how Clark got his suit I. His size and everything, granted it would be nice for them to take 10 seconds to just say "oh the ship scanned you the moment your key was put into the computer and it made the suit for you".....but that's asking to much lol

 

[Chip Chipperson]

only similarities I see are capes and no underwear.

Its a comic book movie, no logic or explanation for something like this is needed. Maybe terrio will sneak in a clever line about them both wearing suits, who knows.

 

[BatScot]

Batman being Batman even before being Batman would have known of and fully explored the Kryptonian vessel before even Clark, would have seen the Kryptonian suit, incorporated the less gaudy elements and cool factored the rest into that rad black and gray batsuit and in the process one up those Kyrptonian designers back to fashion week.~

 

[Bren]

Wonder Woman: "Can't you two even try see eye to eye?!?! I mean, you both wear capes, for Hera's sake!"

Ancient Kryptonian: "Here, take my suit. It will help you in your anger-filled yet noble quest to rid your city of crime."
Bruce Wayne: "Does it come in black?"

 

[Fallen Angel]

The suits are similar because Batman is Kryptonian. Every hero in the DCCU is Kryptonian.

 

[Caekzor]

^It's what ties everything together in a realistic way, making the shared cinematic universe possible.