The super-duper JUGGERNAUT thread.

[Assassin]

i was on that video site and i found a trailer for J2 lol by the same guy, its also on his myspace!

http://thatvideosite.com/view/2559.html

 

[Savage]

lol. I finaly figured it out. It's not what he says that's funny but that damn voice. WTF is up with that voice?

 

[Knives122]

lol, that's going to be great, but he'll probably get owned like he did in the last one

 

[i'm Spider-Man]

LOL, it's funny that you choose a picture from the comic he died in. Taken out by Gambit LOL

though you're right in saying Gambit 'took him out', it's safe to say that he did so no further than simply disorienting him, slowing him down. What with his newly-acquired Gem of Cyttorak, he seemed pretty invulnerable.

Notice that Gambit was lying, dying, in amongst the rubble, whereas Juggs wasn't around. I'm guessing he was buried under the rubble for a little while. No doubt he'll pop up in the next 12 months in some capacity.

On another note, i think everyone needs to bear in mind that though the Marvel universe is a very close approximation of the 'real world', it's still an approximation. it's NOT the real world. It's a version of it. Therefore, there are differences - such as the border between magic/mysticism/supernaturals and 'real physics' being somewhat blurred.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

though you're right in saying Gambit 'took him out', it's safe to say that he did so no further than simply disorienting him, slowing him down. What with his newly-acquired Gem of Cyttorak, he seemed pretty invulnerable.

Notice that Gambit was lying, dying, in amongst the rubble, whereas Juggs wasn't around. I'm guessing he was buried under the rubble for a little while. No doubt he'll pop up in the next 12 months in some capacity.

On another note, i think everyone needs to bear in mind that though the Marvel universe is a very close approximation of the 'real world', it's still an approximation. it's NOT the real world. It's a version of it. Therefore, there are differences - such as the border between magic/mysticism/supernaturals and 'real physics' being somewhat blurred.

Isn't this possibly to bring him in line with the 616 version where he took a while to dig out of a cave.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think they're too concerned with bringing anything in the Ultimate comics more in line with the 616 comics.

 

[Assassin]

when ultimate juggs comes back, that should be the first line out of his mouth when some one says "i thought u were dead!"

 

[Langoth]

They'd love everything 616 to become more like Ultimate, not the other way around.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

I happen to like the look of Ultimate Juggernaut. But everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion.

Chyeah, I think Ultimate Juggernaut kicks so much ass too bro. Also, I'd have to agree with you that he should now be more powerful than 616 Juggernaut as well. Heh, man that's just insane and I love it.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Yeah, Ultimate Juggernaut isn't dead, just knocked out or something, and now he's more powerful than even 616 Juggs.

Rogue has Gambit's powers now, PERMANENTLY, since she kissed him before he died. I just had a thought: Wouldn't it be f***ed up if Rogue became a serial killer? It'll never happen, but just imagine: She would go around taking other people's superpowers, and kill them right after, keeping them all for herself. She'd take over the world in no time.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

A few points from the resident physics Ph.D. candidate:

Quantum tunelling -- the idea that a particle can pass through a potential barrier that according to classical physics is too high for it to cross -- isn't really "new". We're talking about basic quantum mechanics -- i.e., physics from the first half of the 20th century.

Anyway, what you're talking about isn't really quantum tunneling per se -- more like the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics in general (of which quantum tunelling is one consequence). Yes, there's a chance that a particle that's observed in one position will later be observed in a drastically different position. So, in principle a bunch of particles could go from one configuration to another due to probabilistic effects. But when we're talking about this happening for all the particles in a macroscopic object (in other words more than billions of billions of particles) it is not only "improbable", but ludicrously, absurdly, ridiculously improbable.

I'm not going to try to work out the exact probability of all the atoms of a human being spontaneously reassembling themselves to make a chair due to random quantum effects -- but I feel confident in predicting it would not happen even once even if you could wait a billion times the age of the universe.

I just want to make this clear -- quantum mechanics doesn't make any prediction that we should see magical effects like people turning into chairs in the real world. Maybe such things are possible in principle, but they're so absurdly unlikely as to make such possibilities meaningless. Furthermore, I know of no credible scientist who believes the basic laws of probability can be in some way altered. In fact, experimental science is dependent on the assumption that the laws of probability are absolute. If your theory predicts that a certain outcome is absurdly unlikely, and that outcome is then observed repeatedly, scientists will conclude your theory is wrong. They won't say "Maybe the laws of probability changed to make that outcome more likely."

I just don't want anyone treating all the bull**** "psychics" and magic acts out there with any more credulity on the grounds that "quantum mechanics says anything is possible".

Of course, in comic books the writers can make up whatever pseudo-scientific B.S. they want.

Yeah, I know, but in the Marvel or Ultimate Marvel Universe, I suspect quantum tunnelling would be a common occurrence.

But I still think that if magic truly does exist in real life, then it's probably due to a strange phenomenon of quantum physics, something about the human mind being able to manipulate reality on a certain level.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magic in the Marvel universe is an energy of its own which is radiated by the stars. The stars are living conscious entities.

 

[torkibe]

I just had a thought: Wouldn't it be f***ed up if Rogue became a serial killer? It'll never happen, but just imagine: She would go around taking other people's superpowers, and kill them right after, keeping them all for herself. She'd take over the world in no time.

That would be a cool "What If?" She could literally trick hundreds of people before they realized what she was doing. She starts with Xavier so she can resist almost any mental attacks, then moves on to someone like the Silver Surfer so she can defeat almost anyone physically, and then just goes around taking the powers of everyone she encounters. In the end, Dr. Strange manages to banish her to some realm from which she cannot escape.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Magic in the Marvel universe is an energy of its own which is radiated by the stars. The stars are living conscious entities.

Really? Where's that from? I thought magic was its own form of energy that was just part of the natural order of the universe, contained in beings and objects.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Chyeah, I think Ultimate Juggernaut kicks so much ass too bro. Also, I'd have to agree with you that he should now be more powerful than 616 Juggernaut as well. Heh, man that's just insane and I love it.

A particularly brawny flea would be more powerful than the 616 Juggernaut now, unfortunately. He's been so pathetically depowered it's sad.
<---- See? Sad.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Really? Where's that from? I thought magic was its own form of energy that was just part of the natural order of the universe, contained in beings and objects.

I don't remember the origin of it for certain but I think it was the Cloud storyline in Defenders. I am fairly sure it was about that time approx. Seems to me that they threw that out there and never really followed up on it with any details. However Cloud and the other stars being sentient has been refered to elsewhere so nothing that I know of contradicts it.

 

[Darthphere]

A particularly brawny flea would be more powerful than the 616 Juggernaut now, unfortunately. He's been so pathetically depowered it's sad.
<---- See? Sad.

But hes the Juggernaut *****.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

More like "he's the Juggernaut--nothing but a *****" in the current 616 comics.

I don't remember the origin of it for certain but I think it was the Cloud storyline in Defenders. I am fairly sure it was about that time approx. Seems to me that they threw that out there and never really followed up on it with any details. However Cloud and the other stars being sentient has been refered to elsewhere so nothing that I know of contradicts it.

Weird. I guess when they supernova, the mystical energies end up spreading throughout the universe and empowering the likes of Asgardians and other god races, similar to how normal stars' supernovae release the raw materials for building normal life. That's a pretty cool explanation, actually.

 

[Darthphere]

What comic is Juggernaut in anyway? I dont read any x-titles outside of Astonishing and even that is sucking pretty hard too.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's in New Excalibur. I read the first couple of issues, but Juggernaut got pwned by ****ing traffic and the not-quite-formed-yet New Excalibur team fought evil, alternate reality versions of the original X-Men, so I dropped it. I'll be picking it up again at the start of the next arc, however, because the one and only Black Knight will be guest-starring, and I really am that much of a Black Knight ****e.

 

[iambilly81]

new excalibur is pritty decent, they just had black tom in the newest story arc. pritty cool seeing how juggernaut took the whole thing.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I don't really care about 616 continuity anymore. Too much of a clusterf*** to enjoy and follow up on. All that 616 is good for now is mythology (until it's ret-conned into oblivion).

ULTIMATE Juggernaut is the man now.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't really care about 616 continuity anymore. Too much of a clusterf*** to enjoy and follow up on. All that 616 is good for now is mythology (until it's ret-conned into oblivion).

ULTIMATE Juggernaut is the man now.

Laugh worthy.

 

[mrokner]

OK, a few points:

I don't understand why people are trying to explain comics using real-world physics. Magic has nothing to do with science, and it doesn't exist in our world. Events happen in comics because of writers, not because of some causal process dictated by physics. To argue that comics abide by the laws of physics is nothing short of comical brillance. Writers say it all the time: The reason [insert event] occurs is because the comics code decrees it to be -- in other words, comics are a manifestation of writers' imaginations.

Back to fantasy...

Juggernaut has been hurt. The Professor punched him, and juggy fell to his knees, clutching his stomach. Then he knocked juggy out. War Hulk completely impeded his momentum and tossed him aside. He stopped the unstoppable. Thor pushed Juggy back a few steps in their fight, but War Hulk simply outclassed him. Why? That fight showcased Juggy has his limits. Make no mistake about it, both Hulk and Jug have knocked each other unconscious -- they're just about even. I think I'd give Hulk the edge because he's the hero, with respect to the villainous classic Juggernaut, and Juggernaut has shown he has his limits. (Savage) Hulk might have his limits (writers haven't depicted a battle where this is clear). Until such time -- again, they're just about even -- I think Hulk would get angry to the level of War Hulk and eventually knock him out. For sure, it would be a lengthy battle.

Oh, and to those who still don't believe juggy has his limits, Onslaught did knock him from canada to new jersey.

Personally, I'd like to see classic jug battle apoc, silver surfer, thanos, and dark phoenix, respectively.

 

[slipalong]

Darth Coolius came up with the best ever design for Juggy