Comics The Ultimate X-MEN Thread

Anyone else love that moment in Ultimates 2 #2 where Professor X and Banner meet in his mind before he gets the death sentence?It's such a classic moment and well written.Millar is my favorite writer right now.

In my opinion,Bendis uses alot of corny dialogue,but the stories are great in USM.Check out Ultimate Omega Red's opening lines in the preview for USM #86 if you don't believe me about the dialogue part.
 
GNR4Life said:
I always found Apoc lame for some reason.He's just that villain who wants to rule the world *yawn*

It's a comic what do you expect?

I think Apocalypse is interesting due to his extreme belief in survival of the fittest. Like in the AOA book where he changes America's slogan to "give me your tired, your poor, so that I may crush them for their weakness."
 
hulkamania85 said:
It's a comic what do you expect?

I think Apocalypse is interesting due to his extreme belief in survival of the fittest. Like in the AOA book where he changes America's slogan to "give me your tired, your poor, so that I may crush them for their weakness."

Hence the reason I only read select stories.Guys like Magneto are good villains because they actually have an ideal or a goal.And the scary thing is that he could be right.Guys like Apocalypse are just lame.
 
GNR4Life said:
Hence the reason I only read select stories.Guys like Magneto are good villains because they actually have an ideal or a goal.And the scary thing is that he could be right.Guys like Apocalypse are just lame.

Apocalypse does have a goal. He wants to kill people who he doesn't see as "the fittest". That's pretty scary too.
 
hulkamania85 said:
Apocalypse does have a goal. He wants to kill people who he doesn't see as "the fittest". That's pretty scary too.

That's a good way of looking at it.

The UXM books need some shaking up.I want to see the following:

  • Have Xavier vanish or just do anything to get him out of the picture so we can see if the X-Men can survive without his leadership.
  • Introduce Banshee and some of the known human characters such as Val Cooper,Graydon Creed,etc.Give already introduced humans like Moira more to do.
  • Have the gov't secretly develop a group of mutants to use in worst case scenario if the X-Men ever turn.
  • Introduce villains like Pyro and Avalanche.Maybe some form of Freedom Force.
  • Give Apocalypse some sort of scary cult following very reminiscent of many secret cults such as the one lead by David Koresh.
 
Is nobody else excited for UXM #65??!!!
 
lol!:) Seriously the preview looks great, I just hope after all this planning he actually escapes from the Triskelion entirely.
 
Yea I know,if he were to just go back into prison,that would kind of have all this buildup all for nothing.
 
Hmmm, I'm liking Vaughn's run. UXM has provided decent entertainment for me, each arc, writer/artist combo, has had a different feel and gone in a different direction which means it doesn't feel stale for me. I'm sure Kirkman is going to change it up as well, but I'm looking forward to Singer's short run for a more focussed (!) feel on the title.

Personally i'd really like to see Ultimate Mimic, Ultimate Banshee and Ultimate Mastermind make an appearance. And I wouldn't mind seeing a return of Sinister and the Sentinels, (not so fussed about Psylocke).

I think i prefer Sentinels when there is an A.I core to them ie Bastion, Mastermold, Nimrod etc.

And I think i prefer Apocalypse to be a delusion of Mr Sinister's, but still a very very dangerous delusion. I'd like to see Sinister talk to himself less and maybe be a little bit more sciency and dissecty. I don't mind buff, street lurker Sinister, but I also don't see him as *Sinister*, i just see him as crazy dangerous. Someone definetely needs to inject a little bit of concentrated shadiness to Ultimate Sinister.

(P.S I'm wondering if the team will rotate much, there is so many characters already established and way too much to be explored in one book given that we just met Havok, Polaris, Cannonball, Forge etc.. Is there a core Ultimate Team that should never be removed from the book? X-men that should never truly be shunted to the background and should always be evolving as characters? Would people get bored if it was always Jean, Cyclops, Collosus, Wolverine and Storm? Are Nightcrawler, Kitty and Iceman neglected Characters? Will Kitty get more exploration in USM? Are Angel and Dazzler really needed? Ok i'll stop now.)
 
GreatWhiteWhale said:
(P.S I'm wondering if the team will rotate much, there is so many characters already established and way too much to be explored in one book given that we just met Havok, Polaris, Cannonball, Forge etc.. Is there a core Ultimate Team that should never be removed from the book? X-men that should never truly be shunted to the background and should always be evolving as characters? Would people get bored if it was always Jean, Cyclops, Collosus, Wolverine and Storm? Are Nightcrawler, Kitty and Iceman neglected Characters? Will Kitty get more exploration in USM? Are Angel and Dazzler really needed? Ok i'll stop now.)

I would guess that if the Academy of Tommorow kids stick around, they'll probably get their own book. The X-Men team will probably have some rotation within the team, with characters leaving/dying and new characters coming in.
 
sun_down said:
I would guess that if the Academy of Tommorow kids stick around, they'll probably get their own book. The X-Men team will probably have some rotation within the team, with characters leaving/dying and new characters coming in.

Yeah that's what I thought.

although i doubt Emma's kids will get their own book, Quesadas been very serious about keeping only four Ultimate titles around.

Maybe some kind of miniseries spinoff another couple of arcs down the line, but I don't think much else.
 
Anyone else forsee Havok and Lorna somehow joining Magneto?

I can sure as hell bet ya that Longshot will join him for sure,I have a hunch!
 
Are Dazzler and Angel really needed, Greatwhite? Dazzler's one of the best characters in that book! She has the best lines in almost every issue (even if she barely gets a panel here and there) and I love her sarcasm. Besides, there has to be a black sheep among Xavier's flock ...

I think Shadowcat and Iceman are unnecessary, though ...

And if they were to rotate the characters, I'd like to see some of the mainstays leave ... I've had too much of Jean and Cyclops being exactly the same characters no matter what alternate reality storyline or universe they're in.
 
I think Vaughn has set up a lot of 'possibilities' with these characters that might be picked up by Kirkman, but likely won't get any more exploration until whoever picks it up after singer (it's been said that singer has had a rough plan of his arc for a while now).

Vaughn set up Forge as having a possible 'crisis of conscience' somewhere down the line, and Longshot is a likely candidate for a Magneto groupie.

I can't see Havok and Polaris joining magneto judging by their respective reactions to him (obviously he wants them to join him, but he pretty much wants ANY mutant to join him), but I can't really see them joining the X-Men either.

Vaugh also set up Mystique as perhaps not being so devoted to Magneto, but being scorned and spiteful towards Xavier, and possibly not beyond redemption also.

Who knows what threads the next writers will pick up? At least we now know that Collosus is Gay, not that that really has had any effect on the storlines AT ALL though.

Personally, I'm haning out for the debuts of Ultimate Maggot, Ultimate Adam X, and Ultimate Lila Cheney. They would be great additions to the ever evolving plot.
 
GreatWhiteWhale said:
Vaughn set up Forge as having a possible 'crisis of conscience' somewhere down the line, and Longshot is a likely candidate for a Magneto groupie.

I can't see Havok and Polaris joining magneto judging by their respective reactions to him (obviously he wants them to join him, but he pretty much wants ANY mutant to join him), but I can't really see them joining the X-Men either.

Vaugh also set up Mystique as perhaps not being so devoted to Magneto, but being scorned and spiteful towards Xavier, and possibly not beyond redemption also.

Couple things.

If anything Forge just seems a bit unaware of the big plan Magneto has mapped out,I don't see this crisis of conscience you are talking about anywhere in his character.

Longshot would be an awesome addition to the Brotherhood as I said before.Havok and Polaris joing Mags seems like a longshot(no pun intended) just because he's already used lethal force against the both of them (the chair with Lorna,and in the previews for 65 Mags grabs Havok by the throat) and that doesn't seem like a nice way to convince people to take your side.

Mystique not devoted to Magneto???What??In issue 64,it's pretty clear Magneto and Mystique have a very strong rel'p going on.And if breaking out an extremist out of jail isn't "devoted",then I don't know what is.
 
True.
Although what I meant was that Forge is a little big morally ambiguous, I don't think he has ever been painted as a 'Villain'. I think there is room for moral swing with him

I think with Mystique there is space for her to be something a little bit more than just support for Magneto. In 64 Mags says something like 'I sometimes wonder if you're with me out of support for me, or out of mutual hatred for Xavier'.
Yes she is a villain, but I think vaughn left room for her own Agenda that isn't necessarily the same as Magneto's.
Also Xavier and Mystique obviously have an interesting history, I hope this gets explored somewhere down the track.
 
I was in my store last week and made an interesting observation.In the new books section,Ultimate X-Men is always nowhere to be found.If you're lucky,you'll find 1 or 2 copies of the recent issue.It's because so many people,including myself,have been suscribing to the title.However,with the Astonishing books,issues 6 all the way to 12 are still taking up lots of space.There must be at least 12 copies of each issue which haven't been touched.The guy who works there said Astonishing hasn't been a real winner at the store with not alot of people buying the book or even suscribing to it.Which makes me wonder,what was up with all the hype around this book?I'm glad I didn't get sucked into the hype surrounding Astonishing.

Breakworld?Ord?No thanks.
 
They're about to miss a gigantic opportunity. Currently in Ultimate X-Men, they have alluded to retelling what has become the quintessential X-Men story, The Dark Phoenix Saga. Instead of going the familiar route that fans have come to expect, now is the time to veer off into uncharted territory.

In the past, Marvel harbored no qualms about addressing pertinent topics, especially those relating to teenagers. An epidemic now looms over teens and claims fifteen percent of the nations teenage girls. This woe of society is teen pregnancy. Marvel needs to step up to the plate and tell a responsible story about the effects of children having children. And it would have the most impact if the vehicle for that story was an interregnal character, Ultimate Jean Grey. This is a story of true drama and suspense. It’s not about Sentinels attacking the Mansion or Magneto latest megalomaniac scheme. It is a sincere human story about a girl who happens to be a mutant and how her life is forever changed when she happens to become pregnant.

At the conclusion of a story arc, Jean and Scott share a post coital conversation. Jean becomes less and less interested in Scott’s pillow talk and increasingly distressed. She turns to Scott and in a dramatic moment, she says, as much to her as him, “I’m pregnant?” The two conspire to keep this from the rest of the team, and after much debate, Scott finally convinces Jean to have an abortion. Scott drives her to the clinic and drops her off. As the rest of the team are off on a mission of global importance, Jean sits alone making a personal decision. For an entire issue, she impatiently waits as she gets registered, frets in the waiting room and is finally called back to meet the doctor. She undresses and puts on the gown and sits in the stirrups as the doctor prepares for the procedure. Suddenly, from her belly comes a faint voice, projected via thought saying “mommy”.

Mind you, this is not a pro-life or pro-choice story, but a pro Jean’s choice. This is not saying that all embryos have the ability to think, just this one, this mutant, this Rachel. Jean decides to have her baby. And Scott, responsible Scott, makes the decision that many teenage daddies make, and he splits.

Think of the possibilities. We follow Jean and baby Rachel as she carries her full term. As a telekinetic, she can float around upside down when her back and feet ache. As a telepath, she is in constant communication with the child that grows inside her. We even have the chance to play with the psychological question of the nature of thought. Can we have thought without words and language? Every parent has looked into their baby’s eyes and wondered what’s going on behind them. We have a glorious opportunity to show what babies are thinking and how they process information. We also have an opportunity address the theme of motherhood, the bond of mother and child and Stan Lee's favorite theme of responsibility as we follow Jean through this tumultuous transition from adolescence into womanhood. And we have the grand opportunity to seize headlines of the national media and appeal to the huge demographic of preteen and teenage girls. Ultimate X-Men already has a huge female fan base, and this story will be sure to increase it exponentially while captivating the male audience as well.
 
Killgore said:
They're about to miss a gigantic opportunity. Currently in Ultimate X-Men, they have alluded to retelling what has become the quintessential X-Men story, The Dark Phoenix Saga. Instead of going the familiar route that fans have come to expect, now is the time to veer off into uncharted territory.

In the past, Marvel harbored no qualms about addressing pertinent topics, especially those relating to teenagers. An epidemic now looms over teens and claims fifteen percent of the nations teenage girls. This woe of society is teen pregnancy. Marvel needs to step up to the plate and tell a responsible story about the effects of children having children. And it would have the most impact if the vehicle for that story was an interregnal character, Ultimate Jean Grey. This is a story of true drama and suspense. It’s not about Sentinels attacking the Mansion or Magneto latest megalomaniac scheme. It is a sincere human story about a girl who happens to be a mutant and how her life is forever changed when she happens to become pregnant.

At the conclusion of a story arc, Jean and Scott share a post coital conversation. Jean becomes less and less interested in Scott’s pillow talk and increasingly distressed. She turns to Scott and in a dramatic moment, she says, as much to her as him, “I’m pregnant?” The two conspire to keep this from the rest of the team, and after much debate, Scott finally convinces Jean to have an abortion. Scott drives her to the clinic and drops her off. As the rest of the team are off on a mission of global importance, Jean sits alone making a personal decision. For an entire issue, she impatiently waits as she gets registered, frets in the waiting room and is finally called back to meet the doctor. She undresses and puts on the gown and sits in the stirrups as the doctor prepares for the procedure. Suddenly, from her belly comes a faint voice, projected via thought saying “mommy”.

Mind you, this is not a pro-life or pro-choice story, but a pro Jean’s choice. This is not saying that all embryos have the ability to think, just this one, this mutant, this Rachel. Jean decides to have her baby. And Scott, responsible Scott, makes the decision that many teenage daddies make, and he splits.

Think of the possibilities. We follow Jean and baby Rachel as she carries her full term. As a telekinetic, she can float around upside down when her back and feet ache. As a telepath, she is in constant communication with the child that grows inside her. We even have the chance to play with the psychological question of the nature of thought. Can we have thought without words and language? Every parent has looked into their baby’s eyes and wondered what’s going on behind them. We have a glorious opportunity to show what babies are thinking and how they process information. We also have an opportunity address the theme of motherhood, the bond of mother and child and Stan Lee's favorite theme of responsibility as we follow Jean through this tumultuous transition from adolescence into womanhood. And we have the grand opportunity to seize headlines of the national media and appeal to the huge demographic of preteen and teenage girls. Ultimate X-Men already has a huge female fan base, and this story will be sure to increase it exponentially while captivating the male audience as well.

If they are going this direction, it seems to be a better choice than retelling the dark phoenix saga. It can wait because I think the Ult Universe needs to continue going against what you think will happen.
 

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