Superman Returns The vague sequel may have hurt the film

[Catman]

One of my friends FINALLY saw the film over the weekend. He said he didn't like it cause he was lost most of the time. It has been MANY years since he's seen the Chris Reeve films so he was lost. He didn't know why Luthor was in jail or when Superman and Lois had sex.

I explained it to him and tried to make him remember, but afterwards he was still like, "they should have started from scratch."

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

One of my friends FINALLY saw the film over the weekend. He said he didn't like it cause he was lost most of the time. It has been MANY years since he's seen the Chris Reeve films so he was lost. He didn't know why Luthor was in jail or when Superman and Lois had sex.

I explained it to him and tried to make him remember, but afterwards he was still like, "they should have started from scratch."

Obviously I don't have hardcore proof, but I think that it did.

 

[Frodo]

Even though we all know Superman's myth people still like to see his whole origin story retold . That's what the appeal of SV is . I think Abrams had the right idea to do a origin story although I didn't like his spin on the story.

 

[Mr. Thing]

I don't think Abrams script was an origin. Didn't it open with Superman fighting Ty-Zor?

 

[Alonsovich]

I don't think Abrams script was an origin. Didn't it open with Superman fighting Ty-Zor?

It was an origin. It opened with the ending fight... but it was all done in flashback.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Well the huge plotholes didn't help at all. It's just not a film that's good enough to forgive the flaws. They didn't have to redo the origin. A vague sequel would have worked with better writing and a more modern setting with more post-crisis sensibilities.

 

[Catman]

Even though we all know Superman's myth people still like to see his whole origin story retold . That's what the appeal of SV is . I think Abrams had the right idea to do a origin story although I didn't like his spin on the story.

I don't know if people really like to have the whole origin retold, but I think people would have appreciated a film they could see without watching the first two beforehand. It has been almost 30 years.

 

[Rob-el]

I didn't have a problem when the whole "vaugue" notion was first put forth by Singer but let's face it - there was nothing vague about this - this was a direct sequel. It still could have worked using the Donner universe Superman but the story need to be more stand alone (amongst other things). I still think this was a good movie , just not a great movie and I can see where the general public may not have attached itself to it which is unfortunate.

 

[LongshotRules]

If Singer wanted to do a sequel to SII he should have some flashback scenes (or recreate it with current cast) at the beginning so the audience can be up to date. A lot of people either have not seen SII or forgotten about them and as a result SR lost a lot of appeal to them. Kids could cared less they just want action action action but sadly SR also lacks in that department. I am pretty sure when DVD comes out it won't sell more than PotC2 or even X3 cuz those films appeal more to kids and teens and it'll be fanboys and older people who remembers Donner films that will buy it. Many people I know say they have no interest to see SR again and WB may lose more money because of it.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

It was an origin. It opened with the ending fight... but it was all done in flashback.

looking back at alias, lost, and MI3, this seems to be quite an abrams habit

10-1 says his star trek reboot opens with the enterprise on red alert in the middle of a battle

 

[Dr. Fate]

If Singer wanted to do a sequel to SII he should have some flashback scenes (or recreate it with current cast) at the beginning so the audience can be up to date. A lot of people either have not seen SII or forgotten about them and as a result SR lost a lot of appeal to them. Kids could cared less they just want action action action but sadly SR also lacks in that department. I am pretty sure when DVD comes out it won't sell more than PotC2 or even X3 cuz those films appeal more to kids and teens and it'll be fanboys and older people who remembers Donner films that will buy it. Many people I know say they have no interest to see SR again and WB may lose more money because of it.

Sucks to Warner Brothers. I think it was a mistake to try building off the older films instead of doing a new film with a new storyline, but it was also a stupid idea on the part of Warner Brothers to send SR up against the Pirates of the Caribbean sequel. They should have either released in June or waited for a Thanksgiving/Christmas release.

 

[nogster]

well i wouldnt thought it wouldve mattered what film SR went up against at the box offce.
its superman returning. the most known superhero in the world.
i mean, everyone from toddlers to seniors know who superman is. this film shouldve and was expected to pull a POTC2.
but the film wasnt good enough really. i think the filmmakers missed the boat.
a psueodo sequel/remake with a silly plot, a pianoboy, heavy religious leanings with chick flick marketing. does not make a succesfull superman return at the boxoffice.
a missed oppurtunity.

people should be saying. it was a bad move by WB to release POTC2 around the same time as SR. not vice versa.

 

[DavidTyler]

A lot of things hurt this film .. the Donner homage was only a part of it.

 

[Shawn_Short]

Of course it hurt the film, anyone who thinks otherwise is a wanker.

 

[Superfreak]

nope, it will all make sense when donner releases his SII

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

nope, it will all make sense when donner releases his SII

Actually a lot of the Donner cut contradicts Superman Returns.

 

[Superfreak]

or does it?

 

[Bale]

One of my friends FINALLY saw the film over the weekend. He said he didn't like it cause he was lost most of the time. It has been MANY years since he's seen the Chris Reeve films so he was lost. He didn't know why Luthor was in jail or when Superman and Lois had sex.

I explained it to him and tried to make him remember, but afterwards he was still like, "they should have started from scratch."

Thats true, one of many **** things Singer did.

No one remembers the OLD storyline by Donner and Lester, NO ONE.... except Superman Hardcore Fans and not even all of them remember it.

What did Singer ? He thought everybody (12 year olds-80 year olds) are gonna have a look at Superman 1 and 2 by Donner and Lester ?
No damn one human remembers the old movies.

A new,fresh,powerful START and Singer dismissed it, cause he got NO plan what Superman is.
Superman is not a Soap Opera Star,Lover,whinging softcock whos nearly in tears about LOIS damn Lane and of course he is not a STALKER who tries 2 stear at inner family LIFE of Lois Lane and her boyfriend and he is not a beer Drinker at Bibbo Bibovskis Bar.

 

[Galactical]

Vague sequel... sure it's a little, nay, very confusing for those not knowing whether to believe this film's following the original or what. more than that I think, Lex and his silly gooftroop, who are already billionares, for some crazy reason want to be trillionares I guess, superman and superson (most obvious plot twist i've ever seen), and some poorly made editing decisions hurt the film like a good left hook. And it took itself a little too seriously for my tastes. either that or it was too gritty and dark.

 

[Im Ron Burgundy]

Thats true, one of many **** things Singer did.

No one remembers the OLD storyline by Donner and Lester, NO ONE.... except Superman Hardcore Fans and not even all of them remember it.

All you need to remember in this film was the origin. There was nothing in this movie that required you to remember the previous films. It is your opinion that Jason was conceived in Superman II. But nowhere does it say this is true.

It was set in the same universe as the previous films, but that was just to establish itself as being part of a story, also it allowed older people who could remember it to enjoy it.

 

[The Kid]

It hurts a few things. Brando's back in this as the one actor from the old movies to reprise his role so it's in some sort of continuity to the non-fanboy public. They must think this follows up stm or one of them. But things have changed a lot, the fortress looks different, the daily planet's different, lois has de-aged, kryptonite's effects are different, so some people who did remember the old films were probably a little confused. Even batman begins is still viewed as a prequel to the older batfilms even though it's supposed to have its own new continuity. That's why i think many were probably wondering why ms teschmacher was being called kitty and when superman and lois could have slept together, why he'd leave her after that, how lois could hook up with richard and sleep with him soon after...why's lex pleasuring some old woman, why's young clark wearing glasses etc... it's a lot to have to try to understand.

 

[Gabroni]

Thats true, one of many **** things Singer did.

No one remembers the OLD storyline by Donner and Lester, NO ONE.... except Superman Hardcore Fans and not even all of them remember it.

What did Singer ? He thought everybody (12 year olds-80 year olds) are gonna have a look at Superman 1 and 2 by Donner and Lester ?
No damn one human remembers the old movies.

A new,fresh,powerful START and Singer dismissed it, cause he got NO plan what Superman is.
Superman is not a Soap Opera Star,Lover,whinging softcock whos nearly in tears about LOIS damn Lane and of course he is not a STALKER who tries 2 stear at inner family LIFE of Lois Lane and her boyfriend and he is not a beer Drinker at Bibbo Bibovskis Bar.

I think the whole 'stalker' thing is bogus; he intruded upon Lois' home life just ONCE to try and gauge where things stood. You could still say it was inappropriate, but isn't repeated offenses, and obsessive behavior required for one to qualify as a stalker? In the end, he let her go; something stalker's usually don't do w/o a restraining order.


Otherwise I agree with you in that they should have started over like they did with Batman Begins. I mean, first of all, Superman 2 isn't that good and had too many awful parts to justify using it as part of the 'vague' history. And of course the decision to continue on from the first two resulted in a total disregard for the vastly superior incarnations of Lex Luthor that began with John Byrne in the mid 80s. Its a shame that the general public has never gotten a good film version of Lex Luthor.

They should have just adapted that mid/late-90s animated show to the big screen.

 

[Bale]

I think the whole 'stalker' thing is bogus; he intruded upon Lois' home life just ONCE to try and gauge where things stood. You could still say it was inappropriate, but isn't repeated offenses, and obsessive behavior required for one to qualify as a stalker? In the end, he let her go; something stalker's usually don't do w/o a restraining order.


Otherwise I agree with you in that they should have started over like they did with Batman Begins. I mean, first of all, Superman 2 isn't that good and had too many awful parts to justify using it as part of the 'vague' history. And of course the decision to continue on from the first two resulted in a total disregard for the vastly superior incarnations of Lex Luthor that began with John Byrne in the mid 80s. Its a shame that the general public has never gotten a good film version of Lex Luthor.

They should have just adapted that mid/late-90s animated show to the big screen.

Oh man I feel so sorry for all the Superman FANs.
I am not a half crippled comic book geek with a fat belly, but I am reading all those fine storys for years (since 1983) and John Byrnes interpretation blows my mind. Remember the Man of Steel mini-series.

Where is the John Byrne Luthor, the hard boiled business MAN ?

Thats Luthor for the new times, not a guy you can laugh about, especially bout his ***** doll Porker Posey and his stupid henchman kickin Superman for nothing, my heart was bleeding as I watched stupid guys kickin Superman like a Kid. If it was Darkseid,Metallo,Brainiac or someone else, but this ?

Look, everybody is exciting about the Batman Begins sequel: Who is the Joker, who will be in ? etc... The people are excited, they are waiting for something new , the sequel will bomb the Box office.

Who is exactly excited about a Superman Returns sequel ?
WB should THINK good about the sequel.

Did you ever think that Batman Begins blows Superman Returns ?
Never ever. Superman is an icon and with a better NEW story- better action sequences, it should have been near Spider Man and not near the Fantastic 4 or below Batman Begins.

 

[buggs0268]

It hurts a few things. Brando's back in this as the one actor from the old movies to reprise his role so it's in some sort of continuity to the non-fanboy public. They must think this follows up stm or one of them. But things have changed a lot, the fortress looks different, the daily planet's different, lois has de-aged, kryptonite's effects are different, so some people who did remember the old films were probably a little confused. Even batman begins is still viewed as a prequel to the older batfilms even though it's supposed to have its own new continuity. That's why i think many were probably wondering why ms teschmacher was being called kitty and when superman and lois could have slept together, why he'd leave her after that, how lois could hook up with richard and sleep with him soon after...why's lex pleasuring some old woman, why's young clark wearing glasses etc... it's a lot to have to try to understand.

I think the only vague sequel thing in this should have been the FOS and the music. Other than that, if it is going to be a sequel, which we now know it is, then give us a recap like Lester's S2 did in the opening credits. Also the fact that he felt he had to regurgitate everything is what gets me. I mean the land scheme, never mind that it made no sense, was stupid. This should have been about revenge. The fact is it shold not have been a sequel to Supes 2. I have no problem with Brando being Jor El. The music and FOS, and a minor update of the suit was all that should have been but a newer story.

 

[The Game]

Oh man I feel so sorry for all the Superman FANs.
I am not a half crippled comic book geek with a fat belly, but I am reading all those fine storys for years (since 1983) and John Byrnes interpretation blows my mind. Remember the Man of Steel mini-series.

Where is the John Byrne Luthor, the hard boiled business MAN ?

Thats Luthor for the new times, not a guy you can laugh about, especially bout his ***** doll Porker Posey and his stupid henchman kickin Superman for nothing, my heart was bleeding as I watched stupid guys kickin Superman like a Kid. If it was Darkseid,Metallo,Brainiac or someone else, but this ?

Look, everybody is exciting about the Batman Begins sequel: Who is the Joker, who will be in ? etc... The people are excited, they are waiting for something new , the sequel will bomb the Box office.

Who is exactly excited about a Superman Returns sequel ?
WB should THINK good about the sequel.

Did you ever think that Batman Begins blows Superman Returns ?
Never ever. Superman is an icon and with a better NEW story- better action sequences, it should have been near Spider Man and not near the Fantastic 4 or below Batman Begins.

Co-sign, people are going coco-loco about Spiderman 3 and the new Batman, and its sad that SR never quite got that level of anticipation with the masses