The Watcher: Yay Or Nay?

Kirk Langstrom

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Ok, so we know Silver Surfer is appearing in the movie, and so, can Galactus be far behind?

If that's the case, how do you feel about The Watcher showing up to warn the team of the impending disaster and sending Johnny to fetch The Ultimate Nullifier?

Cool idea, or too "over the top"?

I honestly cant decide, so i want to read a few opinions before i vote...
 
Why not? This movie has all ready gone down the gutter as far as I'm concerned. Some things just don't work in live action films.
 
Nay is winning with a 100%

my one vote lol.
 
you cant have SS without Galactus...you cant have Galactus without The Watcher, it would be worse than what they did with Doom.

paco
 
CaptainStacy said:
If that's the case, how do you feel about The Watcher showing up to warn the team of the impending disaster and sending Johnny to fetch The Ultimate Nullifier?


I voted "yay" for the Watcher, but I want him to show up and warn the FF of the impending crisis, not solve it for them.

The Surfer is fine as is, but Galactus needs a major overhaul. Start with "eats planets," and work from there. That magenta helmet has to go!
 
Obi-Ron said:
I voted "yay" for the Watcher, but I want him to show up and warn the FF of the impending crisis, not solve it for them.

The Surfer is fine as is, but Galactus needs a major overhaul. Start with "eats planets," and work from there. That magenta helmet has to go!

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8913672#post8913672

Posted this a bit ago. This is how I would do the whole, SS, Galactus, Watcher thing.
 
Either is fine....
 
I voted yes, but I'm not sure. At some point we need to understand a little about what Galactus is . . . but Silver Surfer could also perform that function.

I like the way it worked in the comics - with them meeting the Watcher in issue 13 so we knew who/what he was by the time Galactus shows up. They couldn't really do that the same way . . . thought they could start this film showing a brief clip of them meeting him before jumping ahead a few years.

One thing I do hope: I hope they find a more interesting way to end it. The ultimate nullifier never really worked for me. I wouldn't mind seeing them tie the Surfer more intimately with the ending.
 
I voted yes, for the following reasons;

1) Watcher can show up and explain who/what Galactus AND the Surfer are...

2) Cool scenes with The Watcher trying to "hide" Earth from the Surfer (asteroid field, fire storm)...

3) Another cool, classic Marvel character gets the silver screen treatment. 'nuff said!
 
I didn't vote because there wasn't a *doesn't matter to me*....I would be fine with him in the movie.....I'm just afraid that we are beginning to overflow with characters here, and I want it to be a Fantastic Four Movie....My hope is that most of what we are talking about is pure speculation, but I'm beginning to worry a bit.
 
JMAfan said:
I didn't vote because there wasn't a *doesn't matter to me*....I would be fine with him in the movie.....I'm just afraid that we are beginning to overflow with characters here, and I want it to be a Fantastic Four Movie....My hope is that most of what we are talking about is pure speculation, but I'm beginning to worry a bit.

All it would take is 2 minutes at the end of the movie. Pan to the galaxy and see the Surfer flying on his surfboard, and film a scene with the Watchers warning. It's not that complicated. It's not rocket science here.
 
Carp Man said:
All it would take is 2 minutes at the end of the movie. Pan to the galaxy and see the Surfer flying on his surfboard, and film a scene with the Watchers warning. It's not that complicated. It's not rocket science here.

But are you still assuming the Surfer will only be a minor reference? Based on the comments we've been getting, I'm assuming we're going to get something like the follwing:

Surfer shows up possibly with some connection to the cloud from the first film or Doom or Franklin. The FF spend some time battling him before realizing the real threat is Galactus and then they battle and, somehow, defeat him. I'm assuming Galactus is the "other" villain.

While I'd love to see a well planned trilogy in which Galactus is the final act, I don't think that's likely at this point, and I'm betting we'll get full Galactus in this film.

Here's Avi's Quote:

Regarding Galactus: "They'll be some pretty big surprises. What we're trying to do is not to show him, but to show someone else, initially."

I'm assuming the "someone else" is the Surfer.

And then Jessica's quote:

"We start 'Fantastic Four 2' in August," said Alba. "The four of us learn that there are other people out there with superpowers, and the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well. My character, Susan Storm, has another love triangle and may use a power people haven't seen before. She's the most powerful of the four."

The "other people with superpowers" could be a quick summary at the beginning to show that they've been learning, battling and growing over the years, or it could just refer to the Silver Surfer and Galactus (remember Jessica isn't really a huge comics fan, so she could just be using that as a quick way of referencing the Surfer, Galactus and maybe even the Watcher).

The Silver Surfer, as we know, is a villain/hero in the original story, and of course the "other villain" would also fit the original Galactus story.

I'm hoping that Franklin is the "love triangle".

It all seems to fit very nicely with a faithful telling of the Galactus story.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
But are you still assuming the Surfer will only be a minor reference? Based on the comments we've been getting, I'm assuming we're going to get something like the follwing:

Surfer shows up possibly with some connection to the cloud from the first film or Doom or Franklin. The FF spend some time battling him before realizing the real threat is Galactus and then they battle and, somehow, defeat him. I'm assuming Galactus is the "other" villain.

While I'd love to see a well planned trilogy in which Galactus is the final act, I don't think that's likely at this point, and I'm betting we'll get full Galactus in this film.

Here's Avi's Quote:

Regarding Galactus: "They'll be some pretty big surprises. What we're trying to do is not to show him, but to show someone else, initially."

I'm assuming the "someone else" is the Surfer.

And then Jessica's quote:

"We start 'Fantastic Four 2' in August," said Alba. "The four of us learn that there are other people out there with superpowers, and the Silver Surfer appears as a villain/hero. And another villain comes in as well. My character, Susan Storm, has another love triangle and may use a power people haven't seen before. She's the most powerful of the four."

The "other people with superpowers" could be a quick summary at the beginning to show that they've been learning, battling and growing over the years, or it could just refer to the Silver Surfer and Galactus (remember Jessica isn't really a huge comics fan, so she could just be using that as a quick way of referencing the Surfer, Galactus and maybe even the Watcher).

The Silver Surfer, as we know, is a villain/hero in the original story, and of course the "other villain" would also fit the original Galactus story.

I'm hoping that Franklin is the "love triangle".

It all seems to fit very nicely with a faithful telling of the Galactus story.

So where does that leave Dr. Doom ? In limbo ?
 
Carp Man said:
So where does that leave Dr. Doom ? In limbo ?

I'm hoping that hey will show him being revived by monks/Boris and taking over Latveria and maybe having some involvement with this, but I wouldn't be completely surprised if we don't see/hear anything from him.

Tim S. had originally said he would be back, but that was before we started hearing about the Silver Surfer. I have a feeling the original plan may have been to feature Doom, but that changed when they went to SS.

I do hope they at least show us something even if it's only 5 minutes and not tied to the main story.
 
Willie Lumpkin said:
I do hope they at least show us something even if it's only 5 minutes and not tied to the main story.

And that in my opinion would be a travasity. They should finish Doom 1st, have Surfer, and or Galactus at the end, then bring them on for the 3rd. But they haven't asked my opinion yet, sooooooooooo we'll have to wait and see. There is unfinished business with Doom. And I don't think Jullian would be content, and Fox would pay him what their going to pay him to be window dressing.
 
I'm not sure I feel comfortable with them touching the Watcher in this film. They have enough to deal with without taking it there. So I say no. :cool: Focus all attention on fixing Dr. Doom.
 
Meh. Here's my attitude regarding Fox and Doom;

Fox HAD it's chance with Doom, and they flubbed it. They shouldnt penalize the fans OR the other characters by trying to stuff Doom into a movie just so they can feel good about trying to "fix Doom" in the midst of telling other character's stories.

It's either Galactus/Surfer, OR Doom, but there's not room enough for both imo.
 
CaptainStacy said:
Meh. Here's my attitude regarding Fox and Doom;

Fox HAD it's chance with Doom, and they flubbed it. They shouldnt penalize the fans OR the other characters by trying to stuff Doom into a movie just so they can feel good about trying to "fix Doom" in the midst of telling other character's stories.

It's either Galactus/Surfer, OR Doom, but there's not room enough for both imo.

They are not going to pay Jullian to be a minor player. If they do then so be it. But as tight wad as Fox is. I don't know.
 
As tight as Fox is, why hire Julian back at all? Even if Doom is somehow involved, at THIS point, they could hire someone a lot cheaper, some unknown actor trying to break into the business, as they never have to worry about showing Julian's face again.
 
CaptainStacy said:
Meh. Here's my attitude regarding Fox and Doom;

Fox HAD it's chance with Doom, and they flubbed it. They shouldnt penalize the fans OR the other characters by trying to stuff Doom into a movie just so they can feel good about trying to "fix Doom" in the midst of telling other character's stories.

Aye, but that's my whole point: Since they were so successful in royally screwing up Doom the first time, do we really want to see what they'll do with a hackneyed Watcher now? They'll make him look like a M.A.D. spoof! :down:mad:

I say 'hands off' to anything else. Work on what they have...don't touch other relished characters in the staple.
 
I'm not sure Uatu would fit into the movieverse.
 
Kritish said:
Why not? This movie has all ready gone down the gutter as far as I'm concerned. Some things just don't work in live action films.

:rolleyes: Like I said, it's gonna be a looong 12 months.

I think the Watcher should appear only to Reed at first...Can't you just see Reed walking out of the lab, stunned? Trying to convey what he's just seen? The Watcher's warning could be more cryptic than specific, since this is the first time they'll be meeting him. He'd already appeared several times in the comic by the time Galactus came along.
The Watcher can be as simple as a bright glowing light with a giant face inside; that's sorta the way they portrayed him way back when. He certainly doesn't have to be a continual presence in the film. He should appear to be trying to keep that vow of non-interference.
 
Lightning Strikez! said:
Aye, but that's my whole point: Since they were so successful in royally screwing up Doom the first time, do we really want to see what they'll do with a hackneyed Watcher now? They'll make him look like a M.A.D. spoof! :down:mad:

I say 'hands off' to anything else. Work on what they have...don't touch other relished characters in the staple.

Nah, they can do him justice.
I'm just saying that maybe he should be a plot device...Keep his part brief and functional.
I don't think anybody expects to see Galactus & Watcher facing each other as they tower over Manhattan.
 
Malus said:
I don't think anybody expects to see Galactus & Watcher facing each other as they tower over Manhattan.

I do. That was one of the best and most important parts of the original story. Important in that it helped establish who and what both of them are, and their "relationship" towards one another.

I think it's essential that Galactus isnt portrayed as "evil", per se, just as a force of nature, not unlike a hurricane of tsunami...
 
I think it sounds like we are making this movie, way too big for its britches. As my mother would say.
 

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