The "we're sorry, Brett" thread...

[Radagast_Prime]

I'm not a "Singer loyalist" and I'm not a fan of Superman. I'm not saying X3 isn't a success but it is a success for all the wrong reasons.

And I say this is a useless thread because it really has no purpose being in an X-Men 3 Forum. People saying/or not saying apologies to a director(who happened to direct an X-Men movie) who most probably doesn't even know this forum exists is a waste of space.

 

[skruloos]

I wish all the Singer loyalist would take an exodus to the Superman Returns forums and leave us alone here to celebrate the success of X3.

So you can live in denial? Are you really that afraid of criticism?

 

[S_H_F_4839]

I still say Ratner did the best he could with what he was given to work with, I mean the studio nto giving him the time was one of the biggest factors for me, not to mention that we got two of the awfulest script writers ever in my opinion for this film.

 

[blind_fury]

So you can live in denial? Are you really that afraid of criticism?

deny what? That X3 was better than X1? That's the biggest case of denial around here.

I'm not afraid of criticism but the mindless bashing of Ratner is rather annoying.

 

[skruloos]

deny what? That X3 was better than X1? That's the biggest case of denial around here.

So because you think that X3 was better than X1, everyone has to?

I'm not afraid of criticism but the mindless bashing of Ratner is rather annoying.

So people are not allowed to say they do not like what Ratner did to the X-Men franchise? I see a lot of people offering really good reasons why they thought that X3 failed in a lot of way in the storytelling. Why silence these people? Because you don't like what they have to say?

These people have seen the movie. They have every right to judge it and criticize it just as you have every right to praise it to your heart's content.

 

[greggumz]

I'm sorry but the person behind ShadowBoxing is quite possibly the biggest *****e I've ever come across.

Not everyone agrees with your opinion, I'm sure if you directed this movie you'd have all of the X-men wearing their original suites, and you'd make sure to get a couple shots of wolverines ass in there too while you were at it.

I'm sure when you walked out of X-Men The Last Stand you were planning on demanding the theater for your money back while wondering how Brett could have had Castillo go without an eye patch. OH THE TRAVISTY.

Please get over it, the movie was good, the public shows it, your views are too picky, at best. “There should be more character less action….more tight suits and Wolvy ass shots” Blah blah blah, go cry about it.

Yes that’s right, I wrote a whole post bashing ShadowBoxing and his gayness in these forums.


Once again I share with you his real life picture.

Put it as your wallpaper if you please

No Screw that I'm not done, let me present to you some of the things shadowboxing has said. If it is too much to read, I understand. I will summarize in the end of this post what all of thise adds up to.

Right. I would have enjoyed the movie had it been a little slower with more character development, maybe even then Cyclops would not have urked me much. Most of my friend hated this film, in fact almost all of them did. People who say most people liked this film don't talk to most people. Making 100 mil in a weekend doesn't make you a good film it makes you a good advertiser. Independence Day, Armageddon, The Lost World kinda all suck to be honest, but they made a lot of money. Same with the first two Star Wars prequals and people don't exactly rave about them. Truth is, after 7 pages of horrid reviews on IMDb and 53% of RT and 50% of accreditted critics panning this, most hardcore comic geeks and fans of the comic horrified with character treatment, I owe no one an apology. Certainly not for treating the Phoenix Saga this way. Ratner may have done the best he could with a downright lousy script, maybe he had little or no input at all, I don't care. The characters moved from place to place without knowing how, things were not explained or build up they just blurted out explosition, scenes had no transition, it felt about as long and as deep as the trailer (which was slightly more engaging since half the good lines in it never made the final cut). I don't owe anyone an apology for watching the greatest story ever told in comics butchered into a story about a slightly off Magneto lackey who goes off the handle in the last 30 seconds. I read every issue of Phoenix Saga. From issue 101 to issue 137. The story was painstaking crafted. We saw Jean gradually, gradually get more powerful, we saw her world collaspe and we saw things slowly turn from disconcerning to bad to worse. That was the Phoenix Saga. It was drama, it was hope, relationships, a whirlwind epic tale of love and betrayal that defined comics for a generation of readers. I watched on screen as a tale so grand so epic was reduced to a Wolverine and Storm ego stroker with chulky dialogue and a pace faster than quicksilver. For that I owe him nothing.
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As I say the minute it raises above 80% (X-Men 1 rating) on rotten tomatoes, I'll apologize...until then I told you so, he made a bad film and the rating it got I predicted.
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Revenge of the Sith (after the first 2 were 60%, it scored 82%) was the highest rated of its franchise, all the LOTR scored in the upper 90%, Harry Potter gets better reviews every installment and of course the original Star Wars as well did good across the board.
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Ah but thats why the Cream of the Crop is nicely added on your side bar. And in fact those loser critics make it a more accurate gauge. Now I know I am hearing from all angles, not just the biased fanboy angle who desperately wants his movie to be good.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Credible
i'd wager that after you came out of the theatre seeing X1 and X2 you coudn't quote any direct lines from the movies, either... but, we could argue that all day, so...
Quote from ShadowBoxing
No I could, and quiet well actually. I always did a great Magneto impression, and my Stryker is not half bad either. But no, for example Mystic River I have only seen twice. But I remember "Is that my daughter in there" and "When was the last time you saw David Boyle" and "Vampires, I was thinking about Vampires" and "Admit what you did" and "You only find love like that once" and "I couldn't even cry at her funeral, I couldn't even cry" "well you're crying now" and so on. So movies that are written well stick with you even after one showing. Look at a great movie like Batman Begins which people were quoting the next day.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Credible
it was, in a word, funner... it had (much) better action, a better story (i thought) better acting... i thought it was better than the first two put together...

what didn't i like? honestly, i can't think of too much right now that i didn't. i've never touched an X comic in my life, so i can't say whether or not the characters were treated with dignity in that respect, i can only say that they were treated better than X1 or X2 ever cared to.
Quote by ShadowBoxing
But if you have never touched an X comic you can't say that.

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Okay so basicly, uhhh, What I said above hugest toolbag I've ever come across in my life. If your read his posts he claims to be the God of all Comic readers, obvioiusly in college, and still collecting. /clap He's been collecting since the pheonix saga so he knows his X-men.

Yet his biggest argument about the movie is that it didnt' get good reviews, as he predicted. Well i think we should dedicate a thread to Shadow, maybe call it "Congratulations ShadowBoxing, you should get a cookie for predicting the reviews on the movie, and being right"

Give me a break, not all good movies get good reviews from critics. AND IF YOU READ THE REVIEWS ON YOUR BELOVED RT.COM YOU'LL SEE THAT THEIR BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS THAT IT DOSN'T HAVE THE SINGER TOUCH, NOT THAT HE SUCKS AT STORY TELLING. People are just used to Brian Singer's rendition on the X-Men in my opinion, so please quit using the movie critics as an argument, cause it's total BS.

Oh yeah, heres something I think most of us can enjoy, but i'm sure ShadowBoxing will take it as a slap to the face for making fun of the X-men



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445

 

[Octoberist]

I think Brett could do what he could of done with the movie. But he's still a Hollywood tool with a generic style.. But he's rich, so I'll give him that.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

i am sorry i gave him a chance

 

[Matt]

I never really bashed Ratner and I liked the movie, so I'll just say cheers Brett.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Ratner screwed the movie period, and as much as i want to be able to agree to disagree... i am much more apt right now to just stop coming to this site. And i know that is lame... but people supporting ratners work is making my eye twitch... saying ratner's version is better then singers is saying Joel Shuemakers (sp?) batman forever was better then batman returns! or that HALLE's Catwoman was better then Michelle Phieffers! It is just ignorant. Ratners Xmen was a hack of a job... it was a movie for 15 year olds that dont know better. The fact that i have read people saying that "RATNERS ICEMAN WAS BETTER THEN SINGERS, CAUSE SINGER'S JUST MADE ICE WALLS" is freaking ******ed... Are you tell me that you can't see that singer was setting up iceman to come to this POINT... a turning point so to speak where everything was going to change... and boy would become soldier??????? You cant see that?????? It was just like not seeing the rage in wolverine until you see what it is for. The mansion and the kids! You see his point where he doesnt play nice. And we would have had an iceman on an iceslide looking like nightcrawler in X2 in X3 and X4 (which would have been filmed back to back with singer).

We wouldnt have had cyclops killed in the begining of the movie we would have said "ok, we have cyclops for 3 days of shooting... lets bring him in for alkatraz and that is it." then again... if we had singer we would have marsden and there would have been no issues. And we wouldnt have scott killed off screen, the phoenix rising off screen, wolverine walking towards jean burning with his hair all perfect... magneto playing chess in public as one of the number one terrorist in the world.

We just would have had a solid movie... now lets be real. Ratner had a visually stunning movie... OMG it freaking rocked! And he had good source material. but he did not deliver at any end on any means! Angel flies in from no where to save his dad at alkatraz... where was he before, didnt only 6 go the island? Then what happened after? No talk? No, dad apologizing? I mean that was suppose to be an intense emmotional scene... it should have been thier BOBBY and FAMILY scene (from X2)... and it completely missed the oppurtunity... and i you can sit here read this, plus the stuff others are saying with intelligent voices and still just sit here and say "RATNER IS BETTER YOU SINGER FAN BOY!" and that is it... well, then i cant wait til school starts again cause you are obviously 14 years old and are still waiting for you first smart thought, and hoping it comes with your first pube. This arguement about Ratner vs. Singer is about as ******ed as all the stupid fabrication that came with the "DIFFERENT VERSION FOR US" thread.

that was ******ed.. i called it for being ******ed... I said to not get your hopes up and let youself down like that... and bam! i was right. This x men movie... is ****. I am only saying my opinion on this website and to my girl friend but everyday i am getting calls from people that knew that i freaking love the xmen, to see what i thought of it... and everyone of them say the same thing, "what a dissappointment". We are talking a diversity in age in my group as well... well 20-45 yrs old from texas, oklahoma, new york and michigan... and they all say they didnt care about any of the characters!

and that is directly ratners fault.

if you go to the "SCENES YOU WOULD ADD IN TO THE MOVIE" thread... i put two 45 second scenes that would completely validated certain parts of the movie with out even trying... and it is obvious that they didnt. They didnt even try. It wasnt a rushed thing... it was a complete over sight on anything but stupid fanboy inserts from ICED UP BOBBY, to I AM THE JUGGERNAUT *****, to the PHOENIX to ANGEL to BEAST, TO THE *****NG FAST BALL BULL SH** SPECIAL SUCK ASS SCENES! This movie was always going to suck... but to try to make us not see that it is horrible... they stuck lil fanboy favs in it. and some of us BIT, hook line and sinker! You are sooo caught up in you own delusions you think this movie was good cause it had stuff in it you always wanted to see but you completely miss out on the fact that it doesnt hold any weight as a MASTERPIECE- or GENUIS WORK.... it barely holds up as viewable to some of us that know the difference.

now "come on... say it....." "Phoenix, your a jerk singer fanbo--" "WRONG!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[silver_arrow]

Kudos to Ratner for a job well done. I understand he's the only one who accepted the challenge of making the movie in such a short time.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

Ratner screwed the movie period, and as much as i want to be able to agree to disagree... i am much more apt right now to just stop coming to this site. And i know that is lame... but people supporting ratners work is making my eye twitch... saying ratner's version is better then singers is saying Joel Shuemakers

I personally think Ratner is a better director than singer, and if he would have had more time and better writers the film would have been better, the same way I think that that if singer had been stuck with Penn and Kinberg it would have been worse.

We wouldnt have had cyclops killed in the begining of the movie we would have said "ok, we have cyclops for 3 days of shooting... lets bring him in for alkatraz and that is it." then again... if we had singer we would have marsden and there would have been no issues. And we wouldnt have scott killed off screen, the phoenix rising off screen, wolverine walking towards jean burning with his hair all perfect... magneto playing chess in public as one of the number one terrorist in the world.

I don't understand how you are blaming this all on ratner, he did the best he could just to get the picture finished for the release date the studio would not let go of. I know if I was in that situation I would not have been interested in the time constraints that were put on him, I mean all these mistakes that get chalked up to Ratners ignorance were largely the studio's fault, because when you rush something the works quality decreases by a significant amount.

We just would have had a solid movie... now lets be real. Ratner had a visually stunning movie... OMG it freaking rocked! And he had good source material. but he did not deliver at any end on any means! Angel flies in from no where to save his dad at alkatraz... where was he before, didnt only 6 go the island? Then what happened after? No talk? No, dad apologizing? I mean that was suppose to be an intense emmotional scene... it should have been thier BOBBY and FAMILY scene (from X2)... and it completely missed the oppurtunity... and i you can sit here read this, plus the stuff others are saying with intelligent voices and still just sit here and say "RATNER IS BETTER YOU SINGER FAN BOY!" and that is it... well, then i cant wait til school starts again cause you are obviously 14 years old and are still waiting for you first smart thought, and hoping it comes with your first pube. This arguement about Ratner vs. Singer is about as ******ed as all the stupid fabrication that came with the "DIFFERENT VERSION FOR US" thread.

I still claim that if they had gotten decent scriptwriters and given enough time the movie would have been better.

if you go to the "SCENES YOU WOULD ADD IN TO THE MOVIE" thread... i put two 45 second scenes that would completely validated certain parts of the movie with out even trying... and it is obvious that they didnt. They didnt even try. It wasnt a rushed thing... it was a complete over sight on anything but stupid fanboy inserts from ICED UP BOBBY, to I AM THE JUGGERNAUT *****, to the PHOENIX to ANGEL to BEAST, TO THE *****NG FAST BALL BULL SH** SPECIAL SUCK ASS SCENES! This movie was always going to suck... but to try to make us not see that it is horrible... they stuck lil fanboy favs in it. and some of us BIT, hook line and sinker! You are sooo caught up in you own delusions you think this movie was good cause it had stuff in it you always wanted to see but you completely miss out on the fact that it doesnt hold any weight as a MASTERPIECE- or GENUIS WORK.... it barely holds up as viewable to some of us that know the difference. now "come on... say it....." "Phoenix, your a jerk singer fanbo--" "WRONG!!!!!!!!!!"

Well I hope they bring ratner back for X4 if we get one and bring in new script writers and give him the time and he makes a movie that literally destroys all the other ones in the series by fixing all the unresolved problems of all the films up to this point. I mean fix Sabertooth, toad, bring in blob, quicksilver Scarlet witch, maybe even fix Lady Deathstrike and redeem himself. Just to see how people would react.

 

[weatherwitch]

They didnt even try. It wasnt a rushed thing... it was a complete over sight on anything but stupid fanboy inserts from ICED UP BOBBY, to I AM THE JUGGERNAUT *****, to the PHOENIX to ANGEL to BEAST, TO THE *****NG FAST BALL BULL SH** SPECIAL SUCK ASS SCENES! This movie was always going to suck... but to try to make us not see that it is horrible... they stuck lil fanboy favs in it. and some of us BIT, hook line and sinker! You are sooo caught up in you own delusions you think this movie was good cause it had stuff in it you always wanted to see but you completely miss out on the fact that it doesnt hold any weight as a MASTERPIECE- or GENUIS WORK.... it barely holds up as viewable to some of us that know the difference.

now "come on... say it....." "Phoenix, your a jerk singer fanbo--" "WRONG!!!!!!!!!!"

Dude, it's a comic book movie. Ok? It isn't meant to be Citizen Kane. It is supposed to tickle the fanboys. X3 did exactly what a comic book movie was supposed to do.

 

[DANZIGG]

Bravo Brett. For me the film did not suck I thought it was great My girlfriend liked it better that the first 2 films. I only hope you can come back and do the 4th film if only to bring back Xaiver, Cyclops & Jean (no need for Magneto as I think it should be Apocalypse)

 

[The Batman]

Brett didnt do a bad job. Everyone else did.

 

[conan69]

Exactly. Brett came to this thing when it was already in full motion ahead.He had input but as not much as he would have had he been there fromthe beginning.

Cyclops, a short choppy underdeveloped story = Rothman not Ratner.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

I personally think Ratner is a better director than singer, and if he would have had more time and better writers the film would have been better, the same way I think that that if singer had been stuck with Penn and Kinberg it would have been worse.

so you are basising this info about RATNER being better off of "RUSH HOUR" being better then X2 or the USUAL SUSPECTS? and Ratner could have changed anything like he did the whole alkatraz scene which means he did the whole GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE scene that took up 1/4 of the movies budget.... he added that last second.... so he couldnt have said "instead of having cyclops die in the begining lets have him "out doing some soul searching with nightcrawler or some ****... then have him come back in the end to save jean."

I don't understand how you are blaming this all on ratner, he did the best he could just to get the picture finished for the release date the studio would not let go of. I know if I was in that situation I would not have been interested in the time constraints that were put on him, I mean all these mistakes that get chalked up to Ratners ignorance were largely the studio's fault, because when you rush something the works quality decreases by a significant amount.

SEE REPLY ABOVE

I still claim that if they had gotten decent scriptwriters and given enough time the movie would have been better.

Singer has his own writers always working always changing and revising... maybe ratner should think about being a real director.

Well I hope they bring ratner back for X4 if we get one and bring in new script writers and give him the time and he makes a movie that literally destroys all the other ones in the series by fixing all the unresolved problems of all the films up to this point. I mean fix Sabertooth, toad, bring in blob, quicksilver Scarlet witch, maybe even fix Lady Deathstrike and redeem himself. Just to see how people would react.

scarlet witch would be ******ed in the movie... her gifts are a joke.... and i still cant believe that ratner has any support... why cant anyone explain to me where you actually gather an opinion that ratner is a good choice?

 

[Alexia Dark]

I'm certainly not apologizing for very, very justified skepticism. Especially such that ended up even worse than I could have imagined.

 

[xwolverine2]

i wish i had the mutant power to delete dumb threads.....



and magnetism,and jeans powers.......ans storms and wolvies.

and if god wants...then he can add callistos

 

[Warhammer]

Finally Brett gets some respect.
The movie wasn't terrible and he did a great job with what he had.

If you must blame somebody, blame Fox.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Dude, it's a comic book movie. Ok? It isn't meant to be Citizen Kane. It is supposed to tickle the fanboys. X3 did exactly what a comic book movie was supposed to do.

so by this reply i am guessing you were a huge fan of punisher and elektra?


cause they did what comic book movies were suppose to do and accomplish! People with your view point make me jealous... but unfortunately i see that like a good comic book... you throw in a great writer (MARK MILLAR) , a bad ass penciler (STEVE MCNIVEN), and great COLORIST and INKER on top of that- and you get a comic book called CIVIL WAR... and it isnt just a entertaining "substanceless piece of crap"! It is truely brillant when they all come together.

Same with movies... i didnt like XXX or XXX2, i hated CHARLIES ANGELS 2... cause i cant handle movies that dont try thier best! Movies that undermine our intelligence. That just throw some **** on to the screen cause they know if they hype it enough, whether it is good or not we will turn out to see it OPENING WEEKEND!

This is hollywood, and especially fox, not having a standard on what kind of GREATNESS THEY SHOOT FOR!

And apparently we shouldnt care... cause it is just a COMIC BOOK MOVIE! One... might i remind you that has been around for over 40 years that was made to deal with racism and fitting in, that has over a thousand rich characters and story lines- about love and passion and dealing with a world that hates you, but still trying to leave your mark... yes.... this is JUST A COMIC BOOK MOVIE!

 

[The Kid]

brett decided to cut and paste character's powers for convenience. And no fire bird? that's not cool.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

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As I say the minute it raises above 80% (X-Men 1 rating) on rotten tomatoes, I'll apologize...until then I told you so, he made a bad film and the rating it got I predicted.
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Revenge of the Sith (after the first 2 were 60%, it scored 82%) was the highest rated of its franchise, all the LOTR scored in the upper 90%, Harry Potter gets better reviews every installment and of course the original Star Wars as well did good across the board.
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Ah but thats why the Cream of the Crop is nicely added on your side bar. And in fact those loser critics make it a more accurate gauge. Now I know I am hearing from all angles, not just the biased fanboy angle who desperately wants his movie to be good.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Credible
it was, in a word, funner... it had (much) better action, a better story (i thought) better acting... i thought it was better than the first two put together...

what didn't i like? honestly, i can't think of too much right now that i didn't. i've never touched an X comic in my life, so i can't say whether or not the characters were treated with dignity in that respect, i can only say that they were treated better than X1 or X2 ever cared to.
Quote by ShadowBoxing
But if you have never touched an X comic you can't say that.

Point being he said X1 and X2 treated the characters better, but if you don't read the comics, you have no idea what the characters are like and therefore you void your own argument.

and by the way dueschbag since you choose to make fun of me unwarranted by telling me I look like comic book guy here is my REAL photo:

 

[skruloos]

Singer has his own writers always working always changing and revising... maybe ratner should think about being a real director.

Never going to happen. By his own admission, he is not an "artiste" and never demands final cut on his work. You know what that means? He doesn't care if the studio butchers his work. All he cares about is getting his paycheck. Directing is a job to him, not an art. And sadly, it shows in his work.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

thank you SKRULOSS, i mean finally someone that sees ratner for what he is....