The "we're sorry, Brett" thread...

[Mee]

Yeah I was worried when Ratner got the job, but the movie turned out great. Sorry Brett.

 

[SsM]

Never going to happen. By his own admission, he is not an "artiste" and never demands final cut on his work. You know what that means? He doesn't care if the studio butchers his work. All he cares about is getting his paycheck. Directing is a job to him, not an art. And sadly, it shows in his work.

he even saId in an interview.. That he doesnt think about anything until he gets paid :/ I have no idea if he was joking or being serious though :/

 

[FunBobPants]

i literally wanted to go to Hollywood and shoot Brett when he killed of Professor X and took away Magneto's powers. but now that it seems like both are coming back. im okay with it

 

[By your Command]

I hated this movie the first time i saw it on opening day, i hated it so much that it's been a long time since i cmae here to the Hype and discuss it, last week i was a basher and posted my review and my discontent with the movie, after that and by listening to the soundtrack over and over again (remembering scenes) i went and watched the movie again and i t wasn't that bad, on saturday i went again and i liked it, and now that i think about it it's a good movie, i love some scenes, i quote some parts, and although i enjoyed 1 and 2 better, i definitely liked this one (i feel somewhat ashemed to say it but it's true).

So i have to say i'm sorry Brett, you won.

 

[Mar420x]

I have to say i'm sorry Brett, you're the weakest link. good bye. Never come back forever forever again.

 

[Intheknow101]

I'm sorry the movie was a let down.

 

[Optic Rage]

Brett, im sorry i ever gave you a chance.

 

[matthooper]

I never blamed the Rat. X-3 sucked because of the studio. They had way too much input, and the movie shows the conflict. Ratner shot the film the studio wanted, it's not his fault. They wanted a yes man and they got one. Ratner is a hack, but the crappy film is not really his fauly. Fox rushed a project that needed not to be. Singer was going to do it after Superman with good writers. Fox should be ashamed for X-3, it is a terrible piece of crap. But guess what, they are still counting their money. They love it.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

it was ratner and if you listened to every interview he has done you would know it was him... and it dropped almost 70% second week making it take another top 10 list of worst movies that bombed second week!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA put it up there with elektra baby!

 

[YJ1]

I wish all the Singer loyalist would take an exodus to the Superman Returns forums and leave us alone here to celebrate the success of X3.

They have a ton to talk about over there ...

Even though it's three weeks late, it's never too late to mail those apology cards to Brett. Now, not only do some people have to apologize for unjust criticism but they have to apologize for being tardy as well.

 

[Radagast_Prime]

Brett, im sorry i ever gave you a chance.

So am I.

 

[Obsidian]

Why do I have to apologize? Brett did a decent job at pointing and shooting because that's all he can do. Had he been given a horrible script, we would've gotten a horrible film.

 

[YJ1]

Hey I enjoyed The Last Stand and clearly the majority of the audience aren't comic book fanboys. Thank God because they could never support a film by themselves. However, I do agree there should be a give and take on both sides by the fans and the studios trying to get a product suitable for the mass audiences without turning the fans off. I think many people were die hard Ratner haters from the beginning and would never give this film a chance. From the moment some of you entered the theatre your mind was set on hating it and you couldn't wait to get back to the message boards to complain. Each scene some of you watched was not to enjoy the film but to pick it apart. That is what's sad.

Well said. I truly pity people that couldn't enjoy an instant classic like X3 simply because they're too big of a Cyclops fan or too big of a Ratner hater.

 

[antariksh]

it was ratner and if you listened to every interview he has done you would know it was him... and it dropped almost 70% second week making it take another top 10 list of worst movies that bombed second week!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA put it up there with elektra baby!

You are one big PILE OF CRAP.

And btw don't worry SR will drop 50%+ second weekend like all POS Bryan singer movies.

It should NOT drop because it is coming after what 20 years. People should be excited about it BUT the new superman's guts will be blown into pieces by the cannons in POTC 2 and Brandon Routh's BALLS will be castrated by Johnny Depp's mere sword which will result in superman being called a GAY and finally DEATH at boxoffice.

 

[antariksh]

Well said. I truly pity people that couldn't enjoy an instant classic like X3 simply because they're too big of a Cyclops fan or too big of a Ratner hater.

SO DAMN RIGHT

 

[Obsidian]

Well said. I truly pity people that couldn't enjoy an instant classic like X3 simply because they're too big of a Cyclops fan or too big of a Ratner hater.

or maybe because they don't ignore the obvious flaws in the film

 

[SsM]

I'm neither a HUGE cyclops fan.. nor a ratner hater.. I like rushhour/2...... I just did not like this movie

 

[gambitfire]

Well said. I truly pity people that couldn't enjoy an instant classic like X3 simply because they're too big of a Cyclops fan or too big of a Ratner hater.

Ingorant much?

Im glad this thread exist cuz i want to say im sorry........Sorry that i actually had faith in Ratner and had been looking forward to this movie.

 

[Gilpesh]

I went into X-3 thinking "Wow this is going to be better than I thought." Seeing the trailers and clips made my uneasiness with the fact Singer was gone. After seeing X-3 opening weekend, I noticed that it is just a placeholder. Nothing happened in the end that was going to make future X-Men movies change because of the events in the movie.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

why are we still talking about CYCLOPS being the ultimate flunker of this movie when you can more legitly blame it on

RUSHED SEQUENCES

POOR PLOT

PLOT HOLES OUT THE ASS

CRAPPY COLOSSUS EFFECTS

KILLING PYLOCKE

NO OMEGA

1HOUR 36MINUTES

ANGEL COMING AND GOING IN THE FINAL SCENE WITH NO FOLLOWING OR EXPLAINATION

XAVIERS VOICE IN ANOTHER BODY

ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

 

[skruloos]

Well said. I truly pity people that couldn't enjoy an instant classic like X3 simply because they're too big of a Cyclops fan or too big of a Ratner hater.

Of course it couldn't be that maybe people just didn't share your enthusiasm for the movie and actually have valid criticisms of it.

 

[X-Maniac]

I just returned from the viewing with my date. She wasn't and isn't well versed in the X-Men universe, although she had admitted to seeing one episode of the TAS and was somewhat familiar with Wolverine, Cyclops, and Beast.

Anyways, where do I start? Did I like the film? I enjoyed it for what it was. Is it better than X1? Yes. Better than X2? No way. In MY opinion it's a good movie on its own. Perhaps if had followed X1 instead of X2 then it would possibly be a different argument.

X2 is a great movie and so is X1. Anyone who says Singers X-Men are a piece of trash don't appreciate good cinema and actual character development. In hindsight they have short attention spans and refuse to acknowledge the emotion, power, and realistic human nature that is involved with these particular mutants that we know and love.

One thing that has to stop is the name calling of Ratner. Most directors would've cracked under the pressure he was placed upon, but in my honest opinion, he put out a good movie to the best of his abilities and if he was given more time he would've put out an even better movie(IMO).

Don't get me wrong now, I do have some complaints about the movie and you can definitely tell due to its rushed schedule/filming, a lot of the ideas that were presented didn't get the right treatment and weren't developed to their fullest potential.

The runtime wasn't as bad as other made it out to be, the pacing was very good(suprisingly), and the acting was very good, not great, but better than the FF4 or Elektra for instance. The fact that this movie isn't a trainwreck due to politics, studio interference, and limited time is beyond me and I applaud Ratner for doing the best he could. Yes, I would've rather had Singer continue his vision of the Dark Phoenix saga; however, nothing can be done and what is done is done.

I feel Angel wasn't necessary. He has a great story and he's a great character, I really didn't like the fact that he didn't do anything of merit

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except save his father in the end.

Beast was excellent. I loved Kelseys performance and everytime I saw him on the screen, I wanted more and wished we had seen more of his agility in the final battle.

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I also wish his scene with Leech was further explored. I loved the acting by Kelsey, his emotion and the look on his face as Beast watched his human hand return was excellent. You could feel that he loved seeing his normal hand for once and I would've loved if he had gotten closer, and got to see his human face as well. However, that is a minor issue and hopefully its in the DVD(If there is an extended version).

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Yes, we all wish and are angry that Cyclops bit the dust. But the best thing about it(If there is a best thing) is that there is no body. He opened his eyes really quick and he may've been knocked back into the woods by Jeans force. So again, this opens the possibility of him returning for a future X-Men movie via Mr. Sinister(hopefully)

I will say that I was very disappointed by the final battle. All of the rumors and clips from the trailers showed it be climatic, emotional, and powerful and to me it just seemed like a typical battle. To me there was no finality and didn't really exhude any kind of apocalyptic proportions. I know it would've been A LOT better if Cyclops, Rogue, and Angel were involved in the final conflict.

There were quite a few flaws. But we can't blame Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn for Rothman being the greedy blind individual that he is. They had a job to do and they were being watched by a microscope, so there's no need to hate them or call them any kind of names. I firmly believe if they had more time available the movie probably would've been over two hours, had more Cyclops, and maybe have a more climatic finale than the one we received.

In my theater it was packed with A LOT of comic book geeks. It received a standing ovation at the end and I didn't hear too many groans during the Cyclops tragedy. But, that's a whole another story, even though I was slightly closing my eyes and still in a state of denial to an extent.

In the end, I liked the film and I appreciate the effort. This movie will make a lot of money and Fox will probably greenlight an X4, and hopefully it'll pave the way for Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister.

I give it a 3/5. Not a bad movie, but could've been better developed with more time and care.

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I definitely didn't like Wolverine being the savior. Seeing him hold Jean was blasphemous in my opinion, and it showed that Rothman has a hard-on for Wolverine.

I stumbled across this old thread while searching through posts for an entirely different reason. I hope I don't get into trouble for bumping this but it seemed worthy of comment and reappraisal.

Sunrise, I can't believe you said what you said above considering how much you hate it now!? You obviously stewed over the movie a lot and became much more embittered about it.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that editing the movie to produce a 90-minute thrill ride was its biggest mistake. It made the movie into an orgasm without any foreplay or post-coital cuddles!!!

An Extended Edition to include other footage and replace some of the worst stuff is needed desperately! The editing/runtime is the biggest thing wrong with the movie (aside from Cyclops' death, which couldn't be fixed in any extended edition!).

 

[La_She-Beast]

I stumbled across this old thread while searching through posts for an entirely different reason. I hope I don't get into trouble for bumping this but it seemed worthy of comment and reappraisal.

Sunrise, I can't believe you said what you said above considering how much you hate it now!? You obviously stewed over the movie a lot and became much more embittered about it.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that editing the movie to produce a 90-minute thrill ride was its biggest mistake. It made the movie into an orgasm without any foreplay or post-coital cuddles!!!

An Extended Edition to include other footage and replace some of the worst stuff is needed desperately! The editing/runtime is the biggest thing wrong with the movie (aside from Cyclops' death, which couldn't be fixed in any extended edition!).

The Venom invaded him... And what would you expect from an extended version? I dunno. Have my doubts that they would do any better.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I stumbled across this old thread while searching through posts for an entirely different reason. I hope I don't get into trouble for bumping this but it seemed worthy of comment and reappraisal.

Sunrise, I can't believe you said what you said above considering how much you hate it now!? You obviously stewed over the movie a lot and became much more embittered about it.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that editing the movie to produce a 90-minute thrill ride was its biggest mistake. It made the movie into an orgasm without any foreplay or post-coital cuddles!!!

An Extended Edition to include other footage and replace some of the worst stuff is needed desperately! The editing/runtime is the biggest thing wrong with the movie (aside from Cyclops' death, which couldn't be fixed in any extended edition!).

Holy crap, lol

That's an, um, "interesting" post from LastSunrise1981 to say the least!

Though I'm not making any judgements on him, because I'm sure if we dig up MY original response to X-Men: The Last Stand, people will be saying the same thing!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Speaking of original reviews, I just think it's interesting how opposite LastSunrise1981 and I were in our original reviews, only to flip flop our positions to complete opposites down the road:

*If you haven't seen the movie yet, and don't want to be spoiled, leave now. I will not use spoiler tags*

This is more than just a review. This is a summary of what I've been going through for the past 3 years, heavily in the past year and a half, only to be thanked with this.

I thought that despite certain creative decisions, such as the deaths of Cyclops and Xavier, that I would be able to come in here with a positive reaction to the movie. I anticipated getting all the bad stuff out of the way up front, so that I could end it on a high note. But I can't.

This movie was not the "X-Men" movie I've waited 3 years for. And this movie was not the movie I've been hyping up for the past year and a half.

They always say you should trust your first instinct, and this is a perfect case of that.

When I walked out of the theatres for X2, not only did I think they could never top that, seeing as how good X2 was. But knowing about contract situations, how not everyone was signed, and other things going on, I just have a feeling that X-Men 3 would have problems. And problems it did have.

Singer left to do Superman Returns, and took his creative team with him. Fox hired Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg to write the script, who between them are responsible for such films as Elektra, Fantastic 4, xXx: State of the Union, and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle. The only good movie on the resume of either of these writers was X2 on Penn's resume... but even he didn't write that movie. Dan Harris, Michael Dougherty, and David Hayter wrote the script, based on a story idea by Zak Penn. Then Fox hired Matthew Vaughn to direct, and who knows what he wanted to do, but surely it would have been even worse than what we got... he had no respect for Singer's movies what so ever. Then he walks, or was booted, whatever happened we may never know, and Brett Ratner comes in.

And now I come home from seeing this movie, and all I can say is I want Bryan Singer back.

Bryan Singer created this world on the big screen. And despite a few flaws, the world was the X-Men through and through. Sure, Singer lacked a bit in the action department. But he more than made up for it with character, depth, and heart. He may not have been a fan of the X-Men going in, but he surely did his research, and he truly understood it. And as a good filmmaker (with the acclaimed The Usual Suspects already under his belt), he understood that you can't have a movie that means much of anything without characters that you care and feel for.

This whole aspect is lost in X-Men: The Last Stand. Even Magneto, who may be the character most brilliantly adapted from the source material to the movies in this franchise lacked much emotion or depth this time around. Heart was totally null and void.

Sure, we got a bunch of comic book nods. We got the Danger Room. We got a Sentinel (well, if you want to call that us actually getting a Sentinel ), we got the Fastball Special, not once, but twice. But we lost what these characters were about, and lost what we loved about them in the first place. We lost what Singer truly understood.

I defended the filmmakers adamantly on the issue of runtime. I was the one arguing that they best know how much time they need to tell this story. But it's obvious that they didn't.

You are taken from Point A to Point B, with no explanation at all of how we got there. We're just there... quicker than a Nightcrawler "bamf". The film isn't given any room to breathe. We don't get a chance to learn who these characters are, what their motivations are. They are just there, and they just go along for the ride. With no explanation of anything, Magneto just already has an army that's invading Alcatraz. Characters like Multiple Man and Juggernaut have no idea what they are signing up for before they just state "I'm in!". Characters go from one location to the next in no time at all. The quickness at which they travel through this movie would put Quicksilver (or his movie-verse counterpart Callisto) to shame. And characters like Arclight have absolutley no definition what so ever, until all of the sudden the military is using plastic guns instead of metal, and Magneto needs his right hand man (or woman, in this case) to take out the threat.

And then there is the Phoenix. And it actually pains me to call her that. Because, the Phoenix, in the X-Men lore, represents something huge, something major. But here, it's just a sideplot. Never living up to a fraction of the glimmer of hope seen at the end of X2. Jean's dead. Scott hear's voices. Goes to lake. She rises all of a sudden, and when Scott asks "how"... "I dunno"

And then all of a sudden, back at the mansion, she was awokened, and needs to be controlled, because Xavier supressed her darkside, that referred to itself as Phoenix. What? Okay... how were these blocks broken in the first place? And then she kills Xavier because... he put blocks in, and wants to put them back in, so she flips out and kills him. And Magneto witnesses it. And is in horror over the situation. But yet... he still takes her. WHAT?!!

And why exactly does Pyro all of a sudden hate Iceman? They were buddies back at Xaviers. And sure, Pyro is a smug, cocky sun of a *****, that went with Magneto because Magneto stroked his ego, but to all of a sudden develop a hatred for his old buddy? Even Magneto still respects Xavier.

Juggernaut, one of the better additions to the film, runs into a wall with Leech right next to him, and all of a sudden he's done for? What happened to "I'm the Juggernaut, *****!"?! A wall, with that THICK ASS METAL HELMET ON HIS HEAD, knocked the JUGGERNAUT out for the count? Please.

And then there's the cure... this crazy almighty cure that Magneto bombs cure clinics, and rearranges the Golden Gate Bridge over. The cure that he abandoned Mystique for. Beast jams the cure down Magneto's throat, pretty damned close to literally, but Magneto is moving metal chess pieces around with his mind? One review got it right; they make these huge decisions for the film, and then don't even have the courage to stick by them.

What was the point of Angel? I thought the whole purpose of leaving Gambit out was because they didn't want to underdevelop bigger characters. Angel's role is absolutley POINTLESS. He rejects the cure, shows up out of nowhere at Xavier's mansion, and then shows up out of nowhere to rescue his father, and then flies aimlessly around.

And the lack of the Phoenix flame effect... now this wasn't a major key to me, but I understand why it was to many people. It's ****ing trademark. I do like the effect used for Phoenix, don't get me wrong, but last I checked, the Phoenix wasn't Emily Rose. The Phoenix flame is a trademark of her character, and it was even used in X2... so it'd be in continuity to have it here again.

Now I didn't totally hate this film. Let's take a look at the good:

*Marsden DID have a good performance, but I guess it's easy to capitolize on like, 4 ****ing lines.
*Beast was portrayed really really well.

Those are really the big things. And Beast is really the only one that makes an impact on the film, seeing as though Cyclops won't be around past the 15 minute mark.

But with that said, the movie does have moments. Unfortunatley, they are just that; moments. This film had all of the right ideas; the cure, the trigger to Magneto's war, the Phoenix, Xavier's manipulation... all the pieces were there, laid out right in front of them. But Kinberg, Penn, and Ratner did not know how to put it together to resemble the picture on the box.

The single biggest problem with this movie is the pacing. It moves TOO quick. It doesn't allow anything to take hold. And it doesn't allow for any kind of depth or emotion, and doesn't allow us to get to know any of the characters. Even Storm and Wolverine, the obvious front runners, even they didn't have much in the way of character. This film, to me, proves that Halle Berry didn't want Storm to be done justice... she wanted to have her name on the headliners. Storm doesn't have anymore characterization here than she did in X-Men or X2. In fact, she probably had more in X2 than she had here. Here, she just had some more action sequences, and has her name next to Hugh's above the "X-Men: The Last Stand" title.

This movie should have been so much better. The glimmer of hope that X2 leaves us with for what is to come delivers more than this did. This was supposed to be such an emotional film, more emotional than the other 2. It's not. There's no chance for there to be any emotion. Everything happens so fast. Killing off main characters does not equate to good drama. It has to be done in a meaningful way. And when the movie is moving too fast to actually deal with what happened, it's not being done in a meaningful way.

Except for Beast, we didn't get to know any of the characters. Even Wolverine. We hardly get to see how he deals with the Phoenix. It's more of a "I wanna bone you" scene, where he realizes "wait, didn't Cyclops die?", and then runs off blindly with a generic "I'LL SAVE YOU" attitude. We didn't get to know who the Morlocks / Omega Muties were. They tattoo themselves because they are proud of being mutants... and? We didn't get to know who Multiple Man was. He robbed some banks... at the same time... so he's blindly in on Magneto's plan? We don't get to know the Juggernaut. Magneto releases him so he can take a pee, and then he blindly joins Magneto's plan?

Trask was a waste of a character. The government didn't know if it wanted to be pro-mutant, or if it wanted to cure them all.

These aren't the X-Men that Bryan Singer brought to the screen. You can use the same sets, actors, and costumes all you want... but all of the substance that made the 1st two films great was completely lost.

Again, it's not all bad, there are glimmers of greatness within this film. But they are only glimmers.

And for someone who's been waiting for this for the past 3 years since the end of X2, and for someone who's fought so adamantly to be positive about this film for the past year, this film did NOT deliver. It was not the epic that X2 promised it to be. It was not the emotional film that the film makers promised it to be. Hell, even the action wasn't that far superior. The opening scene of X2, Nightcrawler's White House attack, is still the premiere action sequence in this trilogy.

Bryan Singer once went to a superhero franchise to ignore it's 3rd sequel and make a movie that could deliver. The fanboy in me can only hope that Singer will come back to the franchise he started, and ignore the 3rd sequel, and make it what it was supposed to be.

This is NOT what I've waited 3 years for.