The Amazing Spider-Man The "why reboot the Spider-Man franchise" Thread?

[Oscorp]

^I agree, Green Goblin is a must!

 

[Godzilla2014]

^I agree, Green Goblin is a must!

Agreed. Whenever there's a new Spider-Man continuity, I look forward to seeing how it will interpret my favorite characters in the mythos. I'm somewhat disappointed that there seem to be no prospects for Venom in this series as a result.

 

[Oscorp]

Venom isn't that unlikely to appear in this trilogy I think.

However, Green Goblin is the only villain that is a "must" in any trilogy for me. I don't feel the need for Doc Ock this time for example, and not Venom either. I love that we'll have Lizard in this, and I hope we'll get Mysterio, Kraven, Scorpion or some other cool character as well in this trilogy. But Green Goblin must be in at least one of these films.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Venom isn't that unlikely to appear in this trilogy I think.

However, Green Goblin is the only villain that is a "must" in any trilogy for me. I don't feel the need for Doc Ock this time for example, and not Venom either. I love that we'll have Lizard in this, and I hope we'll get Mysterio, Kraven, Scorpion or some other cool character as well in this trilogy. But Green Goblin must be in at least one of these films.

Agreed. Venom is one of my favorite Spider-Man villains, along with the Green Goblin, so I always look forward to seeing them both in new Spider-Man series.

 

[8wid]

I could see the trilogy going: Lizard, Green Goblin, Scorpion. No more than one villain per film because it would just drown out the needed character development and this is what killed SM3. I don't want Harry to become the Goblin at least in the trilogy, save it for another one if it makes it that long.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I could see the trilogy going: Lizard, Green Goblin, Scorpion. No more than one villain per film because it would just drown out the needed character development and this is what killed SM3. I don't want Harry to become the Goblin at least in the trilogy, save it for another one if it makes it that long.

You can do more than one villain per film, but each film needs one main villain to keep the story focused.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I have this real sinking suspicion this is gonna be 'Spilight'.

 

[roach]

uh this is Columbia Pictures...if they want four villains in a movie they are gonna do it...Raimi had more clout than Webb and they forced him to add characters....why will this be different?

 

[TheSlag]

I don't see how different a "more grounded/serious take on Uncle Ben's death.. and it's impact on Peter/Aunt May." would be. Was there really anything fantastical/comical about a man being gunned down by a carjacker in Spider-Man?

1) Light of full day vs. night time in a dark desolate Alley
2) Crowd of People around, police officers vs. what looks like just Peter
3) PG effects, no blood, no diagloue to really make you feel it

A lot will hinge on the dialogue at the death scene (assuming, and I do assume the remake will, have some) between Peter and Uncle Ben.

Also, how well the relationship/chemistry is done between Uncle Ben and Peter, considering the age difference. To me, the relationship between Peter and Uncle Ben in the first was not as strong or convincing as it should of been. But part of it, could of been Peter (Tobey's crying face). IMO, he does not do well with that kind of scenes. His crying looks forced/faked.

Overall, can you seriously say Uncle Ben's death scene in SM1 had that much emotional impact to you? I can not. And I am hoping for MUCH more of an impact in the reboot. And from what little tidbits of scenes I have seen, I am very optimistic it will achieve it.

Of course, the proof will be "in the pudding"

 

[Troy_Parker]

I have this real sinking suspicion this is gonna be 'Spilight'.

Get out, now.

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I think we'll be seeing the symbiote/cancer suit storyline at some point though.

Well, assuming they're going for more than 3 movies...

Which they probably aren't.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Why do people automatically assume that when we say this is more grounded, we also mean that Raimi's version was "fantastical/comical".

From the looks of it, it seems like this film's portrayal of UB's death is going to be a very personal and intimate one. Peter's alone, and it seems to be much later at night whereas in SM1, Peter was surrounded by a huge crowd, and barely had a conversation with Uncle Ben before he died. We're not saying that one is better than the other or that Raimi's portrayal was "comical" (where did you get that idea), we're saying it's going to be different. This seems more grounded because the situation seems a lot more personal.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Get out, now.

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I think we'll be seeing the symbiote/cancer suit storyline at some point though.

Well, assuming they're going for more than 3 movies...

Which they probably aren't.

I hope we decide to use the symbiote arc. The symbiote arc has a lot of potential for the development of Spider-Man as a character, and Venom is a great villain.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Agreed. Venom is one of my fave villians and I love the whole symbiote arc.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Agreed. Venom is one of my fave villians and I love the whole symbiote arc.

Mine too!
I have a great idea for what I would do with symbiote storyline if I had the opportunity to direct a series of Spider-Man films, which is tied into the Green Goblin story and Gwen Stacy's death.

In my concept, after Gwen is killed by Norman Osborn, Peter viciously beats Norman Osborn to a bloody pulp. Before he could finish him off the Green Goblin and deliver a killing blow, Green Goblin sends the glider to impale Spider-Man. He dodges out of the way, and Osborn is impaled by the glider, killing him. Both Spider-Man and the audience are unsure whether he would have killed Osborn if Norman hadn't tried to impale him.

In the next film, Peter feels angry about Gwen's fate, mad at the world for taking the woman he loved when he risks his life to help others. He feels gypped, like all he gets for helping others is crap.
It's at this point that the symbiote enters the equation, brought to Earth on a space shuttle piloted by John Jameson and sent to Dr. Connors's lab for analysis. The symbiote ends up bonding to Peter, and it appeals to his anger and makes him defensive and somewhat impatient. Peter begins viciously assaulting criminals, and it all comes to a head when he beats the film's villain to a pulp. He remembers what he did to Norman Osborn, and then what Uncle Ben might have said about it. He has a crisis of conscience, and leaves the incapacitated villain for the police. He goes off to a church to remove the symbiote with a bell. He throughly rejects the symbiote, and gets it off of him. The rest he brings back to Dr. Connors's lab to destroy it. There, he encounters Eddie Brock, Dr. Connors's lab assistant and Peter's childhood friend (who has been established since the first film in the series), who has been laid off because the loss of the symbiote cost the lab the grant money to pay Eddie's salary. Eddie pleads with Spider-Man to not destroy it, but he proceeds because the symbiote is too dangerous to keep around. Spider-Man sees the symbiote stop moving, so he leaves.

In a following film, we find out that the symbiote was playing opossum, and after Spider-Man left, called to Eddie Brock, and bonded with him to become Venom with the purpose to hunt down and kill Peter Parker. Spider-Man defeats Venom, but not before they tell Harry Osborn the secrets kept from him about who his father and best friend were as Green Goblin and Spider-Man.

Great concept, huh?

 

[8wid]

I still say start with Venom, move to a villain taken over by the symbiote like Scorpion or Electro, and move on to Carnage to make it awesome trilogy.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I still say start with Venom, move to a villain taken over by the symbiote like Scorpion or Electro, and move on to Carnage to make it awesome trilogy.

You mean start the series with Venom? That's a bad idea. There's just too much tell to have Venom as the antagonist in the same movie as their origins. That's what went wrong with Spider-Man 3. And hell no to another villain being taken over by the symbiote. There is only one Venom, and I don't want to see any wannabes with the symbiote. And do we really need Carnage?

 

[8wid]

^There is only one Venom, but there is also an anti-Venom character too and Carnage would be a great third act if Brock and Parker have to team up to bring him down. Morlun could appear in the middle if not too.

 

[Godzilla2014]

^There is only one Venom, but there is also an anti-Venom character too and Carnage would be a great third act if Brock and Parker have to team up to bring him down. Morlun could appear in the middle if not too.

No Anti-Venom, no Morlun, and no Spider-Man and Venom teaming up to defeat Carnage. That was stupid and out-of-character in the comics, and it would be stupid and out-of-character in the movies as well.

 

[8wid]

Morbius was actually a better vampire and could ally with Peter in the end if he survives his transformation.

 

[Thundercrack85]

But then you have to explain how vampires exist in the fairly... mundane universe of Spider-man.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Mundane universe of Spider-Man? Words escape me... I just... What?

 

[8wid]

^Wasn't one of his origins explaining he was a young scientist experimenting find a cure for a rare blood disease that bats were some how able to overcome. His genetic experiment just like the Lizard or Jackal goes wrong and he becomes not a traditional vampire, but half-bat, half-man.

 

[Juicy J]

Agreed. Venom is one of my favorite Spider-Man villains, along with the Green Goblin, so I always look forward to seeing them both in new Spider-Man series.

Agreed. As much as I love the Raimi films, I cannot WAIT to see a Spider-man movie with the Green Goblin and Venom used to their full potential.
Regardless of how much I love Spider-man 1, the GG suit did resemble a power ranger costume. And venom was just....awful.
Can't wait to see them done right.

 

[ironwez20]

Trust me venom is gonna be in these movies. Peters parents are in this and in the ultimate comics their biggest project was the suit. Trust me venom will be hear somewhere. Infact I think he's the reason for this reboot.

 

[NinjaCarm]

Trust me venom is gonna be in these movies. Peters parents are in this and in the ultimate comics their biggest project was the suit. Trust me venom will be hear somewhere. Infact I think he's the reason for this reboot.

I agree with your assessment. Venom, along with Green Goblin, will be in this series.

You could bet the farm on it.