The Wrestling Thread Is Driving Through Suplex City! - Part 201

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[JabarR]

AJ, Naomi and Michael Jackson !

 

[zeroapoc]

You really don't pick up on the fact that literally nobody finds that joke you constantly make amusing do you?

Also they all think you're weird.

 

[cabel]

It appears the Rock will sing in the next Disney Musical

 

[Slushy]

Jericho putting the internet haters on blast in his newest Talk Is Jericho episode with Edge. Holy Hell!

 

[Dr. Evil]

It appears the Rock will sing in the next Disney Musical

Will it be like this?

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[vantheman77]

So the WWE/WCW narrative between Sting and Triple H was Vince McMahon. I would assume Triple H going over Sting was Vince's idea?!

I can see the handshake being Triple H's idea as not only he grew up watching Sting and Ric Flair in WCW, he also worked there for a year in 1994-95 before he went to WWE. I will bet you cutting a heel promo on Sting later was Vince's idea.

Looks like Triple H wanted Sting in WWE more than Vince, who does not seem to be high on him for long term.

 

[NDX]

Striker calling a Magistral Cradle. I thought everyone forgot what that was called.

 

[sweetre15]

This news goes to show that despite HHH having faults even he doesn't have too much control over who goes over and who doesn't because the buck still stops with Vince.

Hell some didn't believe HHH when he said going over Punk was Vince's call but if you listen to Punk's podcast, he said in his little blowup with HHH and Vince that VINCE fed him to HHH despite him resenting HHH for killing his hot angle which he's likely referring to the stuff HHH would say in his promos.

All that aside, Trips brought this on himself because due to the fact that he has screwed people over before, anytime he goes over in a match, it'll go on him in the eyes of the fans.

 

[venom892]

Vince saying Sting is a nostalgia act is laughable. The last few Wrestlemanias have been headlined by nothing but nostalgia acts. I'm I to believe that Taker and Rock aren't nostalgia acts? I'm sure in Vince's head they aren't since one he credits as his greatest creation and the other he views as a way into the mainstream. Vince seems to be the only one who can't let go of WCW. Everyone else has moved on.

 

[PyroChamber]

That man will forever live in his own little world, and the fact that he's the owner of the biggest and most well known wrestling organization in the world and has his hand in damn near everything that goes on in it makes it even worse.

In other words, there's nothing worse than when a big company is run by a small minded individual.

 

[sweetre15]

Funny thing about Vince is that besides getting things done by hook or by crook by raiding territories, aiming his product towards non wrestling fans and coining the term sports entertainment.....What did he really do?

Macho Man, Flair, The Rockers, Hart Foundation, Bulldogs, Jake The Snake, Ted Debiase, Roddy Piper, Andre The Giant, King Kong Bundy, Hulk Hogan, Greg Valentine, Ricky Steamboat, Paul Orndorff, Bob Orton, Harley Race, Koko B Ware, Rick Rude, The Killer Bees, The Koloffs, Mr Perfect, Rick Martel, Junkyard Dog, Bobby Heenan, Ultimate Warrior, The Bushwhackers, The Wild Samoans etc were all guys taken from other territories and all big deals to some degree in their respective territories.

Hulk Hogan's Star power? Also nothing to do with Vince since he was already doing Hulkamania in AWA and got popular after Rocky 3

The booking of the product from WM1-3ms time frame? George Scott whom already had good credibility from his JCP booking at the time

Wrestlemania? a concept bit from StarrCade and hilariously the first Mania was funded by Crockett and co when they payed to get their TBS TV slot back

The Attitude Era? Ideas pushed for by Russo, The Kliq and Shane McMahon as well as ideas being taken from ECW

The only "creations" of his to truly succeed were Taker, Cena, Mankind and The Rock. Austin, HBK, HHH, Jericho, and others I don't consider his "creations"

Revisionist history has made Vince out to be a "genius" wrestling mind and star maker but he never was that...EVER

His best trait was his ruthlessness as a business man

 

[PyroChamber]

^Stuff like that always brings me back to that promo Heyman did on the Smackdown before the 2002 Survivor Series.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Funny thing about Vince is that besides getting things done by hook or by crook by raiding territories, aiming his product towards non wrestling fans and coining the term sports entertainment.....What did he really do?

Hulk Hogan's Star power? Also nothing to do with Vince since he was already doing Hulkamania in AWA and got popular after Rocky 3


Wrestlemania? a concept bit from StarrCade and hilariously the first Mania was funded by Crockett and co when they payed to get their TVS TV slot back

His best trait was his ruthlessness as a business man

The answer to 'what did he do?' is in your last sentence. Vince marketed in ways that weren't previously done and in areas where wrestling hadn't been prior to the 80s. He made Hogan more than just a trivia question from Rocky 3. He gave him the colors, catch-phrases, and used him to sell T-shirts, action figures, video games, and featured him on a cartoon.

Hogan once said in a shoot that Vince took wrestling out of the bars and put it in the family living room. That was genius back then, but 30 years later, Vince hasn't adapted to the changing landscape of entertainment. If he were focused more on creating a quality product for his loyal fans instead of worrying about the perception of WWE in Hollywood and to the general public, things might still be well.

 

[sweetre15]

The answer to 'what did he do?' is in your last sentence. Vince marketed in ways that weren't previously done and in areas where wrestling hadn't been prior to the 80s. He made Hogan more than just a trivia question from Rocky 3. He gave him the colors, catch-phrases, and used him to sell T-shirts, action figures, video games, and featured him on a cartoon.

Hogan once said in a shoot that Vince took wrestling out of the bars and put it in the family living room. That was genius back then, but 30 years later, Vince hasn't adapted to the changing landscape of entertainment. If he were focused more on creating a quality product for his loyal fans instead of worrying about the perception of WWE in Hollywood and to the general public, things might still be well.

Which is funny because his presentation and handling of the product is what is really hurting it's perception in those areas.

Vince tries to use that asan excuse to project his outdated mentality onto his audience despite the audience being mostly tired of it as well as a way to justify his hand picked talents

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

AJ, Naomi and Michael Jackson !

Did you drink a lot of paint as a child seriously its gotta be something like that

 

[Hunter Rider]

I watched the only match I cared about from Mania tonight, the Divas tag. I thought all 4 women did well and the match was a decent tag bout with a classic structure and the right finish.

One thing that stood out was that Levi stadium looked spectacular visually, but had the same hollow atmosphere as every other open air wrestling show I have seen, and the vibe was kinda like WrestleMania IX.

I also checked out the 6 Diva tag from Raw, another good match where I felt Paige got a little sidelined but overall everyone got some shine and Nikki's heel work has really progressed. Naomi's finishing move sucks but it was good to see her being positioned to be the next challenger.

Also Nattie is looking thicker than ever and AJ is looking hotter than ever!

 

[Hunter Rider]

On the point of Vince the ruthless businessman, he is but he is actually not a great one these days as he has lost touch and hampers the money making potential of his own product with terrible ideas both on the booking side of things and with stuff like the movies, the celeb tie-ins and the Network.

In the 1990's he used a bunch of ideas from other people as Sweeter points out, and the attitude era was something that was not his vision of wrestling, he simply did what he had to in order to survive. Now he wants to reset things and go back to how WWF was in the 80's and that will never work, which is why the biggest story in wrestling for nearly 4 years now has been Vince's stubborn will vs the voices of the fans.

John Cena is the poster child of this era as he is the seed from which this all grew. He was the guy Vince tried to use to turn the clock back, and when fans revolted he simply pushed him so hard down fans throats that in the end they puked, the bile now spewing up all over guys like Batista and Reigns is the blow-back of what he started 10 years ago.

Jericho putting the internet haters on blast in his newest Talk Is Jericho episode with Edge. Holy Hell!

Meh, Jericho sold his integrity for his bag of silver, he can rant all he wants, he's wrong.

 

[TheVileOne]

From Jericho's perspective, I can see why. It is in his best interests not to burn bridges with WWE.

 

[zeroapoc]

I haven't listened to all of the new podcast. All I heard him talk about was the HoF hecklers, and I agreed with him. Was there more?

 

[Hunter Rider]

From Jericho's perspective, I can see why. It is in his best interests not to burn bridges with WWE.

At what point does he have enough money to value his pride higher?

 

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[Kane52630]