The Wrestling Thread is not your decision you stupid Americans - - - Part 197

[zeroapoc]

Who do you think it bothers more? His wife who is probably seeing out her contract? or the ego driven old loon that Punk told to shove his company up his ass and the fans still chant for him more than 99% of the roster?

AJ. Definitely AJ.

As well as the women who are out there with her trying to do their job and getting disrespected.

 

[Hunter Rider]

AJ.

Definitely AJ.

I think you are wrong, she doesn't give a **** at this point IMO and his just having fun before she finishes up after Mania, why the hell would it bother her that the fans love her husband and chant his name when she is out there? I doubt she sees it as a slight as she supports him.

Contrast that with Vince, you really don't think a man who openly said he'd rather have a half full arena chanting for who he tells them to than a full arena chanting for who they wanted, is sent nuts at the fact a guy who hasn't been there in over a year and who publicly buried the company and Vince as liars and phonies, gets more reaction in his absence than any of his chosen muscle figures he's pushing?

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As well as the women who are out there with her trying to do their job and getting disrespected.

That's pro wrestling, if it bothers them then they are in the wrong business.

 

[zeroapoc]

why the hell would it bother her that the fans love her husband and chant his name when she is out there?

Because they could just as easily chant her name. She goes out there to work and they chant for someone else. She's a performer herself and her identity exists beyond the man she happens to be married to.

 

[zeroapoc]

That's pro wrestling, if it bothers them then they are in the wrong business.

Not the issue. Simply saying "that's the business" doesn't make the chants above criticism. Or the point moot.

 

[The Sage]

It will be interesting to see how Vince McMahon’s current state of mind impact how he is able to get a new deal signed with WWE World Heavyweight Champion, which is apparently the #1 priority besides WrestleMania 31 right now.

People close to Vince report that he’s been very down on himself as of late and is losing confidence. This comes after the recent backstage blow-up with Lesnar at RAW.

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/vince-mcmahon-reportedly-losing-confidence/

 

[zeroapoc]

People close to Vince report that he’s been very down on himself as of late and is losing confidence. This comes after the recent backstage blow-up with Lesnar at RAW.

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/vince-mcmahon-reportedly-losing-confidence/

I don't buy that at all. Seems like wishful thinking. I just don't see Vince as capable of thinking of himself as anything less than brilliant.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Because they could just as easily chant her name. She goes out there to work and they chant for someone else. She's a performer herself and her identity exists beyond the man she happens to be married to.

She is his proxy to fans, look at her recent twitter slap on Stephanie, it's like the two go hand in hand. You cut away all of the part about it irritating Vince which I am sure makes her happy for her husband, his ghost haunts that old fool's show.

Not the issue. Simply saying "that's the business" doesn't make the chants above criticism. Or the point moot.

Criticizing people for having freedom of speech is odd, and I doubt you'll find many broken up over a CM Punk chant breaking out during 90% of segments on that godawful show.

 

[zeroapoc]

She is his proxy to fans.

She's also AJ Lee. A completely separate person.

Criticizing people for having freedom of speech is odd, and I doubt you'll find many broken up over a CM Punk chant breaking out during 90% of segments on that godawful show.

Sorry but how is this a freedom of speech issue? I don't recall anyone suggesting that laws should be passed prohibiting anyone from chanting CM Punk, or that such should result in arrest.

"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to be critical of anything you say. There's nothing in the constitution that says people can't disagree with each other.

 

[Hunter Rider]

She's also AJ Lee. A completely separate person.

I am aware of that but the fact is the most famous aspect about her is she is married to CM Punk, seeing her sparks a big shout out to him, I don't see why this is an issue and I highly doubt it is for her, only for Vince.

Sorry but how is this a freedom of speech issue? I don't recall anyone suggesting that laws should be passed prohibiting anyone from chanting CM Punk, or that such should result in arrest.

"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean that nobody is allowed to be critical of anything you say. There's nothing in the constitution that I can recall that says people can't disagree with each other.

I mentioned freedom of speech as it seems to bother you that people are excersising it, it's always you or Donnie getting upset because someone no one give two craps about is having Punk's name chanted over their match. Maybe if any of them connected like he did then it wouldn't happen, it doesn't happen to Bryan, Ziggler or Rollins, at least not to my knowledge.

 

[The Sage]

Doesn't happen to Ambrose either.

 

[zeroapoc]

I mentioned freedom of speech as it seems to bother you that people are excersising it

What do you base that on? My negative opinion of the chants is in no way the same thing as me being upset that people have the right to do them. That's ridiculous. By that logic anytime someone is critical of another person's comments then it means they're also being critical of their right to exercise free speech. The two things are miles apart. I mean, you being critical of mine and Donnie's opinion isn't the same thing as being bothered that we have the right to express them is it?

Also I remember a very loud CM Punk chant over a Bryan segment once. During the whole "relinquish the title" story line. I remember it because Steph had a great line about the crowd wanting him to quit just like Punk.

 

[The Sage]

I don't buy that at all. Seems like wishful thinking. I just don't see Vince as capable of thinking of himself as anything less than brilliant.

Maybe on the surface, though I wouldn't be surprised if the last year took some type of toll on him mentally. Two Royal Rumbles that didn't get the ideal response the media attention he would want; his second top star walks out and fans still cheer his name a year later; his plan to crown his new anointed one the face of the company isn't getting the response he wants and I would say needs; on top of all of that, his developmental show being headed by his son-in-law is getting praised more than the company's main brand that he directly oversees.

 

[zeroapoc]

Maybe on the surface, though I wouldn't be surprised if the last year took some type of toll on him mentally. Two Royal Rumbles that didn't get the ideal response the media attention he would want; his second top star walks out and fans still cheer his name a year later; his plan to crown his new anointed one the face of the company isn't getting the response he wants and I would say needs; on top of all of that, his developmental show being headed by his son-in-law is getting praised more than the company's main brand that he directly oversees.

Well we can hope so. Vince with self doubt can only be a good thing.

Edit - Unless he decides that it means he should listen to Dunn more.

 

[Heretic]

When the Diva who started the Give Divas A Chance movement walks out and people are chanting for a male wrestler...then the people are not giving Divas a chance. It is proof that even the most popular female wrestler on the card is unable to get the crowd invested in what she is doing.

 

[zeroapoc]

AJ didn't start the Give Divas A Chance movement. Fans on twitter did. It was going on for like 2 days before she popped up.

And I think the crowd was invested. It's just that some express it in a weird way. But at the end of the day I do think they intend well.

 

[sweetre15]

Well we can hope so. Vince with self doubt can only be a good thing.

Edit - Unless he decides that it means he should listen to Dunn more.

I hope he doesn't think that considering Kevin Dumb is essentially his clone but even worse because Dunn hates anything "wrestling" and hopes to win a Emmy one day by disassociating WWE from wrestling as much as possible.(that tidbit came via Cornette about Dunn)

 

[Donnie Darko]

I am aware of that but the fact is the most famous aspect about her is she is married to CM Punk, seeing her sparks a big shout out to him, I don't see why this is an issue and I highly doubt it is for her, only for Vince.

I mentioned freedom of speech as it seems to bother you that people are excersising it, it's always you or Donnie getting upset because someone no one give two craps about is having Punk's name chanted over their match. Maybe if any of them connected like he did then it wouldn't happen, it doesn't happen to Bryan, Ziggler or Rollins, at least not to my knowledge.

So do we "#GiveDivasAChance" or do we just continue to give them ****** segments and chant CM Punk's name over their matches?

I'm actually a Punk fan. I look forward to seeing his UFC debut. I bought his Thor comic. I just think chanting his name got old almost a year ago. It was one thing when they were doing it over HHH/Batista segments (it made sense then), but what the **** does Paige have to do with that?

Actually, Paige had the best response to it ever at that show where she screamed back "Her name is AJ, and she sucks!"

 

[runawayboulder]

Fans started chanting AJ's name when the Bellas started ganging up on Paige. She came out to a pretty big pop and the crowd started chanting Punks' name after the fact. It's not like they were chanting his name during the girls match when they were trying to work.

Some of you guys out there can be so hypocritical when it comes to this. In one breath people go back to his pipe bomb shoot and praise how right he was predicting the current state of the company but hate it when fans chant his name to Reigns, HHH or Steph as an act of defiance. You can't have it both ways folks.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Well, I've been singing the same tune for months about the issue. Doing it in defiance after the Batista Royal Rumble win made sense.

 

[zeroapoc]

Fans started chanting AJ's name when the Bellas started ganging up on Paige. She came out to a pretty big pop and the crowd started chanting Punks' name after the fact. It's not like they were chanting his name during the girls match when they were trying to work.

That's all true. And honestly, "the crowd" that did chant is just a segment of it.

Some of you guys out there can be so hypocritical when it comes to this. In one breath people go back to his pipe bomb shoot and praise how right he was predicting the current state of the company but hate it when fans chant his name to Reigns, HHH or Steph as an act of defiance. You can't have it both ways folks.

I always thought it made much more sense during Authority promos. That's not really what I was arguing. Although I do think it's time to move on by now.

 

[zeroapoc]

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[Hunter Rider]

Doesn't happen to Ambrose either.

Because he's over, there is a pattern there I think.

What do you base that on? My negative opinion of the chants is in no way the same thing as me being upset that people have the right to do them. That's ridiculous. By that logic anytime someone is critical of another person's comments then it means they're also being critical of their right to exercise free speech. The two things are miles apart. I mean, you being critical of mine and Donnie's opinion isn't the same thing as being bothered that we have the right to express them is it?

Also I remember a very loud CM Punk chant over a Bryan segment once. During the whole "relinquish the title" story line. I remember it because Steph had a great line about the crowd wanting him to quit just like Punk.

Every time fans chant Punk's name over a segment the first voice moaning about those fans is yours, it's like you can't just accept people's right to a voice, you have to have your say on what they choose to support instead of just letting them do as they wish since they bought a ticket. I'm not bothered that you do it per se, I'm just remarking on the pattern of your issue with fans doing as they choose at shows they paid to see.

They were in Chicago and that is Punk's city, and Steph's response was so brilliant it hurt her family's business in the law suit, well done Steph, her big mouth = more money for her Dad to pay Punk and her hubby will still always be way less relevant.

So do we "#GiveDivasAChance" or do we just continue to give them ****** segments and chant CM Punk's name over their matches?

I'm actually a Punk fan. I look forward to seeing his UFC debut. I bought his Thor comic. I just think chanting his name got old almost a year ago. It was one thing when they were doing it over HHH/Batista segments (it made sense then), but what the **** does Paige have to do with that?

Actually, Paige had the best response to it ever at that show where she screamed back "Her name is AJ, and she sucks!"

I don't care about the Divas or anyone on the WWE roster, they can't even be bothered to give Bryan, Ambrose and Ziggler singles matches at Mania, so the Divas are never going to be relevant, no one but Reigns, Cena and Rollins will be post Mania.

It had nothing to do with Paige, they chanted it because AJ showed up and Punk has said he watches her segments, so it was like a shout out from the fans to him, letting him know he's still their guy.

Good for Paige, I doubt it made any real impact though, only a select few can control a crowd verbally.

 

[Donnie Darko]

That's all true.



I always thought it made much more sense during Authority promos. That's not really what I was arguing. Although I do think it's time to move on by now.

True. It was "The Authority" that screwed him over (in real life), so they should be the target of any post-CM Punk wrath from fans.

Actually, anything to shut Triple-H's promos up would be welcome at this point. If not for Steph, the Authority storyline would have been unwatchable.

 

[zeroapoc]

Every time fans chant Punk's name over a segment the first voice moaning about those fans is yours, it's like you can't just accept people's right to a voice, you have to have your say on what they choose to support instead of just letting them do as they wish since they bought a ticket. I'm not bothered that you do it per se, I'm just remarking on the pattern of your issue with fans doing as they choose at shows they paid to see.

I haven't brought up Punk chants in months before we got into this discussion today. So it's hardly every time.

But what do you want from me? It's just my opinion. I feel no need to change it. I'm just using my voice. It has nothing to do with my acceptance of other's voices. They can do as they like.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I don't care about the Divas or anyone on the WWE roster

So, honestly, what do you want from the product?

I'm honestly most likely going to stop watching for a while after WM, no matter what happens, because I'm just burned out. Since about 2002, I can't really stay invested in wrestling for extended periods of time, no matter what is going on with the product, and I've been watching regularly again for two years now, so it's probably time for an extended break anyway.

Hopefully, my absence will make this thread a better, happier place, with no one's first amendment rights being trampled on by my opinion.