The Wrestling Thread is not your decision you stupid Americans - - - Part 197

[Wheels]

Everyone will have to go OOT within the next few years because traditional TV is dying. Resistance is futile lol.

 

[Kaleb]

The Rise and Fall of WWE
[YT]20s8u_iPm-w[/YT]

This is magnificent

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

The Rise and Fall of WWE
[YT]20s8u_iPm-w[/YT]

This is magnificent

This will be a first day purchase for me!

 

[Frico]

 

[Kaleb]

There's a feeling among some that Roman Reigns may end up being the big babyface at WrestleMania 31 for his WWE World Heavyweight Title Match against Brock Lesnar. The reactions for Reigns since the Royal Rumble have gotten better but that could change with the mostly "smart crowd" made up of internet fans at WrestleMania.

We've noted how WrestleMania 31 could be Lesnar's last match if chooses to return to UFC. With the WrestleMania crowd made up of many "smart" fans, they will be aware that Lesnar is on his way out and this could cause them to cheer Reigns.


Lordsofpain

Its almost like Vince himself sent this out

 

[The Apocalypse]

There's a feeling among some that Roman Reigns may end up being the big babyface at WrestleMania 31 for his WWE World Heavyweight Title Match against Brock Lesnar. The reactions for Reigns since the Royal Rumble have gotten better but that could change with the mostly "smart crowd" made up of internet fans at WrestleMania.

We've noted how WrestleMania 31 could be Lesnar's last match if chooses to return to UFC. With the WrestleMania crowd made up of many "smart" fans, they will be aware that Lesnar is on his way out and this could cause them to cheer Reigns.


Lordsofpain

Its almost like Vince himself sent this out

I don't think it'll matter if Brock leaves or not. That crowd ain't booing him unless he goes up against DB.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

The Rise and Fall of WWE
[YT]20s8u_iPm-w[/YT]

This is magnificent

I'll be buying this on Blu-Ray day one.

 

[Wheels]

I love Brock as a performer but I wish he cared more about everything he's been given. No one have been given more than Lesnar and yet he's walking. Not faulting the guy for getting paid where he can, but it still sucks.

 

[Samurai_Adam]

She's gorgeous.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I am perplexed by the people who think Bryan will pull a Nakamura and elevate the I-C Title. Sure, he COULD do it, but WWE books titles like **** so I highly doubt it'll happen. Say they do a feud with Ambrose and Bryan: like they're gonna be given a chance to have a great story to tell. Them being relegated to the I-C Title shows WWE has nothing for them right now.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Joe! Joe! ACH! Joe! Joe! ACH!

 

[Benstamania]

There's a feeling among some that Roman Reigns may end up being the big babyface at WrestleMania 31 for his WWE World Heavyweight Title Match against Brock Lesnar. The reactions for Reigns since the Royal Rumble have gotten better but that could change with the mostly "smart crowd" made up of internet fans at WrestleMania.

We've noted how WrestleMania 31 could be Lesnar's last match if chooses to return to UFC. With the WrestleMania crowd made up of many "smart" fans, they will be aware that Lesnar is on his way out and this could cause them to cheer Reigns.


Lordsofpain

Its almost like Vince himself sent this out

This seems more like an opinion write up.. Which is cool.. But why wouldn't one expect the smart crowd to **** on both of these guys? No where is it written that because the smart fans know Lesnar is leaving.. That they now have no other option but to cheer Reigns.

I'm not on the Reigns hate wagon. Dude could improve it he would stick to "how bout I just punch you in the mouth lines" and his over the top rope splash ala Taker on Raw was mildly impressive.. But this still doesn't mean fans will cheer him. It's a smart crowd and if the match sucks.. Expect them to boo the hell out of BOTH of these guys. I expect Bryan chants a plenty.

 

[Slushy]

Its almost like Vince himself sent this out

Casual fans love Roman Reigns unfortunately:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igqha_roman-reigns-entrance_sport

I regret not having ear plugs with me that night. The fans were THAT loud from beginning to end for his match in Vegas. Not a single boo.

I would never hope for any wrestling show to be terrible, or for a guy to be unprofessional and deliberately make his dance partner look bad (which in return, makes both guys look like crap and is a huge slap in the face to paying customers).

I'm not happy about Roman Reigns in the main event and I hope the crowd sh**ts on him and cheers Lesnar to stick it to McMahon, but I'm excited for Sting Vs. Helmsley, Wyatt Vs. Undertaker, and Orton Vs. Rollins. All three matches will deliver following the buildup.

I hate that they are portraying it as HHH is the face of the WWE and Attitude Era

Well, Austin's retired and Maivia's priority is Hollywood so Helmsley leads by default (although he did try to invade Nitro once, lol), but I'm not going to sell him short. He did his part as both his feuds with The Rattlesnake and The Great One were excellent.

 

[Kaleb]

After months of speculation, international indie star Uhaa Nation is finally headed to WWE NXT. Nation announced his departure from Dragon Gate on their March 1st show after losing to BxB Hulk for the Open the Dream Gate Title



that song

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Casual fans love Roman Reigns unfortunately:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igqha_roman-reigns-entrance_sport

I regret not having ear plugs with me that night. The fans were THAT loud from beginning to end for his match in Vegas. Not a single boo.



I'm not happy about Roman Reigns in the main event and I hope the crowd sh**ts on him and cheers Lesnar to stick it to McMahon, but I'm excited for Sting Vs. Helmsley, Wyatt Vs. Undertaker, and Orton Vs. Rollins. All three matches will deliver following the buildup.



Well, Austin's retired and Maivia's priority is Hollywood so Helmsley leads by default (although he did try to invade Nitro once, lol), but I'm not going to sell him short. He did his part as both his feuds with The Rattlesnake and The Great One were excellent.

And was a vital part of DX which itself was every bit as important to the Attitude Era as Rock and Austin.

 

[bullets]

Agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing a dvd release with an extended cut.

It did feel like they were going to make a dvd but just condensed it when that was cancelled. I do want to see more of these specials though.

 

[Hunter Rider]

To each his own. I find the OTT nature of wrestling to be much more in my wheelhouse - if anything, I think that having the freedom to watch it as I have time fits my schedule much better. But that also may just be the way we differ in how we consume our entertainment. Another thing driving my disinterest in WWE's product is how much weekly content they actually produce at this point. Even if the shows were good, 3 hours of Raw & 2 hours of Smackdown every week is bordering on overkill.

When you say OTT are you talking about presentation or match style? As I was meaning the type of 8 head drops = 8 kick outs followed by "This is wrestling" chants that pervades through a lot of Indie wrestling. To me that is not good wrestling.

And as for hoping WWE & Reigns fail, I can understand the reasons behind it. I'd just rather spend my time enjoying wrestling, that's all. Even if ROH, NJPW or Lucha Underground can't quite reach the heights WWE could, they do better with what they've already got and I'd much rather support a product like that.

That's the issue for me though, I simply don't care much for those promotions, the few wrestlers left I actually like are in WWE so it's not the same option for me. I don't actually watch any wrestling now, I just like to hear of WWE shows getting crapped on as I feel they deserve it, I've felt that way pretty much since Punk left.

As you've said, it's pretty clear that Vince is going to run his company the way he wants. And that's fine, I'll just choose to ignore his company and stop saying anything at all about it. In this day & age where people can voice their opinion in so many ways, if they just stopped talking about WWE, things would change in a hurry.

I guess I'm having ym cake and eating it then lol, as I stopped watching and still make comments in this thread on the hideous booking that is evident without even watching single frame of WWE television.

I cannot argue your point. Sting and Taker really is the match to be made. I will totally admit that I have a bias too, because even though Taker/Sting is the biggest match to make, I'd hate to see Sting lose his first match at Mania.

I think there are a few reasons for the Sting/HHH match being made.

1) Taker's health and age combined with Sting's. Both men are older and have lingering issues. WWE has no idea what they'll get with the match. I think they want to gauge where both men are at physically and don't want a stinker. HHH can carry Sting to a better match at this point.

2) Like you pointed out, Sting gets a win in his debut, Taker gets a win back. Both men get to wrestle each other on wins in their home state of Texas.

3) I'm just guessing, but I really think WWE wants to familiarize Sting with WWE audience. The audience is so much younger these days with no connection to Sting. Having Sting face HHH gives him a chance build an emotional investment with the audience, given HHH's role as a heel. Sting fighting Taker would likely result in Stinger getting mostly boos. I think atmosphere will be much more intense and split next year.

4) HHH gets to live out his Ric Flair fantasy once again. Facing and getting pinned by Sting will probably be a cool moment for him. And of course he gets a little ego boost from it by being Sting's first opponent and can tell this silly I am the WWE narrative.

I can absolutely see why some fans have no desire to see Sting/HHH. It makes sense and Taker and Sting is the dream match people want to see. But WWE has some good reasons behind it and Sting himself has said he would like to wrestle HHH. Once again, I think WWE is using the wrong narrative to the build, as Taker will always be seen as the WWE, not HHH.

Despite the build, I'm sure the spectacle and match itself will be great. In a lot ways it reminds me of Hogan vs. Rock. The story and build up to the match was wrong, as everyone knows it should have been Austin vs. Hulk, but the Mania moment itself was still great to see and Rock's style probably was better suited to Hulk.

Your 4 points are all accurate, in particular Triple H wanting to add to his Ric Flair fantasy catalog. I think Sting needing that win and getting established with the modern WWE fanbase is smart and Triple H is the only heel they could really do it with given his age and era spanning career, not to mention the fact he can eat the loss and it wont matter.

However it's just a flat out boring match to me, Triple H's sole contribution in the ring over the last decade was putting Bryan over last year, other than that he's been a complete cancer to everyone he's worked with and I find him dull as dishwater. I also don't think the crowd will be like they were with Hulk and Rock, as Hogan was THE ultimate WWE Icon coming home and Rock was the biggest face in the company at the time, it was truly a battle of generations. This is Sting from another era and company vs the 4th main star from an era that ended 15 years ago who barely works as a part timer this year.

This is why this Mania card is arguably the worst ever, there have been worse cards overall but that has been down to the lack of talent on the roster at the time.

This roster is full of great talent but they are all in a cluster**** ladder match while two 55 year olds who wrestle 1 match a year, a 45 year old COO who works about 3 times a year and a rookie vs a 4 times a year guy, hog the main events. Disgusting and disheartening IMO.

The Rise and Fall of WWE
[YT]20s8u_iPm-w[/YT]

This is magnificent

This is brilliant, love the placement of Bryan, Reigns and Punk.

 

[H.U.S.T.L.E.]

When you say OTT are you talking about presentation of match style? As I was meaning the type of 8 head drops = 8 kick outs followed by "This is wrestling" chants that pervades through a lot of Indie wrestling. To me that is not good wrestling.

Ahhh, I completely misunderstood you. Ha.

I thought you meant OTT as the method that many networks are now going towards to deliver content, since people aren't paying for cable as much as they used to. Cutting out the middlemen... basically, exactly what WWE is doing with the Network.

And that's true of lots of wrestling now - you've got companies like ROH & EVOLVE putting their products on iPPV or like ROH putting their weekly TV show on their site. Same with the New Japan World service.

Completely missed the mark on that one... isn't the internet fun sometimes?

 

[PyroChamber]

The Rise and Fall of WWE
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This is magnificent

Jericho's comment sums up Vince to a T.

 

[The Sage]

I am perplexed by the people who think Bryan will pull a Nakamura and elevate the I-C Title. Sure, he COULD do it, but WWE books titles like **** so I highly doubt it'll happen. Say they do a feud with Ambrose and Bryan: like they're gonna be given a chance to have a great story to tell. Them being relegated to the I-C Title shows WWE has nothing for them right now.

Exactly. It's not Bryan having the IC belt will change the way they book. If the last two years of IC champ's booking is any indication, it honestly feels like they're going to use the belt to devalue him even further.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Vince probably went in a rage when he heard those yes chants.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Casual fans love Roman Reigns unfortunately:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igqha_roman-reigns-entrance_sport

I regret not having ear plugs with me that night. The fans were THAT loud from beginning to end for his match in Vegas. Not a single boo.


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How long ago was that? I've only resumed watching WWE since Royal Rumble, where Reigns was heavily booed. Every RAW I've seen since then has had a mixed reaction with the negative side in the majority. While the Shield was indeed popular as a group, I have yet to see even a hint of the universal support that a guy in Reigns position should have. Yet I see it every time Daniel Bryan is introduced.

 

[PyroChamber]

Who's usually the ones cheering Reigns anyway?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Who's usually the ones cheering Reigns anyway?

The Usos, Tamina, his wife, his daughter, The Rock, Rikishi, his parents

 

[Slushy]

How long ago was that? I've only resumed watching WWE since Royal Rumble, where Reigns was heavily booed. Every RAW I've seen since then has had a mixed reaction with the negative side in the majority.

A week before he won the Rumble, but I have some friends who live in non-smark cities who said he was still heavily cheered by the crowd at their house shows following the PPV.

Every RAW I've seen since then has had a mixed reaction with the negative side in the majority.

It's bizarre. I couldn't believe how over he was and my heart sank once I heard it for myself. I knew right then and there that Bryan would not be winning the Royal Rumble.

Who's usually the ones cheering Reigns anyway?

Women and children (sound familiar?), non-Internet fans, anti-smarks, and fans who like hosses.