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The Wrestling Thread will bring legitimacy back to the WWE! - - Part 56

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I saw parts of it, like the tail end of Bubba vs AJ. Bubba's become a good singles' wrestler, which is what I wish WWE had let him be ten years ago. He was always better than D-Von.

I caught Roode's entrance with the security, I thought it was his entourage. The man looks golden. I might have to backtrack to see what he's done as champion.

WWE has its ups and downs. I think Smackdown's best year was 2009. Raw's last best was last summer.

I don't know what to think now.

To be fair, Bubba is much more motivated now than he was when he got his singles push from WWE. He's in the best shape of his career and it shows. His promos have been excellent too. Apparently he's going to get a run at the title some time this year.

Roode is a star, pure in simple. He carries himself better than any heel in the business right now. My only gripe with Roode is that he cheats every time he wins. That's falls on creative though. Roode is awesome.

True WWE does have it's ups and downs, but they've had more downs than ups lately. I think as far as wrestling characters, their talent roster has gotten weaker as well.

I've said it recently but it bears repeating, HHH/Taker/HBK is the end of an era in more ways than you realize.
 
WWE and TNA both have their ups and downs. TNA is better but still not as good as it could be.

Roode had a great build up to BFG but then they dropped the ball. After that things were good with Hogan pretty much gone for a while but now that he's back its hurt the show again. TNA was doing their youth movement but unlike Sting Hogan hogs too much time in his spot.

And really...who gives a crap about this Bischoff family nonsense?

The Guns returning gives me hope for the tag division adn I agree with Superark that Bubba Ray has really stepped up his game.


WWE is about the same overall as it was a few years ago. in some areas its better and in others its worse. The tag division is a bit weaker and the Divas division has almost totally went into the toilet. Every time there's a ray of hope (Kharma, The Hart Dynasty) it never seems to work out.

Their youth movement has had strong and weak momentum. For a while they were on a great path to pushing young talent but in the last year or so some of that momentum has been lost.

Mark Henry had a fantastic monster heel run but sadly it didn't go as far as it could have for various reasons. He and Show actually entertained me. Who would have thunk it? We need more strong heels. Del Rios a joke right now. Roodes dusted him in the last 6 months.

Punk had the hottest angle of the year last summer but Triple H had to stick his big nose in. The COO storyline was a joke. As bad as Hogan running Impact. Since then Punk has done some fantastic work though.

Lesnars return has added an exciting new element.

Both companies need to get more serious about showcasing their young talent better. They did it with Punk and Roode but thats just the beginning. When those two got their shots they delivered. Rhodes and Ziggler need to be elevated in the mid card and main event respectivly. These guys have it. They've both been doing great work. Ziggler just needs some strong material from creative in terms of storyline.

CM PUNK AND BOBBY ROODE: TWO MEN WHO OVERCAME EXTREMELY SHAKY STARTS TO BECOME MUST-SEE WORLD CHAMPIONS

By Stuart Carapola on 2012-04-13 12:48:37

There's good news and bad news for CM Punk and Bobby Roode. The good news is that they've both been the top champion in their respective companies for about the same amount of time, in the 5-6 month range, a time during which they've gotten the chance to prove they deserve the spot and, at least in my opinion, have come through.

The bad news is that, despite holding the top prize available to them, they've both been made to play second fiddle while somebody else headlined a major PPV. In Punk's case, his match with Chris Jericho was the semi-main event of Wrestlemania while Rock and Cena went on last, while Roode's long-awaited rematch with James Storm has to share the spotlight with a Lethal Lockdown match that's built around the feud between Eric Bischoff and his son Garett, who is not even close to having earned his stripes in the business. Regardless, I think both men have done a great job in their role and have been helped by being booked into really strong storylines after fairly shaky starts.

Let's start with Punk, who had been the focal point of what was widely regarded as the best storyline of the year in 2011 when he beat John Cena for the WWE Title on his last night in the company, but returned just weeks later and wound up in what many fans perceived as the doghouse. He lost the WWE Title to Alberto Del Rio and found himself playing the third wheel in a feud between Triple H and Kevin Nash before losing clean to Triple H on PPV, and the impression people got was that he was being punished for daring to get himself more over than he was intended to be.

It was understandable that some people had doubts when Punk defeated Del Rio to regain the WWE Title at Survivor Series in Madison Square Garden, given the way he had been treated since his return. However, Punk has been generally booked well and is now feuding with Chris Jericho in a conflict that's become increasingly personal as time has passed.

I understand why some people would feel uncomfortable with Punk's family and their various personal issues becoming a part of the storyline since I know some of that might hit a little too close to home for some viewers, but my personal belief is that it's made the feud a hell of a lot more interesting than it would have if it was just about Jericho wanting the title and the two of them having a bunch of good matches.

Wrestling draws people in by creating a heel who people hate so much that they'll pay to watch the virtuous babyface destroy them. The problem is that, in 2011, there's so much bad stuff going on in the world and people are so desensitized by violence on TV, in movies, and in video games that, as Bobby Heenan once said, it makes it impossible to get heat by pulling the tights anymore. On top of that, WWE has gone so far out of its way to sanitize their product that there's not one heel on their roster who doesn't look like a bumbling fool, and it's impossible to take them seriously, much less get people to hate them.

So when you have a guy like Jericho show up and start attacking Punk's straight edge identity by talking about his father's alcoholism, his sister's drug issues, and even going so far as to expose him as a bastard to a national audience, it's stuff that goes so far beyond what any other heel in the company has done for years that it stands out and makes fans really hate Jericho and want to see Punk tear him apart.

Punk has also done a great job of selling the effect Jericho's words have had on him, because he's so mad that he doesn't come out and pose, he doesn't high five fans, he comes stalking out to the ring looking like he wants to kill someone and gets disqualified for bashing Mark Henry in the head with foreign objects. Then Jericho takes it a step further and tells Punk that the straight edge lifestyle is a lie because Punk knows deep down that he's an alcoholic just like his father. Then Jericho takes it yet further when he attacks Punk, pours a bottle of Jack on his face, and smashes the bottle on his head.

Of course we just happen to be coming up on Extreme Rules where Punk, who by this point is undoubtedly ready to disembowel Jericho with his bare hands, will finally be able to get his hands on Jericho in a match with a violent enough stipulation to suit his mindset. But the beauty of this angle is that by doing so, he's actually playing right into Jericho's hands because this entire strategy of playing with Punk's head has been designed to make him lose control and ask for a match like this where Jericho will be legally able to do whatever he needs to in order to accomplish the goal he said from the beginning that he came back to accomlish: regain the WWE Title and prove that he's better than the guy he sees as a low rent Chris Jericho knockoff: CM Punk.

The feud between Punk and Jericho is a perfect example of how good booking, characters whose actions make sense, and a slow build can lead to a match where two guys hate each other so much that you damn well need to pay to see what happens when they finally get their hands on each other. It really is booking at its finest, but the same can be said about the feud between Bobby Roode and James Storm, who will meet at this weekend's Lockdown PPV for the TNA World Title.

Like Punk, Roode got off to a very shaky start as champion. Going back to last summer when TNA began the Bound For Glory Series, it became pretty clear early on that Bobby Roode was going to come away the winner. It's been obvious for a long time that TNA has had big plans for him, and it appeared that they were going to finally pull the trigger on Roode and have him win the series, then go on to beat Kurt Angle for the World Title at Bound For Glory.

Roode won the Bound For Glory Series, but after weeks of video packages and a build that made you think there was no way Roode could possibly lose what would be the biggest match of his life, he lost. Sure, Angle had the ropes, but Roode still lost, and the best part was that Roode was told for weeks that he was going to win the title, and was only informed earlier the day of Bound For Glory that he wouldn't after all.

That swerve was enough to make you wonder what TNA was smoking, but the events of the next several weeks afterward totally made everyone's head spin. Roode's longtime partner James Storm wound up challenging Angle on Impact just four days after Bound For Glory and beat him in seconds to win the title everyone thought would be Roode's. Storm gave Roode a shot at the title since Roode had gotten screwed at Bound For Glory, but we got swerved again when Roode broke a beer bottle over Storm's head and pinned him to win the World Title.

We had gotten where we thought we would since Bobby Roode was now the TNA World Champion, but we had taken such a convoluted path to get there that it came off like TNA management was throwing fans the finger for getting too emotionally invested in their product. TNA's fanbase can be very vocal, but that's because they're largely made up of hardcores who have been following the company for years, have watched Storm and Roode slowly work their way up the ranks over the course of a decade, and were really pissed off to watch them get the treatment they did after we've seen so many people in both companies have that happen to them and never recover.

Luckily, this time turned out to be different because since Bound For Glory, TNA's once haphazard, confusing, and repetitive storylines have improved 1000%, and in fact the Roode-Storm feud has been so well done that the match at Lockdown may have been built to better than any match in company history.

Like Punk and Jericho, both men have believable motivations: Roode has seen greatness in himself from day one and always expected to be the World Champion. He played the game with Beer Money and Fortune, but once he had the opportunity to claim the greatness he coveted above all else, he threw away his friendship with Storm without a second thought and never looked back.

Storm, on the other hand, has taken Roode's actions very personally and has never forgotten the betrayal. He thought that Roode was his best friend and a man he could count on to watch his back, and even when they had to face one another in the Bound For Glory Series, Storm always wanted them to walk out of the match still best buddies. He never saw Roode's doublecross coming, and the last six months have been about Storm working his way back to a position where he can challenge his former best friend, in a steel cage, with the biggest prize in TNA on the line.

Aside from the trials and tribulations of Storm and Roode in the Impact Zone, we've spent months watching video packages of both men's friends and families talking about the effect the situation has had on them, including Roode's family talking about how they barely know him anymore because of how much he has changed since winning the title. We've gone deep into both of their lifestyles away from the ring, as Roode is now a suit-wearing corporate sellout, while Storm has stayed true to his roots as a beer drinking redneck who hangs out in bars, listens to country music, and trains in his barn.

Both men have fought through incredible odds to wind up where they are this weekend: Roode has had to deal with an adversarial GM in the form of Sting from the moment he won the title, as Sting sent challenger after challenger after Roode in the hopes of knocking him off. AJ Styles and Jeff Hardy both failed, and finally Sting took it upon himself to get in the ring and try to take Roode out, but he failed as well.

Storm's road was no easier, as he first had to go through Kurt Angle, who attacked Storm out of bitterness over the way Storm beat him for the title, and then Storm had to get past Roode's associate Bully Ray, who thought he should have been the top contender and wanted to mess Storm up badly to prove himself the superior man.

In fact, Bully Ray's involvement has added yet another dimension to the feud, as what started out as subtle hints that Bully Ray secretly wanted to get his hands on his buddy's title progressed to Bully indirectly laying claim to a title shot by going after Storm and saying he shoulde be the #1 contender, and then finally became Bully Ray straight out telling Roode to his face that he wants his title and physically attacking him on more than one occasion. There's a possbility he may become a factor in the title match, but even if he doesn't, whoever does come out of the cage with the title will see Bully Ray looming on the horizon after Lockdown.

Both Punk-Jericho and Storm-Roode have been very well booked storylines, and I can't remember the last time I was this interested in the title programs in both companies at the same time. Neither feud is getting as much of the spotlight as they should, but these are the kinds of feuds that made me a fan of professional wrestling, and it just goes to show that you don't need the power struggles, you don't need farting women, you don't need leprechauns, and you sure as hell don't need the Three Stooges, just give me two guys who want to kill each other and watch me empty my wallet.


http://pwinsider.com/article/67610/...ts-to-become-mustsee-world-champions.html?p=1
 
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kurt must be off his meds again LOL
"I'm going to see how I feel. I don't plan on taking any time off. In pro wrestling, you can work around your injuries and still have a great, awesome match. But this cage match is very dangerous. I am facing Jeff Hardy. He's a high flyer. We're going to do a lot of crazy stuff in this match. I pray to God I don't further injure my injuries anymore. But I am brave enough, and maybe I'm stupid, but I want the fans to say, 'That was the best match I saw all year.' That's hard to say when you have Triple H and Undertaker in a Hell in a Cell match. But Jeff Hardy and I are capable of having just as good of a match as Undertaker and Triple H."
 
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Punk's about to put that Predator in the Anaconda Vice.

Awesome pics.
 
kurt must be off his meds again LOL


I'm betting Hardy/Angle will be a match of the year candidate for sure. I have no doubt those two are going to pull out all the stops.

Now they won't be able to match the emotion and storytelling aspect of the HHH/Taker (let's face, that's all that match was) but as far as being a wrestling match I think Angle/Hardy will blow them out of the water.

I'm personally expecting to like Angle/Hardy more for the simple fact I wasn't crazy about HHH/Taker.
 
The reason I hate the Lockdown PPV so much is because only the Storm vs Roode match warrants a steel cage.
 
I'm betting Hardy/Angle will be a match of the year candidate for sure. I have no doubt those two are going to pull out all the stops.

Now they won't be able to match the emotion and storytelling aspect of the HHH/Taker (let's face, that's all that match was) but as far as being a wrestling match I think Angle/Hardy will blow them out of the water.

I'm personally expecting to like Angle/Hardy more for the simple fact I wasn't crazy about HHH/Taker.

If Angle can even come close to pulling off with Hardy what he did with Ken Anderson I'll be impressed. Never thought I'd be saying Angle vs Anderson was one of the best cage matches I've seen in the last 5 years.

Angle and Hardy will work a different kind of match but hopefully its good.


The reason I hate the Lockdown PPV so much is because only the Storm vs Roode match warrants a steel cage.

I'm not a fan of multiple cage matches on the Lockdown PPV either. They should build the concept around one big cage match instead of several.

Its the same reason I'm not a fan of the HIAC or EC PPV's.
 
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Exactly, I remember seeing an electrified barbed wire match between Funk and Onita where they basically brawled around and teased the wire spot, then after 10 minutes or so Funk went crashing into it and the crowd popped, the fought some more and Onita took a wire spot, then they took it home and the crowd were going crazy, that's how you work one of those matches, as safely as possible making the crazy bump spot matter.

In companies like BJW and CZW it's just a case of seeing how much each guy can take, stuff stuck in their heads, dozens of bumps on glass and barbed wire, and then they work out what sort of stupid elevated super head drop bump they can do to finish, or they get sliced with a weed whacker.
Very true. FMW knew what they were doing when it came to many of their matches. They began to degrade towards the end, if I recall correctly, but for the most part Onita was a king of the deathmatch. Also, just seeing Foley and Funk work in Japan was some great examples of how to tell a story before, during and after a deathmatch.

This is the first match off of an RF Video cassette I bought back in the late 90s of the Best of Cactus Jack in Japan. It's stuck with me to this day.

[YT]_Ly-4ZdWv8g[/YT]

Check out how the crowd reacts.


What a career highlight to have. ****ing idiots. Zandig being the worst of them all.

One thing I did find was the below match, stupid concept aside Mia Yim would be a good addition to the Divas roster and looks like she could work with Kharma.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc-T0AbeKk&feature=relmfu
I keep telling my friend to get with her since they're so close, but he's too damn hesitant. Get your **** together, Valdo! You have a chance!

Yeah, I know Yim, she's in The Embassy in ROH. CZW has definitely had some good talent besides Moxley/Ambrose and I would say Adam Cole is one of them.
CZW had some great wrestling when they had some actual shows that didn't focus on the ******** ultraviolence, but it gets overshadowed more often than not because of all the ******** ultraviolence.
 
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The reason I hate the Lockdown PPV so much is because only the Storm vs Roode match warrants a steel cage.

I do too. It diminishes the importance of the cage match and it also limits the wrestlers in what they can do because you have to take into consideration the way other matches and spots are going to be used with the cage.

I think it was a unique concept, but it hurts the ppv as well.

Cage matches need to be the blowoff to a feud and cap of a heated grudge. This is a problem in wrestling altogether in several gimmick matches. ECW and the attitude era are really to blame for the way these matches are booked today.


If Angle can even come close to pulling off with Hardy what he did with Ken Anderson I'll be impressed. Never thought I'd be saying Angle vs Anderson was one of the best cage matches I've seen in the last 5 years.

Angle and Hardy will work a different kind of match but hopefully its good.




I'm not a fan of multiple cage matches on the Lockdown PPV either. They should build the concept around one big cage match instead of several.

Its the same reason I'm not a fan of the HIAC or EC PPV's.

While I'm looking forward to Hardy/Angle because I know they are going to do what they can to steal the show, I'm also legitimately worried about Angle's health in that match. I keep waiting for the day he botches a spot off that cage and nearly kills himself. That man is crazy
 
I'm not a fan of multiple cage matches on the Lockdown PPV either. They should build the concept around one big cage match instead of several.

Its the same reason I'm not a fan of the HIAC or EC PPV's.
> Yep not a fan of EC or HIAC PPV's either. I'm also not a fan of having two MITB holders, but thankfully that has been scrapped.
 
> Yep not a fan of EC or HIAC PPV's either. I'm also not a fan of having two MITB holders, but thankfully that has been scrapped.

Wait, so there is only going to be one MITB match at this years ppv? Thank goodness. That makes it more interesting.
 
Wait, so there is only going to be one MITB match at this years ppv? Thank goodness. That makes it more interesting.

The PPV itself is dead and the new plan reportedly is to hold MITB at SummerSlam.
 
That backyard stuff is sickening and while Mick in his time has taken part in some ****ed up ****, he's more or less taken measured risks.

But that backyard crap.....there's nothing measured about it, Mick shouldn't feel that he inspired that horse****, and no-one should be implying that he did, work or not.
 
Jericho is implying that Punk's sister is a drug addict and that Punk is a bastard child. Heels say scandalous things and make absurd accusations all the time.
 
Yeah but I've heard a few people say (and not necessarily here) that Ambrose has a point. He doesn't, it's heel absurdity. Simple as.
 
Ambrose doesn't have a point really but Ambrose is being the crazy yet entertaining wackjob heel that he is.
 
He certainly seems entertaining from what I've seen alright. They're going to have to get his debut down to perfection though, he needs someone big to feud with in order to get his character over effectively.

Foley would be ideal, but if that falls through, Ambrose's first feud needs to be with someone of equal standing to Foley. I don't think it'd suit his character to start from the bottom up in terms of the roster.
 
How many people besides us actually watch both TNA and WWE?

I was able to find the full episode on youtube and watched it at work (haha yes I work so hard). It was a very good Impact, Wedding and Bischoff stuff aside, along with the illogical segment between Roode/Storm. Aries/Daniels was a lot of fun! Aries is awesome!

Metallo is the only one I know for sure watches both.

I just finished watching the last episode.

I skipped the opening promo and the Kenderson/Gunner match but watched Aries/Daniels as despite not rating Daniels I think Aries is the 4th best guy TNA has, and their match was pretty good.

The MCMG's promo segment with Joe & Magnus was solid but they really rushing into that match, I mean the guns have only had one match, how can they possibly be #1 contenders. :huh:

Jeff Hardy's promo was short and to the point but I hate the stupidity of this storyline and I don't like his matches with Angle.

The wedding was as tacky and pointless as expected but it's undeniable how over EY and ODB are in Orlando, at least Rosita and Sarita looked hot and you were spot on about Taz's call lol.

The angle with Abyss' "brother" has grown tiresome, I mean it's the same thing every week, are we supposed to believe he couldn't have seen everyone in one day and can only manage to ask one pers a week?

The Knockouts tag match was ok.

AJ vs Bully was the best match on the show for my money, they work really well together and it must be gauling to all those seasoned guys in Lethal Lockdown to know they are playing support to a kid who's so green he needs to keep his distance from lawn mowers.

I actually liked the promo showdown with Roode and Storm, it wasn't up there with some of the best WWE promos in this mould over the last year or so but it was strong, however I thought Roode's "We were never friends" thing made no sense and I agree it should have ended in a big brawl.

Yeah, I know Yim, she's in The Embassy in ROH. CZW has definitely had some good talent besides Moxley/Ambrose and I would say Adam Cole is one of them.

She's not all that old either so hopefully WWE take notice of her, or maybe even TNA who will actually let her wrestle properly. The bit I have seen of Cole looks promising, although he may be too small for WWE.


Very true. FMW knew what they were doing when it came to many of their matches. They began to degrade towards the end, if I recall correctly, but for the most part Onita was a king of the deathmatch. Also, just seeing Foley and Funk work in Japan was some great examples of how to tell a story before, during and after a deathmatch.

Those guys were like gruesome artists, they created mini wars of attrition in their deathmatches, they built drama and tension around the crazier aspects of the match, it's all but lost these days, replaced by the kind of insanity that sees a guy of 26 retired with a broken back and scars all over.

This is the first match off of an RF Video cassette I bought back in the late 90s of the Best of Cactus Jack in Japan. It's stuck with me to this day.

[YT]_Ly-4ZdWv8g[/YT]

Check out how the crowd reacts.

Funny enough I just downloaded that very match off Youtube last night, it's a prime example of the art of the deathmatch.

What a career highlight to have. ****ing idiots. Zandig being the worst of them all.

Zandig is probably one of thw worst things to ever happen to wrestling and he allowed Mondo to go back out and work another match the same night he'd severed that aritery in his back.

I keep telling my friend to get with her since they're so close, but he's too damn hesitant. Get your **** together, Valdo! You have a chance!

Is this your friend who works on the indie circuit?
 
I wish Jeff Hardy would come back to WWE, honestly. He'd instantly be #3 face, IMO. Its never gonna happen, though.
 
To be fair, Bubba is much more motivated now than he was when he got his singles push from WWE. He's in the best shape of his career and it shows. His promos have been excellent too. Apparently he's going to get a run at the title some time this year.

Roode is a star, pure in simple. He carries himself better than any heel in the business right now. My only gripe with Roode is that he cheats every time he wins. That's falls on creative though. Roode is awesome.

True WWE does have it's ups and downs, but they've had more downs than ups lately. I think as far as wrestling characters, their talent roster has gotten weaker as well.

I've said it recently but it bears repeating, HHH/Taker/HBK is the end of an era in more ways than you realize.

Yeah, and it's WWE's fault. HHH/Taker/HBK are the last of their kind.They came up at a time when wrestlers used to travel the world or go from wrestling federation to federation, honing their craft. Guys weren't just popping out of WWE development farmhouses.

The booking was better. Guys got the chance to show their skills. Each were given proper time to shine. There's no shaky ground or questions about whether these guys are big names or main-eventers. Belts weren't just hotshotted on people like they are now.

It is definitely the end of an era. I've said this before: CM Punk feels like he came out of there era, like he was in wrestling a few years too late.

Throw Jericho's name in there as part of the last breed. It really hit me a couple of days ago when I was rewatching Edge when he announced his retirement last year.
 
Gerweck.net

Kurt Angle announced via his official Twitter feed that he has dropped out of the USA Wrestling Olympic trials due to hamstring and knee injuries.
His tweets read (@RealKurtAngle):
“Due to Hamstring@Knee Injuries, I’m forced to Pull Out of trials.Had a talk W/ Usa Wrestling Coach Zeke Jones Who has Supported Me all Year”
“I trained Extremely hard for a full Year. I’m Very Disappointed. I want to thank All the fans for Ur Support. U Motivated Me.”
“I Must focus On TNA and Lockdown Ppv, Which Has Always Been My 1st Priority. I Hope to Be Able to Put On the Best Performance I Can.”
“TNA Has Supported My Olympic Dream Since the Day I Approached Dixie Carter about My Quest for Gold! Thank You. I injured My MCL in My Knee”
“The Doctors Say It’s a partial tear which will take 4-6 Months w/ rehab. I Will have It Heavily Protected at Lockdown.”
“I’ve Had Prior Knee Injuries More Serious than this @ Still Won Ncaa’s but I Must Put My Job in Tna 1st. Again, thank You all for Us Support”
“Ur Support. Your Prayers and Support Have motivated Me to Put On the Best Performance I Can at Lockdown, Considering My injuries.”


Still feel this was all BS and was going to end this way no matter what his health is.

Gerweck.net again.

WWE hall of famer Tammy “Sunny” Sytch was booked for this weekend’s Wrestle Reunion event in Toronto, but she has backed out claiming to be dealing with personal issues. According to the promoter of the event, Sytch is dealing with drug and alcohol addition, and was unable to gain clearance to enter Canada.

Damn shame if she's back to being F'ed up again. Seemed like she did a lot to clean herself up.
 
Those guys were like gruesome artists, they created mini wars of attrition in their deathmatches, they built drama and tension around the crazier aspects of the match, it's all but lost these days, replaced by the kind of insanity that sees a guy of 26 retired with a broken back and scars all over.

It's ridiculous the damage they put themselves through for a pathetically short career for such a small, albeit rabid, fanbase. Hell, I've almost walked out on matches that were nowhere near as graphic as these as I thought they went too far. Don't even get me started on New Jack.

Side note, a comic I did of New Jack.

http://nexusdx.deviantart.com/art/I-HEARD-MY-NAME-*****-244874653

Funny enough I just downloaded that very match off Youtube last night, it's a prime example of the art of the deathmatch.
You can't get better than this if you ask me. Even better than their IWA Deathmatch finale.

Zandig is probably one of thw worst things to ever happen to wrestling and he allowed Mondo to go back out and work another match the same night he'd severed that aritery in his back.
Zandig, Ian Rotten, ****tards that promoted and encouraged this and taking some potentially good wrestlers and reducing them to walking scar tissue.

Is this your friend who works on the indie circuit?
By indie circuit you mean training and occasionally reffing local, small time gigs, then yes, yes I do. He's training under Prince Nana, so he spends a LOT of time with him and Mia, especially after ROH shows. He's become their gopher, and has become pretty close to Mia (I believe her name is Stephanie). He could be closer if he tried, dammit.
 
Brock Lesnar does revive interest in the product.
 
Yeah, and it's WWE's fault. HHH/Taker/HBK are the last of their kind.They came up at a time when wrestlers used to travel the world or go from wrestling federation to federation, honing their craft. Guys weren't just popping out of WWE development farmhouses.

The booking was better. Guys got the chance to show their skills. Each were given proper time to shine. There's no shaky ground or questions about whether these guys are big names or main-eventers. Belts weren't just hotshotted on people like they are now.

It is definitely the end of an era. I've said this before: CM Punk feels like he came out of there era, like he was in wrestling a few years too late.

Throw Jericho's name in there as part of the last breed. It really hit me a couple of days ago when I was rewatching Edge when he announced his retirement last year.

While we will never be able to recapture that era and the seasoning that comes from traversing territories, we might get an updated version of that with a lot of recent indy pickups. While not the same as territory hopping, indy wrestling and wrestlers have developed over time, and could bring a new era of seasoned wrestlers into the WWE (once they drop some dead weight finally and bring up those that are ready).

Daniel Bryan, like CM Punk, is a good example of this. Traveling all across America, Mexico, Canada, UK, Japan, etc., honing his craft to be one of the best wrestlers in the world, and recognized as such by many fans.

The only problem I have with being seasoned in the indies is that many wrestlers don't need to talk, so many of them don't even try and don't get the necessary skills to compliment their in ring talent. Davey Richards, great in the ring, to me sounds like **** on the mic.
 
While we will never be able to recapture that era and the seasoning that comes from traversing territories, we might get an updated version of that with a lot of recent indy pickups. While not the same as territory hopping, indy wrestling and wrestlers have developed over time, and could bring a new era of seasoned wrestlers into the WWE (once they drop some dead weight finally and bring up those that are ready).

Daniel Bryan, like CM Punk, is a good example of this. Traveling all across America, Mexico, Canada, UK, Japan, etc., honing his craft to be one of the best wrestlers in the world, and recognized as such by many fans.

The only problem I have with being seasoned in the indies is that many wrestlers don't need to talk, so many of them don't even try and don't get the necessary skills to compliment their in ring talent. Davey Richards, great in the ring, to me sounds like **** on the mic.

The other problem with wrestling in the indies is the moveset mentality: the more moves you pump in a match, the better. Which is wrong. Some take that too seriously, to the point where it gets ridiculous and over the top. You've seen your fair share I'm sure.

Last year, I had went to DGUSA. It was a fun show, but main-event was ridiculous, with one guy getting hit with knees to the back in the corner, the backstabber, and then a flip into a double stomp, all in one combination. Not only does the guy kick out, but he's back on his feet hitting a spin kick. Crowd's cheering like crazy, but I was like "Oh come on."

Daniel Bryan and CM Punk are good examples as you've said. They're well rounded workers and know all about storytelling.

AJ Styles is another guy who's become well-rounded. He wrestles smarter last time I saw, and he's a decent promo guy.

Joe too, I think.
 
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