The Wrestling Thread: Woo woo woo, you know it!

[Nemi]

What can The Rock really do at Wrestlemania? If he does come out and rock bottom Cena maybe even hit the peoples elbow is that a ''Wrestlemania moment''? Will it have been worth all the hype?

 

[NickSox]

Like I said I'm not looking to change anyone's opinion. When someone responds to my posts why don't you assume they are trying to change mine? I don't have a right to respond with my opinion? On a discussion board we discuss things don't we?

I wasn't trying to call anyone out, all three of you have just kinda been running in circles with it. Oh well, I'd been out of watching wrestling for a few years and have just recently started DVRing and fast forwarding through alot of Raw. Just seems like they waste so much talent. Miz is no saviour but I feel at least they tried to bring something new to the table, albeit crappily. Here's to hoping they pick it up in the future!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Like I said I'm not looking to change anyone's opinion. When someone responds to my posts why don't you assume they are trying to change mine? I don't have a right to respond with my opinion? On a discussion board we discuss things don't we?

Because whenever I talk about liking the Miz, and why, the responses from you and HR are always "how could you possibly think that? What does he do well? How is he better than the guys that came before him?"

I answered the question. I've told you a thousand times why I love The Miz, and why he's my current favorite in the company, but the response is always "he's average in the ring and doesn't 'tick any boxes' like those that came before him"

Well he ticks boxes for me and I don't CARE about "average in the ring" like you do.

With the people in real life I watch wrestling with, and talk wrestling with, nobody sits around talking about how great of a match technician he is, or how well he tells a story in the ring, or how credible someone looks going against their opponent. That's why I say I cannot fathom how y'all "smarks" watch wrestling, cuz it takes all the fun out of it.

I feel like I went into a comic book store and gave the wrong superhero as my favorite comic, then got a lecture from the old shop owner about how there's no way so and so could ever beat Batman in a fight, because Batman is x, y, and z better than everyone else.

Okay, that's nice. But I don't like that comic. I like this one.

That's fine if y'all don't want Miz in the main event, I don't want Ziggler in the main event. But everytime I express an opinion different than the norm (I.E. The Miz is a good main event champion), I get lectured about how so and so isn't as good as the people that came before him, or doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. Okay. Cool. You don't like him. I do.

 

[Metallo]

What can The Rock really do at Wrestlemania? If he does come out and rock bottom Cena maybe even hit the peoples elbow is that a ''Wrestlemania moment''? Will it have been worth all the hype?

It'll probably be pretty predictable. Like you said theres only so much he can do with the way things are set up. A staredown with Cena might be pretty interesting for foreshadowing to what might happen later and Rock could give the Miz the rub.

The biggest thing is what his actions will mean for his future in WWE. If it leads to a match down the road that would be more interesting.

 

[Nightmare]

OMG!!!!

Sin Cara In Action at House Show Vs Primo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ioxx4j8Un8s

That flip from the top rope

His Finisher

 

[Nightmare]

It'll probably be pretty predictable. Like you said theres only so much he can do with the way things are set up. A staredown with Cena might be pretty interesting for foreshadowing to what might happen later and Rock could give the Miz the rub.

The biggest thing is what his actions will mean for his future in WWE. If it leads to a match down the road that would be more interesting.

Something happens, to where Cena and Rock go fist to fist, back and forth. An all out brawl! That's what we all want!!!

 

[Metallo]

Something happens, to where Cena and Rock go fist to fist, back and forth. An all out brawl! That's what we all want!!!

I think thats what a lot of people want to see and are expecting but thats almost too predictable. I don't think it'll go that far during Mania but hopefully something happens that leads to one more Rock match down the road.

I wasn't trying to call anyone out, all three of you have just kinda been running in circles with it. Oh well, I'd been out of watching wrestling for a few years and have just recently started DVRing and fast forwarding through alot of Raw. Just seems like they waste so much talent. Miz is no saviour but I feel at least they tried to bring something new to the table, albeit crappily. Here's to hoping they pick it up in the future!

If we all had the same opinion on everything the world would get pretty boring. Hunter Rider and I have disagreed before but We aren't ever trying to "convince" each other of anything. Like he said its an exchange of ideas. I always have fun doing that and even if we disagree its a pleasure to talk wrestling with him.

Like he said it takes two to tango.

Because whenever I talk about liking the Miz, and why, the responses from you and HR are always "how could you possibly think that? What does he do well? How is he better than the guys that came before him?"

I think thats all in your head. Along with your usual "you guys can call me this and that" when nobody here has EVER said anything like that about you. Like HR said its like you try to stir it up by making insinuations like that.

By I have a right to disagree and state MY feelings on a subject the same as you do.

I answered the question. I've told you a thousand times why I love The Miz, and why he's my current favorite in the company, but the response is always "he's average in the ring and doesn't 'tick any boxes' like those that came before him"

Thats fine. And I can say why I think he sucks right now. Your point?

Well he ticks boxes for me and I don't CARE about "average in the ring" like you do.

With the people in real life I watch wrestling with, and talk wrestling with, nobody sits around talking about how great of a match technician he is, or how well he tells a story in the ring, or how credible someone looks going against their opponent. That's why I say I cannot fathom how y'all "smarks" watch wrestling, cuz it takes all the fun out of it.

The fact that you are on here talking about the same sh** with us makes you just as much a "smark." And you talk about people saying stuff about you but you want to tag us with labels?

Most of us talk about the same stuff other people enjoy...but whats wrong with talking about other things that have to do with wrestling? People can talk about whatever they want to talk about.

I feel like I went into a comic book store and gave the wrong superhero as my favorite comic, then got a lecture from the old shop owner about how there's no way so and so could ever beat Batman in a fight, because Batman is x, y, and z better than everyone else.

Okay, that's nice. But I don't like that comic. I like this one.

Tangent...skewing off into...

That's fine if y'all don't want Miz in the main event, I don't want Ziggler in the main event. But everytime I express an opinion different than the norm (I.E. The Miz is a good main event champion), I get lectured about how so and so isn't as good as the people that came before him, or doesn't do this, or doesn't do that. Okay. Cool. You don't like him. I do.

Uh...who is lecturing you? We're stating our opinions. The same way you state yours whenever you specifically respond to one of my posts. And yet I don't think I'm being lectured even though you feel this need to disagree with anything I say. Thats your right.

 

[The Sage]

Source: The Wrestling Observer

It's being reported that The Rock's return to WWE thus far has worked out much better than both sides ever expected it to. As we first reported in an exclusive you can read if you CLICK HERE, WWE is already anticipating Rock vs John Cena, and it looks as if The Miz will be involved in the mix as well.

While WWE is keeping a very tight lid on what future plans The Rock has with the company, it's being said that The Rock has enjoyed his WWE return so much that he is indeed open to working a few more matches with the company. If Cena vs Rock does not take place first, then the feeling is that Rock vs Miz will be The Rock's first bout, with Cena vs Rock happening at a later date.

As far as Sheamus is concerned, early 'Mania plans called for The Bella Twins to be in his corner and Gail Kim to be in the corner of Daniel Bryan for their match, however it appears as if that idea has been scratched.

WWE originally had planned for The Corre to face Big Show, Kane, Christian and Kofi Kingston in a tag team match at Wrestlemania, but at this time it looks as if Christian will be involved in the World Title match instead. One idea being discussed is to have Christian in Edge's corner for his match against Alberto Del Rio, only to turn on Edge and cost him the title. This would set up three-way matches after Wrestlemania.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/updated-wmania-plans-for-the-rock-corre-sheamus-more-127267

 

[Nemi]

It'll probably be pretty predictable. Like you said theres only so much he can do with the way things are set up. A staredown with Cena might be pretty interesting for foreshadowing to what might happen later and Rock could give the Miz the rub.

The biggest thing is what his actions will mean for his future in WWE. If it leads to a match down the road that would be more interesting.

I hope it does lead to a match and that all this hype hasn't just been for a few moments in the ring.

This at the very least needs to lead to some change in Cena. Maybe not a heel turn but some kind of change or development in his character. He keeps going on and on about how he's always here and The Rock isn't but the fans are still on The Rocks side. It took him seconds to have the arena cheering ''cena sucks''.

 

[The Sage]

I hope it does lead to a match and that all this hype hasn't just been for a few moments in the ring.

This at the very least needs to lead to some change in Cena. Maybe not a heel turn but some kind of change or development in his character. He keeps going on and on about how he's always here and The Rock isn't but the fans are still on The Rocks side. It took him seconds to have the arena cheering ''cena sucks''.

Indeed. Whenever Cena has a serious challenger, his Superman act gets toned down and becomes more serious. Edge, HBK, Batista, Umaga...all brought out other sides to him. It's another reason why the Cena/Miz feud isn't working, IMO.

 

[BlackLantern]

Miz or Ziggler can die tomorrow and the landscape of wrestling would not miss them

harsh yes, but its Mania season

 

[Nemi]

Indeed. Whenever Cena has a serious challenger, his Superman act gets toned down and becomes more serious. Edge, HBK, Batista, Umaga...all brought out other sides to him. It's another reason why the Cena/Miz feud isn't working, IMO.

Very true, and while Miz is running around trying to get people to take him serious I feel like Cena wants people to like him. Every now and then he'll acknowledge that there are a lot of fans that don't like him (mostly anyone above 14 that's a guy) and it does seem to be something that bothers him. Everyone being on The Rocks side could be something that eats at him and possibly makes him give up on the fans.

 

[The Sage]

Miz or Ziggler can die tomorrow and the landscape of wrestling would not miss them

harsh yes, but its Mania season

You really could say the same about Del Rio, or anyone who has yet to make a dent in the business.

 

[Heretic]

Yeah the problem is the Miz. Nobody has been built up well enough this year but people HAVE been built up better...and people ARE better talents than him

The night Punk raised his fist and took over Nexus it looked like a FAR more interesting feud was brewing with Punk/Cena instead of Cena/Miz.

Punk LOOKED like a credible challenger to Cena early on. More so than the Miz has.

Is the Miz a better ALL AROUND TALENT than CM Punk? If the answer is Yes then you're right. If its No then the Miz is part of the problem. Its not just booking but Miz's own natural talents besides his mic work.

Punk can cut a great heel promo without a groan inducing, uninspired, catchphrase like The Miz. And I'll take the GTS or Anaconda Vice over whatever the hell that awful finisher The Miz uses is.

No one is as good as Punk...so under your concept everyone in WWE is part of the problem. No, Miz is not as good as Punk...neither is Cena, Edge or Del Rio. Punk is a rare talent, and WWE has done a terrible job of getting guys up to that kind of level.

Besides...The Rock is the centerpiece here...Punk makes no sense being involved with The Rock. The Miz, meanwhile, has crossover appeal and non wrestling fans know who he is. His personality clashes with The Rocks perfectly, whereas Punk...I'm not sure what he'd have against The Rock. Yes, The Miz seems like a kid wishing he was as good as The Rock...but THAT IS HIS GIMMICK. His whole persona is based around a guy who thinks he's a star, thinks he's the best, but clearly is in over his head. One day, they'll have a storyline where he is humbled, and he'll turn face, and truly earn the main event spot. At the moment though, that isnt what WWE wants, and it isnt what the storyline calls for.

 

[Metallo]

You really could say the same about Del Rio, or anyone who has yet to make a dent in the business.

The only wrestlers under 40 WWE would REALLY miss right now are Cena and Orton. Maybe Punk because they need a talented guy to job to other top stars and help them look better.

Almost everyone else is replaceable in WWE's eyes.

I'd miss Ziggler because they need good in ring workers right now but Miz? Punk can do everything Miz can do but better.

 

[Zanham]

I think the big question in regard to 'Miz' right now is whether or not he can maintain his swagger and remain in the Heavyweight Championship picture once he loses it?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Predictions on WWE Releases

- The Uso's
- Tamina
- Primo (the face of a rapist on SVR 2011)
- Zack Ryder (unfortunately)
- Trent Barreta
- Curt Hawkins
- JTG
- Tyler Reks
- Kaitlyn
- Rosa Mendes
- Tyson Kidd

Also a few developmental prospects.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think the big question in regard to 'Miz' is whether or not he can maintain his swagger and remain in the Heavyweight Championship picture once he loses it?

Doubtful.

 

[Heretic]

Punk can do everything Miz can do but better.

Except that Punk can't feud with everyone in the fed at all times.

At Wrestlemania, top stars are spread around the card to give every match a bigtime feel. Punk is fighting Randy freaking Orton...that is NOT a demotion or slight to Punk at all. Heck, the main event is the Taker match...maybe Punk should wrestle Taker...or taker AND Cena. Heck, why let Del Rio have a match when Punk is around? And Punk vs Rey would be better than Cody. Punk would really bring some talent to that Snookie match too.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

For all you UK fans, what time does Raw start tonight?

 

[Zanham]

Source: The Wrestling Observer

It's being reported that The Rock's return to WWE thus far has worked out much better than both sides ever expected it to. As we first reported in an exclusive you can read if you CLICK HERE, WWE is already anticipating Rock vs John Cena, and it looks as if The Miz will be involved in the mix as well.

While WWE is keeping a very tight lid on what future plans The Rock has with the company, it's being said that The Rock has enjoyed his WWE return so much that he is indeed open to working a few more matches with the company. If Cena vs Rock does not take place first, then the feeling is that Rock vs Miz will be The Rock's first bout, with Cena vs Rock happening at a later date.

As far as Sheamus is concerned, early 'Mania plans called for The Bella Twins to be in his corner and Gail Kim to be in the corner of Daniel Bryan for their match, however it appears as if that idea has been scratched.

WWE originally had planned for The Corre to face Big Show, Kane, Christian and Kofi Kingston in a tag team match at Wrestlemania, but at this time it looks as if Christian will be involved in the World Title match instead. One idea being discussed is to have Christian in Edge's corner for his match against Alberto Del Rio, only to turn on Edge and cost him the title. This would set up three-way matches after Wrestlemania.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/updated-wmania-plans-for-the-rock-corre-sheamus-more-127267

Hmmmmm.

So since 'The Rock' is the Guest Host of Wrestlemania and IF he is revealed to be the Anonymous GM, which I expect will happen, then couldn't he pretty much add himself to the Cena vs. Miz match?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Hmmmmm.

So since 'The Rock' is the Guest Host of Wrestlemania and IF he is revealed to be the Anonymous GM, which I expect will happen, then couldn't he pretty much add himself to the Cena vs. Miz match?

If he's the Anonymous GM, how is he going to explain all of the power Michael Cole has as the voice of the GM?

It's why I think the GM will be Michael Cole.

 

[Metallo]

No one is as good as Punk...so under your concept everyone in WWE is part of the problem. No, Miz is not as good as Punk...neither is Cena, Edge or Del Rio. Punk is a rare talent, and WWE has done a terrible job of getting guys up to that kind of level.

Most of the other top guys aren't heels going against Cena though...Miz is. They are in the possible main event for the WWE title. Not everyone else. And Cena IS the top dog in the company and the most popular and at least looks credible in that role. My concept isn't the problem because Punk was the guy who looked like be was heading into a feud with Cena, the top guy, months ago...then they switched everything up and had Miz feuding with Cena going into Mania.

Besides...The Rock is the centerpiece here...Punk makes no sense being involved with The Rock. The Miz, meanwhile, has crossover appeal and non wrestling fans know who he is. His personality clashes with The Rocks perfectly, whereas Punk...I'm not sure what he'd have against The Rock.

He has that crossover appeal ...despite the fact that ratings have DROPPED most of the time when he was onscreen on Raw as champion. You talk like Miz was a HUGE star before WWE. He wasn't. His crossover appeal aint that big.

So...Miz's personality clashes perfectly with the Rock? I remember Austin being a perfect fit against the Rock and he looked a lot more credible. The Rock played off Kevin Kelly and The Coach well and those guys usually ended up being the Rock's b**ch. If you mean The Miz clashes perfectly with the Rock that way then yeah I agree. The Miz is the perfect guy to be made fun of.

Punk could make as much sense working with The Rock as Miz could. The angle could EASILY revolve around Punk criticizing The Rocks arrogant obsession with fame and the spotlight. When the Rock appeared on a taped segment for The tenth anniversary of Smackdown who was the one heel he mentioned? Punk.

Yes, The Miz seems like a kid wishing he was as good as The Rock...but THAT IS HIS GIMMICK. His whole persona is based around a guy who thinks he's a star, thinks he's the best, but clearly is in over his head.

His gimmick blows then. And just makes him look less credible as champion going into Wrestlemania...which is ridiculous because that just devalues the title. The fact that that is his gimmick is why some people don't take him seriously

One day, they'll have a storyline where he is humbled, and he'll turn face, and truly earn the main event spot. At the moment though, that isnt what WWE wants, and it isnt what the storyline calls for.

Maybe...maybe not. Nobody can really say for sure. WWE has dropped the ball on other talents and with the way Vince can't seem to consistently push anyone I don't think anyone can say for sure what the miz WILL be.

Except that Punk can't feud with everyone in the fed at all times.

At Wrestlemania, top stars are spread around the card to give every match a bigtime feel. Punk is fighting Randy freaking Orton...that is NOT a demotion or slight to Punk at all. Heck, the main event is the Taker match...maybe Punk should wrestle Taker...or taker AND Cena. Heck, why let Del Rio have a match when Punk is around? And Punk vs Rey would be better than Cody. Punk would really bring some talent to that Snookie match too.

Never said he had to feud with everyone...but he's a better talent than Miz and someone like that should be facing the top guy to give us our moneys worth.
Miz can't feud with everyone either. I'm talking LONG TERM. WWE has plenty of heels in the pipeline. And The one thing Miz can do well Punk can do and more. Over a period of time Punk CAN feud with a lot of guys.

If WWE wants us to shell out 60 bucks for Wrestlemania why shouldn't they give us the best ? And the main event is usually the most hyped match?

Most of those matches you talked about where the talent is spread around DON'T have a big time feel. And as important as Orton is in WWE he's not John Cena. Who is the TOP star in WWE? Cena or Orton? I'd say it is a demotion of sorts. Punk's not fighting Cena or fighting for the title. He's in a feud with Orton that has been mishandled in many areas.

Most of those other matches aren't for the WWE title though. Besides Cena vs Punk for the WWE title could have been a great match.

 

[The Sage]

I think the big question in regard to 'Miz' right now is whether or not he can maintain his swagger and remain in the Heavyweight Championship picture once he loses it?

Probably not, the way guys are booked now. Just about everyone dips down to the midcard or upper midcard.

 

[Nemi]

Hmmmmm.

So since 'The Rock' is the Guest Host of Wrestlemania and IF he is revealed to be the Anonymous GM, which I expect will happen, then couldn't he pretty much add himself to the Cena vs. Miz match?

The GM sent an email while The Rock was doing his promo when he returned. Though i wouldn't be suprised if WWE ignored that bit of continuity.