The WWE Universe Doesn't Know That There's A Wrestling Thread - Part 28

[Metallo]

What were the OTL numbers?

The estimate at the time was 65,000 domestic buys.

 

[BlackLantern]

jeezus thats bad

 

[Metallo]

Did some digging and the domestic buyrate for MITB 2011 may be about 132,000. That seems like a huge difference in buys to me.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

OTL did do bad but it didn't do as bad as your saying. 140k is bad but it's not the 65,000 your saying. Also Extreme Rules had increases of both 30k. So since Punk had the hotter angle shouldn't he have also brought the buys up at least 30k. He only did 20k.

 

[bullets]

the pricetags on these ppv's are outrageous. If some of them were 20.00 then I'd probably be less hesitant.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Im tripping. I meant to say Capital Punishment only did a little worse than MITB.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

OTL did 65,000 in the states but did 140k overall.

 

[Metallo]

Apparently if I'm reading this right (I may not be) Extreme Rules may be including some data for the UK that isn't included in the MITB 2011 buyrate data. So this idea that ER did so much better MAY be somewhat skewed.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Hmm, I just read that MITB was free in the UK. So I guess that impacted buyrates also. Didn't know that. So I guess MITB did a very good domestic number.

 

[Metallo]

OTL did do bad but it didn't do as bad as your saying. 140k is bad but it's not the 65,000 your saying. Also Extreme Rules had increases of both 30k. So since Punk had the hotter angle shouldn't he have also brought the buys up at least 30k. He only did 20k.

I only said DOMESTIC buys. I pointed that out remember. I never said anything about international. is the 140,000 the worldwide buys or what? Thats why I asked you!

Punk had a hot angle and the buyrate DID go up. You're splitting hairs by saying it should have done this instead of that. It went up when most ppv's have been trending DOWN. Thats better than most PPV's. You do realize we are in a weak economy right now so whos to say what people are going to be spending on depending on whats going on.

I also said according to Dave Meltzer there may be some statistical data missing when comparing the MITB vs ER buyrates that skews things unfairly in ER's favor.

Maybe you should wait until al the final data comes out before you say for sure what happened with which ppv since MITB is the newest estimate.

 

[BlackLantern]

if someone would be nice enough to list the numbers from January up to now

this says MITB 2011 did well..but not as well as originally thought

http://mobile.cagesideseats.com/2011/8/26/2385755/money-in-the-bank-does-265000-buys

 

[TX85]

How's the ratings on Raw since MITB when Punk has matches or promos?

 

[Wheels]

Yeah I mean I know it was free in the UK but I expected a better buyrate. I'm going to enjoy Punk's push while it lasts.

Yeah......

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

I only said DOMESTIC buys. I pointed that out remember. I never said anything about international. is the 140,000 the worldwide buys or what? Thats why I asked you!

Punk had a hot angle and the buyrate DID go up. You're splitting hairs by saying it should have done this instead of that. It went up when most ppv's have been trending DOWN. Thats better than most PPV's. You do realize we are in a weak economy right now so whos to say what people are going to be spending on depending on whats going on.

I also said according to Dave Meltzer there may be some statistical data missing when comparing the MITB vs ER buyrates that skews things unfairly in ER's favor.

Maybe you should wait until al the final data comes out before you say for sure what happened with which ppv since MITB is the newest estimate.

I didn't know that MITB wasn't available in the UK so that did effect buyrates. I wasn't splitting hairs at all. I though MITB was available in the uk so that included those buys as well. Also yes, were in a weak economy but when people want to order something they'll buy it. Also Many of us in this thread were expecting a much higher buyrate than that even in the states. If im feeling that way I know Vince is also. We'll see how the Summerslam results are. They'll be telling of how Punk is doing as draw. Can he be a Cena type draw or a Orton type draw.

 

[Metallo]

Im tripping. I meant to say Capital Punishment only did a little worse than MITB.

Hmm, I just read that MITB was free in the UK. So I guess that impacted buyrates also. Didn't know that. So I guess MITB did a very good domestic number.

So I guess now some people can finally get off this kick of trying to say Punk didn't pull it off. He saw a higher ppv number than normal even when part of the market didn't even have to pay for the PPV.

And the Mizcarder did the worst buys since December to Dismember at OTL.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

He also drew a very high buyrate with Extreme Rules.

 

[Metallo]

He also drew a very high buyrate with Extreme Rules.

A month that has always drawn anyway because it deals with the Wrestlemania fallout. Thats why Backlash always did better than some other B ppv's.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

His Buyrate did much better than year before though. You wanna keep saying that but the ppv still went up. That ppv might have always drawn but him in the mainevent drew better than the year before. You keep saying he did the worse buys in five years well give him some ****ing credit here then.

 

[Metallo]

His Buyrate did much better than year before though. You wanna keep saying that but the ppv still went up. You keep saying he did the worse buys in five years well give him some ****ing credit here then.

That whole period did better than last year. Interest was up because of the lead in and post Wrestlemania period. I'd attribute a LOT of that to the Rock for getting people more interested. Then it slowly fell off again. You say give him credit well once the Rock effect died down Miz couldn't keep people buying. Not all his fault but he didn't help either.

 

[BlackLantern]

How's the ratings on Raw since MITB when Punk has matches or promos?

not enough to be noticeable....there have been upticks since Punk has been thrust into the main event, but its not anything that is drawing NEW viewers on a steady basis

I think if he legit left the WWE for say 3-4 weeks, did some appearances, and aired some of the WWEs dirty laundry....THAT would have gotten people interested

 

[Metallo]

I didn't know that MITB wasn't available in the UK so that did effect buyrates. I wasn't splitting hairs at all. I though MITB was available in the uk so that included those buys as well. Also yes, were in a weak economy but when people want to order something they'll buy it. Also Many of us in this thread were expecting a much higher buyrate than that even in the states. If im feeling that way I know Vince is also. We'll see how the Summerslam results are. They'll be telling of how Punk is doing as draw. Can he be a Cena type draw or a Orton type draw.

An increase in an increase and thats CERTAINLY better than a decrease or drawing the same don't you think? Especially after other PPV's have seen significant drops.

People can't ALWAYS afford to buy something when they really want it. Considering Punks MITB saw an increase right now its impressive. Especially since as you say the UK didn't even pay for it. That makes it more impressive.

As for Summerslam it depends on how the two champions angle was bought. I have a feeling the buyrate will be down but who knows. A lot of people could have felt Cena was going to win and not bothered or that Punk wouldn't be walking out of the PPV as champ...which he didn't.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

That whole period did better than last year. Interest was up because of the lead in and post Wrestlemania period. I'd attribute a LOT of that to the Rock for getting people more interested. Then it slowly fell off again. You say give him credit well once the Rock effect died down Miz couldn't keep people buying. Not all his fault but he didn't help either.

The Rock left the night after WM. He wasn't advertised at all for Extreme Rules. The Miz and John Cena came off a very bad main event at WM28. We were in a bad economy. People had streams. Yadda yadda. So shouldn't the buyrate went down? They were interested in the ****ing Rock so shouldn't have buyrates went down or at least not went way like they did? Interest may have been up but that doesnt mean people are shell out money unless they wanna watch. The Miz in the main event got the buy rate to go higher. Your not gonna give him credit cause you hate him. Whatever but him helping out a buyrate is no different from Punk but yet your praising Punk but discounting The Miz.

 

[BlackLantern]

anytime the Rock shows up, people are gonna tune in

 

[Metallo]

not enough to be noticeable....there have been upticks since Punk has been thrust into the main event, but its not anything that is drawing NEW viewers on a steady basis

I think if he legit left the WWE for say 3-4 weeks, did some appearances, and aired some of the WWEs dirty laundry....THAT would have gotten people interested

I think they rushed the angle instead of letting it properly simmer. That may also affect the numbers down the line.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

An increase in an increase and thats CERTAINLY better than a decrease or drawing the same don't you think? Especially after other PPV's have seen significant drops.

People can't ALWAYS afford to buy something when they really want it. Considering Punks MITB saw an increase right now its impressive. Especially since as you say the UK didn't even pay for it. That makes it more impressive.

As for Summerslam it depends on how the two champions angle was bought. I have a feeling the buyrate will be down but who knows. A lot of people could have felt Cena was going to win and not bothered or that Punk wouldn't be walking out of the PPV as champ...which he didn't.

Your saying all this yet your discounting the miz?