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Perhaps the source of the new "mutations" is intelligent design. With special thanks to author Robert J. Sawyer, here is a possible theory for the mutations:

More than ninety percent of human DNA is referred to as junk DNA: repetitive, nonsense sequences that don't code for protein synthesis (that's why they're assumed to be junk - the key job of DNA is to produce specific proteins). Many believe that the junk is presumably just deactivated leftovers from earlier stages in our evolution. The truth is junk DNA reveals not just our genetic past, but also our genetic future. That is, the junk DNA contains a blueprint not just of what we currently are and how we got there, but also of what we will eventually become - genetic destiny writ large.

Although junk DNA does indeed contains discarded instructions from earlier stages in our evolutionary history, the "junk" also plays an important role in ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny (the phenomenon by which human embryos briefly grow gills, a tail, and other reminders of our evolutionary past).

There exist a second layer of information on top of the traditional C,G,A,T base-pair DNA coding: the additional layer of information is related to the presence or absence of a methyl group, CH[sub-3], attached to the base cytosine (the "C" in C,G,A,T).

Although a well-known phenomenon, "cytosine methylation" is traditionally ignored in mapping DNA. But the methylation state is preserved in DNA reproduction, meaning it is faithfully copied from generation to generation - and therefore could code significant additional information into the DNA. The sequence of attached methyl groups inside the long strings of supposedly junk DNA form meaningful patterns. The binary pattern of presence or absence of methyl groups forms a complex algorithm for invoking what geneticists call "frameshift mutations".

Frameshifts occur when a nucleotide (e.g. one containing the base T) is unexpectedly added to or deleted from a DNA string. When that happens, the rest of the string is shifted along, causing the nucleotide triplets (which are the "words" of the genetic language) to be shuffled. So, if you take out the first "T" from a DNA string reading C-T-A-G-T-C-G, then instead of having the first two nucleotide triplets being C-T-A and G-T-C, they become C-A-G and T-C-G - a completely different genetic message. Although such frameshift mutations were previously thought to be random (and almost always detrimental), they can be invoked by natural processes, when RNA transcribes the "junk" DNA [RNA transcription is a key part of the procedure used to replicate DNA].

The kind of frameshift mutations that are caused by RNA transcription of "junk" DNA can only happen in females (they are negated by the presence of a Y chromosome), and only early on, when the female's lifetime supply of egg cells is being produced.

The DNA in mitochondria (which is not part of chromosomes, and is inherited solely from the mother) provides a checksum for random frameshift mutations. Mitochondria are small organelles within cells that contain their own DNA - DNA that is unrelated to normal heredity. A checksum is a simple mathematical procedure for verifying the integrity of a lengthy string of data - such as the genetic information coded in chromosomes.

If a frameshift occurs by accident (due to a random addition or loss of a base pair), the checksum sees to it that the DNA in the female's egg cells is corrected, so that the error in coding won't be passed on to the next generation. Only if the frameshift is invoked during RNA transcription of "junk" DNA does it get passed on to the egg cells.

Cells have a built-in mechanism to correct for random frameshifts, but still allow certain special frameshifts to be passed on. Those mutations had been waiting to be activated, the characteristics they coded for had been pre-programmed into the DNA.

The cytosine methylation encodes a kind of counter that increments very slowly - on the order of tens of thousands of years. The frameshift mutations and the evolutionary changes they cause were timed to occur throughout the ages.

Standard evolution is periodically assailed because of the lack of fossil evidence for missing links - intermediate stages halfway between one species and the next. To explain this away, paleontologists Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould pushed a model of "punctuated equilibrium," in which environmental upheavals destabilize populations, and allow the offspring of only a handful of individuals with a mutant characteristic to rapidly become the new dominant form. But the theory of punctuated equilibrium has a big hole in it: it requires all members of the new species to be descended from a very few members of the previous species - meaning the entire new species arises from a very tiny gene pool. But tiny gene pools are recipes for disaster, as the inbreeding of royal families proves. However, with timed frameshifts occurring almost simultaneously in millions of members of a species, new species can arise safely without the dangerous narrowing of the gene pool.

The timed-frameshift proves the "multi-regional" model of human evolution, which contends that Homo sapiens emerged simultaneously in Africa and Asia, and Europe.

The frameshift coding doesn't just preserve a record of all that we have been. It also contains a blueprint for all that we are yet to become - all of humanity's future.

Frameshifting can occur accidentally through random mutations, but the checksum within the mitochondrial DNA ensures that when a premature frameshift occurs the mutation is eliminated in the next generation. This means that although there are no dynasties of evolutionary superior humans, occasionally, for a single generation, some will appear, giving us a sneak peek at a future pre-programmed evolutionary step for humanity.

And our so-called "heroes" are just those sort of individuals.
 
Good theory, but if that were the case, all of the "heroes" would have the same mutations.
 
The Question said:
Good theory, but if that were the case, all of the "heroes" would have the same mutations.

Maybe all of their powers are actually manifestations of the same power, simply expressed differently. Perhaps it's a psionic manipulation of reality on some level.
 
Perhaps. Although, I think a simple reworking of your theory would work. What if, instead of having the blueprints for everything we will become, the "junk DNA" has the blueprints for everything we might become. Every evolutionary possiblity instead of sinmply what will happen no matter what. So, each of the "Heroes" are simply a glimps at a different possible future.
 
Sounds feasable. I like it. A lot more than the standard, "Experimented at birth" theory
 
It's the food! All the gentetics tickering and radiation stuff finally done it ;)
 
Morg said:
It's the food! All the gentetics tickering and radiation stuff finally done it ;)
good one morg:ninja:
 
Here's the theory "improved":

More than ninety percent of human DNA is referred to as junk DNA: repetitive, nonsense sequences that don't code for protein synthesis (that's why they're assumed to be junk - the key job of DNA is to produce specific proteins). Many believe that the junk is presumably just deactivated leftovers from earlier stages in our evolution. The truth is junk DNA reveals not just our genetic past, but also our genetic future. That is, the junk DNA contains a blueprint not just of what we currently are and how we got there, but also of what we will eventually become - genetic destiny writ large.

Both RNA and DNA are composed of molecular building blocks called nucleotides, which are made of one nitrogenous base plus a phosphate molecule and a sugar molecule. DNA consists of four different nucleotides: cytosine, guanine, adenine, and thymine; (abbriviated C, G, A, and T, respectively). Due to their structure, A and G are known as purines, while C and T are called pyrimidines. Individual DNA strings typically consist of many thousands of these nucleotides. DNA exists as a double strand, where each nucleotide binds to a complementary nucleotide on the opposite strand. A always binds to T, and C always binds to G. Every three nucleotides constitute what is known as a codon, and each codon codes for a particular amino acid according to the genetic code.

There exist a second layer of information on top of the traditional C,G,A,T base-pair DNA coding: the additional layer of information is related to the presence or absence of a methyl group, CH[sub-3], attached to the base cytosine (the "C" in C,G,A,T). This well-known phenomenon is called "cytosine methylation" and is traditionally ignored in mapping DNA.

But the methylation state is preserved in DNA reproduction, meaning it is faithfully copied from generation to generation - and therefore could code significant additional information into the DNA. The sequence of attached methyl groups inside the long strings of supposedly junk DNA form meaningful patterns. The binary pattern of presence or absence of methyl groups forms a complex algorithm for invoking what geneticists call "frameshift mutations".

Frameshifts occur when a nucleotide (e.g. one containing the base T) is unexpectedly added to or deleted from a DNA string. When that happens, the rest of the string is shifted along, causing the codons (which are the "words" of the genetic language) downstream of where the insertion or deletion occurs to be shuffled. This may be of little consequence if it's near the end of a DNA string, or of great consequence if it's near the beginning. So, if you take out the first "T" from a DNA string reading C-T-A-G-T-C-G, then instead of having the first two codons being C-T-A and G-T-C, they become C-A-G and T-C-G - a completely different genetic message. Although such frameshift mutations were previously thought to be random (and almost always detrimental), they can be invoked by natural processes, when RNA transcribes the "junk" DNA and therefore endowing a person with a pre-programmed evolutionary improvement. RNA transcription is a key part of the procedure used to replicate DNA.

The DNA in mitochondria (which is not part of chromosomes, and is inherited solely from the mother) provides a checksum for random frameshift mutations. Mitochondria are small organelles within cells that contain their own DNA - DNA that is unrelated to normal heredity. A checksum is a simple mathematical procedure for verifying the integrity of a lengthy string of data - such as the genetic information coded in chromosomes.

If a frameshift occurs by accident (due to a random addition or loss of a base pair), the checksum sees to it that the DNA in the female's egg cells is corrected, so that the error in coding won't be passed on to the next generation. Only if the frameshift is invoked during RNA transcription of junk DNA does it get passed on to the egg cells. Cells have a built-in mechanism to correct for random frameshifts, but still allow certain special frameshifts to be passed on. Those mutations had been waiting to be activated, the characteristics they coded for had been pre-programmed into the DNA.

The cytosine methylation encodes a kind of counter that increments very slowly - on the order of tens of thousands of years. The frameshift mutations and the evolutionary changes they cause were timed to occur throughout the ages.

In the fossil record there is a notable lack of fossil evidence for missing links - intermediate stages halfway between one species and the next. This is because the evolutionary process is characterized by long periods with little or no change interspersed with short periods of rapid speciation. Evolution occurs in huge and sudden jumps rather than in a steady process of slow change.

Environmental upheavals destabilize populations, and allow the offspring of only a handful of individuals with a mutant characteristic to rapidly become the new dominant form. This means all members of a new species are descended from a very few members of the previous species - the entire new species arises from a very tiny gene pool. Although normally tiny gene pools are recipes for disaster, with timed frameshifts occurring almost simultaneously in millions of members of a species, new species can arise safely without the dangerous narrowing of the gene pool.

The timed-frameshift proves the multiregional model of human evolution, which contends that Homo sapiens emerged simultaneously in Africa and Asia, and Europe.

The frameshift coding doesn't just preserve a record of all that we have been. It also contains a blueprint for all that we are yet to become - all of humanity's future.

Frameshifting can occur accidentally through random mutations, but the checksum within the mitochondrial DNA ensures that when a premature frameshift occurs the mutation is eliminated in the next generation. This means that although there are no dynasties of evolutionary superior humans, occasionally, for a single generation, some will appear, giving us a sneak peek at a future pre-programmed evolutionary step for humanity.

And our so-called "heroes" are just those sort of individuals.
 
Again, I really don't think that our every evolutionary characteristic is pre-programed into our DNA. Mainly because Humanity didn't spring up all over the world at the same time. Humans sprung up in one area and then migrated all over the world. Besides, preprogramed leaps wouldn't account for random changes in the environment.
 
The Question said:
Humanity didn't spring up all over the world at the same time. Humans sprung up in one area and then migrated all over the world.

Yeah, that's the common theory. However, there is the Multiregional Hypothesis of evolution.
 
True. Still, with the various differences in powers, I think it would make more sense if what was happening to them was showing possible futures for humanity's evolution, not definite ones.
 
i was interested until i realized the post was more than 2 paragraphs. my super power is ADD
 
Perhaps the source of the new "mutations" is rapid and sudden subspeciation via human endogenous retroviruses. With special thanks to author Greg Bear, here is a possible theory for the mutations:

Scattered throughout the supposedly "junk" (unused) portion of our DNA are HERVs (Human Endogenous Retroviruses). Endogenous retroviruses are RNA-based viruses that integrate their genetic material into the host's DNA, becoming part of the host's genome. Endogenous retroviruses exist in various forms in nearly all living things. Human Endogenous Retroviruses are the genetic fossils of ancient diseases, viruses that have entered into human DNA and persisted there in a dormant state for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years.

Within the human genome are many "mobile" genes that can copy themselves and transport other genes from one position to another. These are called transposons, or retrotransposons, and they may play a huge role in organizing and regulating our genome. Retroviruses bear a distinct resemblance to retrotransposons.

The specific HERV that causes human evolution contains information gathered from previous mutations of species on what is a beneficial mutation, and can express itself, if under stress. The so-called "Heroes" are the result of a programmed reshuffling of genes induced by a transfer of coded genetic signals. Their characteristics are largely determined by a kind of "meta-evolutionary" response.

A genome is capable of reacting to the outside environment through our immune system and stress hormones and chemicals. Endogenous retroviruses and mobile genes are frequently activated by stress hormones. The immune system acts as a kind of radar, informing the genome about environmental changes-and in the "Heroes", the stress of changing social conditions determines the changes. A "library" of records of past adaptations is used to "judge" new phenotypic proposals within the genome. Possible variations are selected and edited extensively based on evidence culled from the environment by the immune system. The retrovirus creates a phenotype more suited to handle the perceived stress in the environment. In a sense, the genome is making an "educated guess" based on past evolutionary experience, giving the new variety of humans a better statistical chance to succeed by mixing and matching and even expanding upon varieties of past traits.

The decision within a species to produce a new type of organism, or subtly modify aspects of an old one, is made using genomic rules which are similar to the rules that also allow clusters of neurons, including brains, to solve problems that confront organisms in the environment.

Simply put, when a certain threshold degree of stress in a species is detected by a genome, that genome dials through its library of possibilities for enhancement, punches in a selection, and releases one of these viral junk DNA segments to make the adjustment.

The released DNA segments produce proteins in large volumes of slightly different molecular design to ensure success and avoid immunological destruction.

This same retrovirus infected homo habilis in the distant past. It created homo sapiens in a single generation, a new fitter species more capable of surviving the stressful life of the cave man. Now it is happening again.
 
soooo, ummmm I assume you are a science major.
 
Docker said:
soooo, ummmm I assume you are a science major.

Actually no. This scenario comes form Greg Bear's novel Darwin's Radio. I'm simply using it as an explanation for the "Heroes". The real credit is with Mr. Bear.
 
^ i wanted to read that, but im sure i would not understand a dam thing
 
Crev-3 said:
Perhaps the source of the new "mutations" is rapid and sudden subspeciation via human endogenous retroviruses. With special thanks to author Greg Bear, here is a possible theory for the mutations:

Scattered throughout the supposedly "junk" (unused) portion of our DNA are HERVs (Human Endogenous Retroviruses). Endogenous retroviruses are RNA-based viruses that integrate their genetic material into the host's DNA, becoming part of the host's genome. Endogenous retroviruses exist in various forms in nearly all living things. Human Endogenous Retroviruses are the genetic fossils of ancient diseases, viruses that have entered into human DNA and persisted there in a dormant state for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years.

Within the human genome are many "mobile" genes that can copy themselves and transport other genes from one position to another. These are called transposons, or retrotransposons, and they may play a huge role in organizing and regulating our genome. Retroviruses bear a distinct resemblance to retrotransposons.

The specific HERV that causes human evolution contains information gathered from previous mutations of species on what is a beneficial mutation, and can express itself, if under stress. The so-called "Heroes" are the result of a programmed reshuffling of genes induced by a transfer of coded genetic signals. Their characteristics are largely determined by a kind of "meta-evolutionary" response.

A genome is capable of reacting to the outside environment through our immune system and stress hormones and chemicals. Endogenous retroviruses and mobile genes are frequently activated by stress hormones. The immune system acts as a kind of radar, informing the genome about environmental changes-and in the "Heroes", the stress of changing social conditions determines the changes. A "library" of records of past adaptations is used to "judge" new phenotypic proposals within the genome. Possible variations are selected and edited extensively based on evidence culled from the environment by the immune system. The retrovirus creates a phenotype more suited to handle the perceived stress in the environment. In a sense, the genome is making an "educated guess" based on past evolutionary experience, giving the new variety of humans a better statistical chance to succeed by mixing and matching and even expanding upon varieties of past traits.

The decision within a species to produce a new type of organism, or subtly modify aspects of an old one, is made using genomic rules which are similar to the rules that also allow clusters of neurons, including brains, to solve problems that confront organisms in the environment.

Simply put, when a certain threshold degree of stress in a species is detected by a genome, that genome dials through its library of possibilities for enhancement, punches in a selection, and releases one of these viral junk DNA segments to make the adjustment.

The released DNA segments produce proteins in large volumes of slightly different molecular design to ensure success and avoid immunological destruction.

This same retrovirus infected homo habilis in the distant past. It created homo sapiens in a single generation, a new fitter species more capable of surviving the stressful life of the cave man. Now it is happening again.
If that isn't just psuedoscience then...Oh my God, that is freakin cool!!! I wouldn't suspect mutation to occure like that, awsomeo :up:
 
This is an addendum to the HERV theory:

Normally the genomes of individuals become part of an extensive, species-scale neural network that causes a species-wide mutation of a homogenous evolutionary adaptation. However, the Heroes have certain genetic sequences that creates the production of a specific stress hormone that causes the HERV to be activated in a way that brings forth an "individual evolution" and therefore a relatively unique mutation for each person.
 
*merges* Could had added this in the orginal thread
 
Could the eclipse have anything to do with their powers awakening ?
 
X-Ray said:
Could the eclipse have anything to do with their powers awakening ?
i think it did
otherwise it'd be too wierd with supers poping up all of a sudden:ninja: :hyper:
 

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