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I was just watching the credits of Batman Begins and I noticed the following:

Flass... Mark Boone Junior
Loeb... Colin McFarlane
Victor Zsaz... Tim Booth
Barbara Gordon... Ilyssa Fradin

I must have missed them. Obviously they had small parts in the movie, probably nothing more than just little cameos here and there.
The guy in the orange jumpsuit with the knife who threatens Rachel Dawes and the little kid must be Zsaz.

Anyone know where in the movie these chars appear? I'm also wondering if "Barbara" in the movie was Gordon's wife (Year One) or his niece/daughter (aka "Batgirl 1", "Oracle")?

Too bad they couldn't have been given bigger roles in the film.
 
facsmth said:
I was just watching the credits of Batman Begins and I noticed the following:

Flass... Mark Boone Junior
Loeb... Colin McFarlane
Victor Zsaz... Tim Booth
Barbara Gordon... Ilyssa Fradin

I must have missed them. Obviously they had small parts in the movie, probably nothing more than just little cameos here and there.
The guy in the orange jumpsuit with the knife who threatens Rachel Dawes and the little kid must be Zsaz.

Anyone know where in the movie these chars appear? I'm also wondering if "Barbara" in the movie was Gordon's wife (Year One) or his niece/daughter (aka "Batgirl 1", "Oracle")?

Too bad they couldn't have been given bigger roles in the film.

No that's Gordon wife (Year One)
 
Oh well... looking back on BB, I have to say there were quite a few faults with the movie I didn't quite like. (I got the Deluxe Edition... strangely enough atleast one of the reviews on Amazon points out there being some comics include in the package; reprints on paper. When I got the DVD at Walmart, no such luck. I wonder if this an Amazon-exclusive deal or the reviewer was refering to some OTHER edition of the DVD.)
I didn't like the Bruce Wayne-posing-as-a-thief part, but I heard a rumor that this part on the movie was based off an Alan Moore (?) story "The Man Who Falls."

It was very odd how Ras Al Ghul said Gotham was the source of evil... maybe he routinely suggests some arbitrary place to each initiate to see if they are loyal enough to go after their own home town?

It was pretty unnecessary to have Katie Holmes in the movie... must every woman in a Batman flick find out his secret?

The Scarecrow mask was pathetic... although I liked the horse breathing fire which he rode on.

The Batman fight scenes were so badly photographed. And Nolan suggests he did this ON PURPOSE. Honestly, they go well out of their way to promote some special martial art they were using for the movie but then rob us of a chance to even view it in use properly.

The young Bruce Wayne falling into the batcave... it was well-done, but didn't we already see this event happen in Batman Forever? (Although I can't recall the circumstances of that earlier movie.)

Did Bale really have to make his Batman-voice so... um... I don't know... it was just a bit too... open-mouthed, hoarse, somewhat shouting. Hm... just a bit too insane.

The Wayne manor being burned down... but that news article was quite funny.

Oh great! First Daredevil does it, now Batman does it! (Chooses not to save a life he could have.) And this fight was probably one of the sillest fights-in-(or on)-a-train I have seen yet. Oh well, atleast Batman didn't leave a big, burning Batsymbol to advertise his compliance with the char's death.

Ras Al Ghul's immortality isn't even broached in the movie itself, but his bio in the special features mentions how he uses Lazarus Pits.

And a question in general: every time we have a movie based on a comic book, is there a rule that the villlain's orgin story, evil deeds, and death must happen within one movie? It would be nice to have a film that just takes for granted that you already know the char's backstory and just launched into showing something in the middle of their career.
 
Not in the mood to reply in spoilers, so I deactivated them. Spoiler Warning, though

facsmth said:
Oh well... looking back on BB, I have to say there were quite a few faults with the movie I didn't quite like. (I got the Deluxe Edition... strangely enough atleast one of the reviews on Amazon points out there being some comics include in the package; reprints on paper. When I got the DVD at Walmart, no such luck. I wonder if this an Amazon-exclusive deal or the reviewer was refering to some OTHER edition of the DVD.)

I didn't like the Bruce Wayne-posing-as-a-thief part, but I heard a rumor that this part on the movie was based off an Alan Moore (?) story "The Man Who Falls."

Firstly, that was a Denny O'Neill story. I don't believe the thief part was in it though.

It was very odd how Ras Al Ghul said Gotham was the source of evil... maybe he routinely suggests some arbitrary place to each initiate to see if they are loyal enough to go after their own home town?

Ra's didn't say it was the source of all evil, he just said Gotham had grown decadent (sp?) and in his mind that means evil. He also said He did the same (pretty much) to ROme and London

It was pretty unnecessary to have Katie Holmes in the movie... must every woman in a Batman flick find out his secret?

Eh, kinda agree. She did well with her role, for the most part, but was outshone by the Oscar Caliber cast. I found it somewhat neccessary that she found out the dual identity, though, as she helped mold him into the Batman.

The Scarecrow mask was pathetic... although I liked the horse breathing fire which he rode on.

Different Strokes

The Batman fight scenes were so badly photographed. And Nolan suggests he did this ON PURPOSE. Honestly, they go well out of their way to promote some special martial art they were using for the movie but then rob us of a chance to even view it in use properly.

It was Nolan's first movies where action was involved. The intent was for the audience to feel like Batman was attacking them. Good intent, bad execution

The young Bruce Wayne falling into the batcave... it was well-done, but didn't we already see this event happen in Batman Forever? (Although I can't recall the circumstances of that earlier movie.)

Happened in the comics.

Did Bale really have to make his Batman-voice so... um... I don't know... it was just a bit too... open-mouthed, hoarse, somewhat shouting. Hm... just a bit too insane.

The intent was for him to sound animalistic, which he succeeded in, IMO. I understand why some don't like it, though

The Wayne manor being burned down... but that news article was quite funny.

Could go either way. Depends on the sequels execution of the plot.


Oh great! First Daredevil does it, now Batman does it! (Chooses not to save a life he could have.) And this fight was probably one of the sillest fights-in-(or on)-a-train I have seen yet. Oh well, atleast Batman didn't leave a big, burning Batsymbol to advertise his compliance with the char's death.

I agree there, on the killing. I quite enjoyed Bats vs. Ra's, actually.

Ras Al Ghul's immortality isn't even broached in the movie itself, but his bio in the special features mentions how he uses Lazarus Pits.

"But is Ra's Al Ghul immortal? Are his methods supernatural?"

And a question in general: every time we have a movie based on a comic book, is there a rule that the villlain's orgin story, evil deeds, and death must happen within one movie? It would be nice to have a film that just takes for granted that you already know the char's backstory and just launched into showing something in the middle of their career.

I don't quite follow you there...we only got a glimpse of Ra's origin, and none for Scarecrow or Falcone.

There ya go
 
Thanks for the input. In a way, I must have enjoyed the Fantastic Four movie more since I've got only two gripes:
1.)
Ben Grimm shouldn't have been allowed to revert back to human form. Not even temporarily.

2.) It wasn't necessary for Dr. Doom to be on the same ship as the Fantastic Four. Having not read the comics, I don't know where he is supposed to get his abilities. But if I remember correctly, he had magnetic abilities in the film just like Magneto does in the X-Men ones.

Um, I also sort of didn't like the way Human Torch would continually insult Thing. I'm sure it's in the comics, but the stuff he was used was just too darn juvenile for me to find it amusing.
calling him "wide load." But it was funny when he asked where Thing's ears were.

Any way... I'm sure I would have thought of more problems with FF if had the DVD handy to watch it again... but I somehow doubt I'll buy it or rent it.
 
I got the Deluxe Edition... strangely enough atleast one of the reviews on Amazon points out there being some comics include in the package; reprints on paper. When I got the DVD at Walmart, no such luck. I wonder if this an Amazon-exclusive deal or the reviewer was refering to some OTHER edition of the DVD.
Yes, there was a limited edition version of the two disc set, with a fancy slipcase and the comic adaptation of the movie in with it... Unfortunately, that was only available at Best Buy.
 
no, that two disc set was available everywhere, the best buy one just had different cover art...I got mine from wal-mart cause the best buy cover art sucked :o
 
btw, to the thread creator, if you missed Loeb and Flass, you must not have been paying any attention, because Flass had a fairly big role (the fat cop who's Gordons partner, Batman interrogates him, and he's on the island at the end) and Loeb had 2 fairly large speaking scenes (telling young bruce that his parents killer was caught, and telling everyone he wants batman brought in) and was in several other places (the bridge at the end)...Barbra was his wife, who was in the kitchen in the scene when Batman was in the tree, and Zsasz was the hitman Crane got declared insane in his first scene, and was on the island at the end, also seen in Arkham during the breakout scene
 
Flass... Mark Boone Junior
Loeb... Colin McFarlane
Victor Zsaz... Tim Booth
Barbara Gordon... Ilyssa Fradin'

all of those parts were completely noticable in the movie, i noticed them the first time i saw it...
 
I got this DVD:
"Two-Disc Deluxe Edition
Batman Begins."​

It has a picture of Bale in the batsuit, from the tips of the bat ears to just below shoulder level. From below that, he desolves in a swarm of bats.

Not really impressive. I really would like to have the comic adaptions... I'm pretty sure doing some research I found out that particulair compilation isn't sold separately.

What does the Best Buy version look like?
 
facsmth said:
I got this DVD:
"Two-Disc Deluxe Edition
Batman Begins."​

It has a picture of Bale in the batsuit, from the tips of the bat ears to just below shoulder level. From below that, he desolves in a swarm of bats.

Not really impressive. I really would like to have the comic adaptions... I'm pretty sure doing some research I found out that particulair compilation isn't sold separately.

What does the Best Buy version look like?

that's the right version, but the mini-comic was limited edition with it...the best buy version looks like it, except it has a hologram cover where if you move it, bale disappears and it's just bats...looks pretty ******ed as well...all that was in the comic was The Man Who Falls and I think a few pages from the first issue of Year One
 
The Special Editiuon I got at K-mart had thew comic, it was only about a month after i got it I heard they stopped including it in the package. It had the stories of "The Man Who Fell",as well as the first Batman story ever, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate.", and a chapter from "The Long Halloween."
 
The Joker said:
btw, to the thread creator, if you missed Loeb and Flass, you must not have been paying any attention, because Flass had a fairly big role (the fat cop who's Gordons partner, Batman interrogates him, and he's on the island at the end) and Loeb had 2 fairly large speaking scenes (telling young bruce that his parents killer was caught, and telling everyone he wants batman brought in) and was in several other places (the bridge at the end)...Barbra was his wife, who was in the kitchen in the scene when Batman was in the tree, and Zsasz was the hitman Crane got declared insane in his first scene, and was on the island at the end, also seen in Arkham during the breakout scene
Exactly. If someone missed Barbara Gordon, I could understand, she's only in it for a glimpse. But Flass, Loeb and Zsasz are all mentioned by name and have pretty substantial parts (Zsasz, admittedly, being the least, he doesn't have lines but he's featured prominently in several scenes)...
 
Another cool easter egg I saw in the film was that during the Bruce birthday party at Wayne Manor, Ra's decoy is wearing a traditional green coat with big collar similiar to that of the Ra's al Ghul from the comics. :up:
 
I LOVED the Wayne Mansion burning down. It played into the idea of the Wayne legacy being more than bricks and mortar, it played brilliantly into the idea that down the line we're going to see alterations in the building.

And if you liked Fantastic Four more than Batman Begins... well... I'm very, very sorry:(
 
I enjoyed the fight scenes. I felt they served the purpose of making Batman into a wraith, and putting you in the pov of his eneimies.

Batman didn't kill Ra's.

And those parts in the film?

Yeah.....they were easy to notice. Rachel calls Zasz by name in court, Loeb's name is mentioned too, We see Jimbo at home with baby James and his wife (Babs).

And Flass was a part of the story. He was more than a cameo.
 

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